Casey files for-Indigency; Defense reveals how much it's been paid!

[Bittiness39]

Well Cm is retired...and likely already made his moolah. The defense, such as it is/was, before CM came on the scene was under budget to depose witnesses. However, in light of your topic, I will simply say the defense blew all of that money (at the time, before CM) on cheesy puffs. I have no idea what would constitute the spending of all of that money if the defense has not even deposed peeps. What gives? good topic.

 

[logicalgirl]

I understand CM is retired, but what I don't get is his motive..why join a case that requires so much more hard work than the average case (I'm assuming, as it seems to be that way) and so much time..for nothing? What is he gaining from this? I've speculated it's the thrill, or the love of a challenge, even the publicity..but I personally think all that alone is not enough "pay" for the time and effort involved.

For Baez? Sure! He hardly puts in enough effort as it is, and he has no clout IMO so this is perfect for him.

CM is planning on writing a book on his memoirs? With the Anthony trial as his last big trial?

 

[Gma Kat]

I understand CM is retired, but what I don't get is his motive..why join a case that requires so much more hard work than the average case (I'm assuming, as it seems to be that way) and so much time..for nothing? What is he gaining from this? I've speculated it's the thrill, or the love of a challenge, even the publicity..but I personally think all that alone is not enough "pay" for the time and effort involved.

For Baez? Sure! He hardly puts in enough effort as it is, and he has no clout IMO so this is perfect for him.

BBM: I personally think this is a rich old attorney who was salivating over this case from afar until he couldn't take it anymore and in his own words "thought it would be fun"......you know, some retired folks take up woodworking, well CM took up KC as his hobby post-retirement.....perhaps he should have taken a cue from one of many professional athletes who come out of retirement only to leave us with the memory of a washed up has-been instead of the sports hero we idolized....I could be wrong...he could surprise us and get KC acquitted.....

 

[MyTinkieGirl]

True. He just sure looks like he's aggravated, lol. But can't his prior statements indicating he may have thought KC was guilty disqualify him from this case? Or does it not matter what a lawyer thinks - only the judge/jury?

Hmmm...IMO, that might be a great question for our legal experts....Although, I suppose, if nothing else, it just looks somewhat "transparent"...or hypocritical on his part.
It's a perfect expose'/"memory jogger" type of story for someone like Kathi Belich or one of the media consulting lawyers to get into, just IMO.

 

[Muzikman]

I don't think that the Media ever posted the JAC Post-Hearing Memorandum filed on 3/19/2010. Here it is, worth a quick read:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/36596270/03192010-JAC-Post-Hearing-Memorandum

In part:
4. In light of the sUbstantial amounts raised for the Defendant's defense, JAC
objects to a finding of indigency in this matter absent a showing that the $275,000.00
was expended in a reasonable and rational manner. In JAC's experience with court-
appointed death cases, $275,000 should have been adequate to fund both a
reasonable fee for the private attorneys and cover at least a substantial portion of the the
due process costs particularly in light of the current posture of the case.
5. Per the information provided in the motion and at hearing, this case is still largely
in the fact gathering stage in that depositions have not been conducted of the various
state witnesses. For the defense to have utilized the entire $275,000 while this case is
still in the investigatory stage seems unusual.
6. Considering that the money was raised during the course of this proceeding, the
funds should have been dedicated to the Defendant's defense. As part of the Court's
review, the Court should verify that none of the funds were transferred to third parties .
such as family, friends, or other persons or institutions.

 

[ZsaZsa]

True. He just sure looks like he's aggravated, lol. But can't his prior statements indicating he may have thought KC was guilty disqualify him from this case? Or does it not matter what a lawyer thinks - only the judge/jury?

His prior statements as to her guilt are not being mentioned at present, but when it comes time for her to claim indadequate representation, I am sure they will surface.
I am surprised the Press/ Crime TV do not ask him about his opinions and why they changed so much when he saw the opportunity to work for Casey. I don't know how anyone could believe what he says from now on. I certainly would not want him representing me with that background.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I don't think that the Media ever posted the JAC Post-Hearing Memorandum filed on 3/19/2010. Here it is, worth a quick read:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/36596270/03192010-JAC-Post-Hearing-Memorandum

In part:
4. In light of the sUbstantial amounts raised for the Defendant's defense, JAC
objects to a finding of indigency in this matter absent a showing that the $275,000.00
was expended in a reasonable and rational manner. In JAC's experience with court-
appointed death cases, $275,000 should have been adequate to fund both a
reasonable fee for the private attorneys and cover at least a substantial portion of the the
due process costs particularly in light of the current posture of the case.
5. Per the information provided in the motion and at hearing, this case is still largely
in the fact gathering stage in that depositions have not been conducted of the various
state witnesses. For the defense to have utilized the entire $275,000 while this case is
still in the investigatory stage seems unusual.
6. Considering that the money was raised during the course of this proceeding, the
funds should have been dedicated to the Defendant's defense. As part of the Court's
review, the Court should verify that none of the funds were transferred to third parties .
such as family, friends, or other persons or institutions.

