Casey files for-Indigency; Defense reveals how much it's been paid!

[logicalgirl]

I was at that hearing when they discussed this and I pulled out my notes. I didn't write down anything about the attorneys being allowed to file for their fees later and I don't remember them saying so... although I think there was some discussion with the Judge in private on this IIRC. Maybe the confusion is over what constitutes costs and what constitutes fees or maybe there is a rule of law somewhere that had been discussed elsewhere that they could come back later. That doesn't seem quite fair to me if it wasn't in the order... what do I know, I'm just a lowly tax payer. :crazy:

Exactly! As you and others have said - if Baez is actually working pro bono, something very fishy is going on - he is up to something he probably shouldn't be doing - this is one guy who has proven he like a lot of money for doing basically nothing. So now he's going to do a lot for nothing? Huh? I didn't see any evidence of Baez turning over a new leaf at the last hearing - he was pretty same old same old if his crack about Lyon(s) and Mr. NeJames was evidence.

So, Baez, whatcha up to? Hmmmm? Maybe a quick plea and bing bang Bob's your Uncle?

 

[Omachka]

Exactly! As you and others have said - if Baez is actually working pro bono, something very fishy is going on - he is up to something he probably shouldn't be doing - this is one guy who has proven he like a lot of money for doing basically nothing. So now he's going to do a lot for nothing? Huh? I didn't see any evidence of Baez turning over a new leaf at the last hearing - he was pretty same old same old if his crack about Lyon(s) and Mr. NeJames was evidence.

So, Baez, whatcha up to? Hmmmm? Maybe a quick plea and bing bang Bob's your Uncle?

BBM - He isn't going to have a lot of time to do "nothing" anymore thanks to Judge P. No time to work on a book if that's what he was doing and there won't be much time to be media hounds. It probably won't be much fun for CM either. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the next few weeks brings when they are forced to follow the rules of criminal procedure for a while. :whip2: I am glad that Judge P is setting such a tight schedule. Perhaps with the circus atmosphere squelched we can get back to justice for Caylee.

 

[zoey]

BBM - He isn't going to have a lot of time to do "nothing" anymore thanks to Judge P. No time to work on a book if that's what he was doing and there won't be much time to be media hounds. It probably won't be much fun for CM either. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what the next few weeks brings when they are forced to follow the rules of criminal procedure for a while. :whip2: I am glad that Judge P is setting such a tight schedule. Perhaps with the circus atmosphere squelched we can get back to justice for Caylee.

I still keep thinking that some of this should have been done well before now...(if one was truly working as hard as he claims)--always boggled my mind how he could whine about lack of time when he had her in his office day in and day out for how long??? and they were working on this case then....not much as really changed except of course the body being found---since then they just keep filing motions along with putting feelers out there for soddi and try to figure out how to use discovery to their benefit....for the amount of lawyers....I guess you get what you pay for (or not):angel:

 

[Muzikman]

I was at that hearing when they discussed this and I pulled out my notes. I didn't write down anything about the attorneys being allowed to file for their fees later and I don't remember them saying so... although I think there was some discussion with the Judge in private on this IIRC. Maybe the confusion is over what constitutes costs and what constitutes fees or maybe there is a rule of law somewhere that had been discussed elsewhere that they could come back later. That doesn't seem quite fair to me if it wasn't in the order... what do I know, I'm just a lowly tax payer. :crazy:

BBM

That was my impression also - Baez got his 90 grand, and that was all he was going to get.

Even though he couldn't keep track of his billable hours for that 90G... that's another subject altogether. :furious:

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[suzihawk]

BBM

That was my impression also - Baez got his 90 grand, and that was all he was going to get.

Even though he couldn't keep track of his billable hours for that 90G... that's another subject altogether. :furious:

This completely boggles my mind! It's obvious he's no Einstein, but anyone in the law field (or out, for that matter) knows that tracking your hours is imperative. :banghead:

 

[logicalgirl]

BBM

That was my impression also - Baez got his 90 grand, and that was all he was going to get.

Even though he couldn't keep track of his billable hours for that 90G... that's another subject altogether. :furious:

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I see by the notes after the JAC and indigency hearing that the JAC isn't exactly satisfied with what he's told the court and would like to have further discussions of a more precise nature with him about it.

 

[Muzikman]

I see by the notes after the JAC and indigency hearing that the JAC isn't exactly satisfied with what he's told the court and would like to have further discussions of a more precise nature with him about it.

I think it may be too late for that, it should have been done before she was declared indigent. IIRC, the JAC post-hearing memo was filed before she was declared.

 

[logicalgirl]

LOL, I know what you mean.
I think I posted the links mostly to convince myself they actually said they are working pro bono, all of them.
Something about that still sticks in my craw too.
For me the lingering doubt is linked to not getting full disclosure about ALL of the money. Apparently JS saw the accounting and believed it was above board but we never saw it.
It continues to raise questions for me, where the heck did all the money go to? Until I see that answered I will continue to doubt what is going on here too.

Wouldn't it be fun to get that full accounting revealed in the hearing this Thursday?

Okay QB - I concede! You say so, AZLawyer says so - so Baez must be working pro bono - I get it. BUT I STILL DON'T BELIEVE IT!!

WHAT am I missing here?

 

[QB.]

LogicalGirl, my post was in agreement with you. Even though they say they are not getting paid, I still have doubt like you do.

 

[zoey]

LogicalGirl, my post was in agreement with you. Even though they say they are not getting paid, I still have doubt like you do.