And how odd/convenient that every last penny was spent just as Zenaida's case is due to be heard. She became indigent at a very fortuitous time it seems.

 

[zoey]

I don't think that the Media ever posted the JAC Post-Hearing Memorandum filed on 3/19/2010. Here it is, worth a quick read:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/36596270/03192010-JAC-Post-Hearing-Memorandum

In part:
4. In light of the sUbstantial amounts raised for the Defendant's defense, JAC
objects to a finding of indigency in this matter absent a showing that the $275,000.00
was expended in a reasonable and rational manner. In JAC's experience with court-
appointed death cases, $275,000 should have been adequate to fund both a
reasonable fee for the private attorneys and cover at least a substantial portion of the the
due process costs particularly in light of the current posture of the case.
5. Per the information provided in the motion and at hearing, this case is still largely
in the fact gathering stage in that depositions have not been conducted of the various
state witnesses. For the defense to have utilized the entire $275,000 while this case is
still in the investigatory stage seems unusual.
6. Considering that the money was raised during the course of this proceeding, the
funds should have been dedicated to the Defendant's defense. As part of the Court's
review, the Court should verify that none of the funds were transferred to third parties .
such as family, friends, or other persons or institutions.

think I now understand why the defense has be postponing this little topic.....jac doesn't really like how the money was spent......I think that next weeks hearing should be a tad interesting...will that be live?

 

[Anais]

It is refreshing to see that Casey will be treated like any other indigent person who is on trial for murder. I take note of the fact that the JAC seems to have quite a few objections and concerns with the defense and what it's done up to this point to go through all the $$$ and nothing really has been done as of yet! Go JAC!

 

[Mosby]

I don't think that the Media ever posted the JAC Post-Hearing Memorandum filed on 3/19/2010. Here it is, worth a quick read:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/36596270/03192010-JAC-Post-Hearing-Memorandum

In part:
4. In light of the sUbstantial amounts raised for the Defendant's defense, JAC
objects to a finding of indigency in this matter absent a showing that the $275,000.00
was expended in a reasonable and rational manner. In JAC's experience with court-
appointed death cases, $275,000 should have been adequate to fund both a
reasonable fee for the private attorneys and cover at least a substantial portion of the the
due process costs particularly in light of the current posture of the case.
5. Per the information provided in the motion and at hearing, this case is still largely
in the fact gathering stage in that depositions have not been conducted of the various
state witnesses. For the defense to have utilized the entire $275,000 while this case is
still in the investigatory stage seems unusual.
6. Considering that the money was raised during the course of this proceeding, the
funds should have been dedicated to the Defendant's defense. As part of the Court's
review, the Court should verify that none of the funds were transferred to third parties .
such as family, friends, or other persons or institutions.

Thanks so much Muzikman! A very good read indeed.

I am delighted to see the JAC has the same concerns that most of us have. I thought that whole indigency thing sailed through awfully quick. $275,000 was blown, with only some 36 depositions currently taken (as stated in court yesterday).

We will probably never see the full accounting, but at least they will. Hope the JAC really grills the defense on this.

 

[cecybeans]

Thanks so much Muzikman! A very good read indeed.

I am delighted to see the JAC has the same concerns that most of us have. I thought that whole indigency thing sailed through awfully quick. $275,000 was blown, with only some 36 depositions currently taken (as stated in court yesterday).

We will probably never see the full accounting, but at least they will. Hope the JAC really grills the defense on this.

What I also love is that Judge P has ordered the budget meeting for next week instead of the June or July deadline that JS apparently made.

I look forward to our friend Richard Hornsby Esquire's predictions coming true that JB's rear will be in a sling if he cannot either account for the funds or they were misappropriated in any way. JB has just one week to dummy up, uh, organize all those receipts.

 

[Spangle]

One of her Attnys was disbarred for playing loose with client funds. And KC's had a proper amount of funds for her defense, yet it is now all gone.. and nothing has really been done for her case..

Any wonder everyone is concerned over this???

 

[Omachka]

think I now understand why the defense has be postponing this little topic.....jac doesn't really like how the money was spent......I think that next weeks hearing should be a tad interesting...will that be live?

I really wish we could see that hearing because I think it will be a LOT interesting. According to this local news article, it's a closed meeting rather than an open hearing. Guess we'll just have to wish we could be a fly on the wall. I am so glad that JP is pushing them on this issue though. It really needs to be the first order of business.... then again, I think JB will be in trouble when it's over with. Maybe then we will find out where the blood money was spent... my bet is Target, Wal-mart and maybe even k-mart. :laugh:

 

[Spangle]

And why is KC seemingly okay with this? She's on trial for murder, facing the death penalty...and she's just cool, calm, collected and in love with her boys. Why isn't she raising sand with regards to how her "boys" are spending her (blood) money?

Same reason she has kept JB as her lead atty. And she wouldn't have that blood money, if it wasn't for JB. Might be why he considers it 'his'.

While the JP might have made her sit in the courtroom and watch JB stumble around.. She might not be aware of how many atty's and expert witness have said they are doing 'this' for free. Hence, where is the money going??? Not paying for investigation, depo's (only 35 have been done), nor viewing the TES files.

ALL her attys have done is held her hand at the jail many times and file worthless motions. All for $270,000.. Since she doesn't realize how worthless and a big joke those motions are.. she really doesn't "get" how much she is being ripped off. To her, it's not JB that is the problem..

 

[Aedrys]

Same reason she has kept JB as her lead atty. And she wouldn't have that blood money, if it wasn't for JB. Might be why he considers it 'his'.

While the JP might have made her sit in the courtroom and watch JB stumble around.. She might not be aware of how many atty's and expert witness have said they are doing 'this' for free. Hence, where is the money going??? Not paying for investigation, depo's (only 35 have been done), nor viewing the TES files.

ALL her attys have done is held her hand at the jail many times and file worthless motions. All for $270,000.. Since she doesn't realize how worthless and a big joke those motions are.. she really doesn't "get" how much she is being ripped off. To her, it's not JB that is the problem..

Exactly. They've treated her exactly like her parents did. She probably thinks more money will just appear out of thin air, or that her own attorneys can just steal the money for her, or make more off of Caylee, or take out credit cards and just charge them up. Money is not an object to Casey, never has been. I highly doubt she realizes just how much money was made and how much money has been blown. She just doesn't care about money unless someone else makes it and spends it on her or she can steal it from them.

Doesn't matter where the money comes from or goes as long as she's not been found guilty yet and believes she'll get out free one day. That's why she's still loving her "boys". She really does think they will somehow pull off the biggest miracle in history and get her out of jail. That's all that matters to her is GET ME OUT OF HERE. Logic and reasoning are not her friend and she wouldn't want a lawyer that talked to her with those tools. So therefore, her "boys" are perfect for her.

She's too stupid to realize she has a better chance with people that would actually look out for her interests and really try to get her out of jail. Oh well, all the better for Justice for Caylee!

 

[zadari]

As a Florida citizen, this burns my butt more than you know.




Don't kill your daughter and you won't incur legal fees and costs from legal experts - duh - no brainer....

Mom and dad should cover it.

CA and GA shouldn't have to either this is what casey did ...she's an adult she should.
However they should be held accountable for covering her butt.and have charges brought against them for interference with the investigation .and protecting a murderer daughter or not..

 

[Spangle]

Exactly. They've treated her exactly like her parents did. She probably thinks more money will just appear out of thin air, or that her own attorneys can just steal the money for her, or make more off of Caylee, or take out credit cards and just charge them up. Money is not an object to Casey, never has been. I highly doubt she realizes just how much money was made and how much money has been blown. She just doesn't care about money unless someone else makes it and spends it on her or she can steal it from them.

Doesn't matter where the money comes from or goes as long as she's not been found guilty yet and believes she'll get out free one day. That's why she's still loving her "boys". She really does think they will somehow pull off the biggest miracle in history and get her out of jail. That's all that matters to her is GET ME OUT OF HERE. Logic and reasoning are not her friend and she wouldn't want a lawyer that talked to her with those tools. So therefore, her "boys" are perfect for her.

She's too stupid to realize she has a better chance with people that would actually look out for her interests and really try to get her out of jail. Oh well, all the better for Justice for Caylee!

Actually, I think that since she KNOWS she is guilty, that she feels like she is pulling a SCAM on everyone. JB has been treating her 'special' and like he believes her... Like everyone else is the 'bad guy'. Including her parents. This feeds the fantasy that the SCAM is possible and is working perfectly.

She needs JB to keep her fantasy going in her mind. So she can keep playing the role she is trying to play.

Her parents were starting to ask the tough questions, etc.. Going where she didn't want to go.. on camera.. messing up her 'scam.'

She thinks it's in her best interest to keep up this game. She can't do it without JB 'believing'.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Folks.....now we know why JB turned green uke: at the hearing yesterday when Judge Perry ordered the budget meeting for NEXT week.

Uhhhhhh, you see Judge......I don't have all my records ready and I think I'm supposed to be sick that day. Can I get back with you???

 

[LC446]

Yesterday during the hearing, when JP brought up the JAC meeting, didn't Baez say that he wanted to request an in camera hearing and JP declined? Baez is extremely uncomfortable disclosing how that money was spent and I don't think it has anything to do with hiring experts or anything of that nature. I think he is scared to death to show the JAC where that money went. It should be interesting if we get to see this hearing.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Thanks, Muzikman for the docstoc link. I had actually thought the JAC didn't object to anything, so I'm relieved to see they did and to see JBP wanting to get this done.

Something tells me JB is sitting in his office right now saying: "Wait, why did we file for indigency? And who wanted JS to step down?!?"

JB couldn't have had the rest of the team fooled, could he? Maybe we'll see more atty's excusing themselves?