I am with you guys on this one....until he totally comes out and states this....perhaps then....but he never has that I can recall........I just don't trust him.....

 

[logicalgirl]

LogicalGirl, my post was in agreement with you. Even though they say they are not getting paid, I still have doubt like you do.

LOL - okay then....sorry to sound like a four year old who isn't getting their toy back - it's that age old question - why? Why is he doing this? Why would he do this - Mr. Slick who goes through money and didn't get accepted by the Bar the first go around because his spending issues and payment issues were not in order...
There I go again - sorry:blushing:

 

[Spangle]

Okay QB - I concede! You say so, AZLawyer says so - so Baez must be working pro bono - I get it. BUT I STILL DON'T BELIEVE IT!!

WHAT am I missing here?

JB said he was paid XXXX amount of money. But for staff and expenses.

I find that a hoot. Most staff work for a small hourly rate. When a client pays for the work generated by staff, the client tends to pay more then the cost (salay,etc, etc) So the business makes a profit from the employee's work.

The Boss makes his salary out of the profit.

Is that what you are missing??

 

[Amil]

So fishy it makes the fish market smell like a rose garden. Remember when then Todd Black at the time said ABC had offered a $700,000 plus deal for movie/book rights but it was put away in a drawer? ABC may not be able to make a deal with KC but who would be the next best person to get all the info they need? It's not right, but the "deal in the drawer" statement is what bothered me. jmo

and Mr.Jim Lichtenstein,Today Show producer, is at every hearing. He's there for a reason. Somebody with money is paying his ticket to ride. There's a deal somewhere. Money is being funneled somehow - blood money.
He usually sits with the Anthonys but last hearing he sat on the other side. He sat there IMO because the Anthony row was nearly full.

 

[AZlawyer]

As I said before - I'm probably wrong - but I think he will be the only lawyer who will be paid, at the public defender rate. plus costs and expenses. That may be why he stood up and said he is lead attorney.

I can't see a lawyer putting in the amount of time he is going to have to do (now finally) to give ICA a relatively passable defense at trial. There is a lot of work, and there is only so much he can fob off on his free help. Seriously, he won't have time to take that many other cases, at least for the next six months, would he? How would he support his law firm? We know he's blasted through the cash from the ABC deal so that won't help.

Lighting the beacon for AZLawyer - Helloooo Az - your thoughts?

My understanding is that NONE of the lawyers will be paid by the state, at PD rates or otherwise. Costs only.

I agree that Baez likely thinks there is some way he will make money from all this in the long run. Perhaps he plans to be famous for getting CA an acquittal (hmmm I doubt it). Then he would get lots of clients and could charge higher fees.

 

[LambChop]

I see by the notes after the JAC and indigency hearing that the JAC isn't exactly satisfied with what he's told the court and would like to have further discussions of a more precise nature with him about it.

Maybe TM from California showed JB how to keep track of what his expenses. jmo

 

[faefrost]

My understanding is that NONE of the lawyers will be paid by the state, at PD rates or otherwise. Costs only.

I agree that Baez likely thinks there is some way he will make money from all this in the long run. Perhaps he plans to be famous for getting CA an acquittal (hmmm I doubt it). Then he would get lots of clients and could charge higher fees.

Yeah, all of the others are declarred pro bono, so they would have no claim on any state funds, and as far as the state is concerned Baez has been paid for his services. A rather substantial amount. if one can assume that a DP murder defense can be mounted for $1 million, a not unreasonable amount, then Baez has already recieved 9% of the total defense costs. There is a world of diference between required expenses for the defense, such as documents and filing fees, paying third parties such as expert witnesses, labs and court reporters etc, and his personal business expenses. His staff. Materials used within his office, etc. The business expenses come out of the lawyers fee and are not a seperate billable item. They come out of his cut.

I see no reason why the state would pay Baez a dime at this point. They don't have to. He has already accepted and deposited to his accounts a substantial sum of monies to provide a legal defense for the defendant. And lets be frank, there is no way that he can simply walk away from that at this point without the permission of his client and the court. Even if he does not see one more dime from this he is obligated to see it through. So why would the state throw taxpayer money at him? He's already stuck by deals of his own making.

 

[logicalgirl]

My understanding is that NONE of the lawyers will be paid by the state, at PD rates or otherwise. Costs only.

I agree that Baez likely thinks there is some way he will make money from all this in the long run. Perhaps he plans to be famous for getting CA an acquittal (hmmm I doubt it). Then he would get lots of clients and could charge higher fees.

Thanks AZLawyer, but I am still sulking........:truce:

 

[SallyLu]

Thanks AZLawyer, but I am still sulking........:truce:

Ahhh but now that you have seen Faefrost's post (same time as you) do you feel any better?

 

[Bobbisangel]

Thanks so much Muzikman! A very good read indeed.

I am delighted to see the JAC has the same concerns that most of us have. I thought that whole indigency thing sailed through awfully quick. $275,000 was blown, with only some 36 depositions currently taken (as stated in court yesterday).

We will probably never see the full accounting, but at least they will. Hope the JAC really grills the defense on this.

Was that written by JAC before Casey was approved by Judge S or after? Baez briefly gave Judge S a rundown of where all that money went which was to himself and Lyon. JAC wasn't even in the courtroom to hear anything.

I thought the JAC hearing coming up is just for Baez to tell them or show them how much money will be spent on different things. I was really shocked that Judge S let all of that money slide so easily. I really wish JAC would make Baez account for each penny of Caylee's blood money.

 

[QB.]

Ahhh but now that you have seen Faefrost's post (same time as you) do you feel any better?

I do.