Casey seeing clergy in jail

[Laece]

I think what Casey did qualifies as "abuse of children".

i'm with you on this one for sure. unfortunately, they dropped the neglect/abuse charges, right? i don't think that's the worst thing in the world, though, because now jurors have to take an all or nothing approach, and i think they'll go with the 'all' as opposed to the nothing. gosh, i hope, anyway.

 

[mom4321]

If the minister was there to DO THE RIGHT THING I very much doubt george and cindy would have allowed him near her.

 

[Janis396]

If the minister was there to DO THE RIGHT THING I very much doubt george and cindy would have allowed him near her.

Exactly, I think the A-team has an ulterior motive sending him in. But I am hoping he won't be complicit in their little games they want to play. But if so, he'll more than likely be compelled to testify in court.

 

[mydailyopinions]

I try to stay out of the religious part of things, but from the bottom of my heart can say that I hope that no clergyman will go into that jail with anything less than the best of intentions. I agree with bible study, I agree with counseling,
I agree with spirtual advice, but do not believe in going in with false intentions such as being a go between. I choose to believe that anyone preaching of the Lord would not put themselves in such a position.
I don't feel sorry for Casey at all, but I sure hope someone is giving her spiritual advice and it is all sinking in.
I would be so disappointed if I were to find out this is more than someone speaking for the Lord to someone who is so lost.

 

[feddup]

:woohoo:

You are not the only one. I share your intuitions on this, with the added feeling that KC is not eager for the parents' visits either. When she was on house arrest, she spent as little time as permitted with Cindy and Geo.

yes, I think itmustve been pretty tense in that house.
They probably like not having to deal with her, wouldnt you?

Theres only so much your kid can put you through. they must be stressed to the MAX.

 

[Nana46]

I frankly don't think the full force of this has hit her yet...I think she has been told as long as she keeps quiet no one can prove a thing so that is what she is banking on....I still remember that last interview when she was "trying" to have tears...the only tears that came was when JB said she was a mother and someone's daughter...that reminded her of her mother and what would happen if she found out......my opinion only of course.

 

[kiki the parrot]

Sweetmop: A decent minister it seems to me would go to her with the idea of helping her and not to play into all of the lies as everyone else has in the family.

You are being generous. IMO it isn't even a "spectrum," I would venture as far as to say any genuine minister would have just one purpose in mind for such a visit.

 

[CaliKid]

I don't really care who she bares her soul to (if she's capable of doing that) as long as Caylee receives a decent burial and KC pays for her crimes.

 

[Talison]

IIRC, she can't request a visit, but she can approve or deny when someone requests a visit with her.

Nope. What you're referring to is the video visitation center, which is not actually located at the jail. That's where George and Cindy have visited Casey in the past, and where Casey refused the visit with Lee. Inmates are restricted to three video visits per week, 45 minutes per visit. This is the only way family and friends can visit an inmate in Orange County. I'm not providing a link for that, because it's already been discussed and well-documented here.

Clergy visits are completely different from family/friend visits. The two have nothing to do with each other. Clergy does not visit an inmate through the video visitation center. They visit the inmate in person at the actual jail. Those visits are usually requested by the inmate - which, if you think about it, is the only system that even makes sense. And clergy are not restricted to 45 minute visits, either. In the article that was posted earlier on this thread, it stated that Casey's clergy visit lasted for 3 hours, so obviously clergy visits have different rules than family visits (I have to wonder what Casey wanted to talk about for 3 hours! ).

If you really need a link, here are a couple of links to prison ministry websites that state that inmates make the visitation requests. I picked ministries that were specific to Orange County, Florida. I don't want to spend my whole day looking up this info... so if you need more than this, you can find info from religious organizations, ministries, or even just call the jail and ask about clergy visits. The jail does not include information about clergy visits on their website, so if you want official confirmation, contacting the jail directly is the only way you're going to get it.

Since 1987, Father Bill has served as a volunteer chaplain at the Orange County Florida Jail, in cooperation with Orange County Jail Ministry, providing Catholic pastoral care to those inmates who request it. We minister to any inmates who request our services. They do not have to be Catholic.

http://www.lcc-orlando.org/pastoral.htm

We also offer correspondent Bible studies, one on one counseling, and Bibles to all the inmates who request them.

http://www.ocjm.org/aboutus.html

 

[kiki the parrot]

I don't really care who she bares her soul to (if she's capable of doing that) as long as Caylee receives a decent burial and KC pays for her crimes.

And yet, like it or not, both of which could, in part depend upon her ability to do just that--to confess the nature and manner of her "sins." And any clergyman who went there on any other "business" without at least attempting to do this IMO is, shall we say, disingenuous in his calling.

 

[Theonly1]

Thanks for finding this article nancy. I've read it a while back , and wanted to read it again when someone again referred to it in a post last night.

I was thinking about this case, and about Casey and how she should be feeling if she has even 1% of normalcy within her. She should be sick to her stomach, and asking herself , 'Why the heck did I do such a horrible thing to my beautiful child'?
She should be having difficult sleeping every night, and when she does fall to sleep, she should be having some horrific nightmares.
It seems she could see how serious this situation is and the entire picture for what it is. She's had several days now, alone and in her cell.
She is in jail for capital murder, not a bounced check! This is big stuff! Do you think she realizes the real gravity of the situation here?

I don't think she realizes the "gravity" except as it effects her (I don't think she's worrying about her soul or freaking about Caylee). I think she's sitting around thinking how much her situation "sucks" and who is possibly to blame for it (other than her). I would bet she's looking to explain away the evidence that is coming to light and trying to while away the hours. I bet she's really **angry**; girlfriend has a LOT of anger in her. It's probably hard to keep a lid on all that trying to put on a "face" at the jail.

 

[sweetmop]

I try to stay out of the religious part of things, but from the bottom of my heart can say that I hope that no clergyman will go into that jail with anything less than the best of intentions. I agree with bible study, I agree with counseling,
I agree with spirtual advice, but do not believe in going in with false intentions such as being a go between. I choose to believe that anyone preaching of the Lord would not put themselves in such a position.
I don't feel sorry for Casey at all, but I sure hope someone is giving her spiritual advice and it is all sinking in.
I would be so disappointed if I were to find out this is more than someone speaking for the Lord to someone who is so lost.

Very well said mydailyopinions. I feel the same as you do here.
I have to believe that the minister who visited Casey is sincere.
I also pray that some of what was said to her by him, did indeed make a spiritual connection.

 

[JustanotherJane]

I wonder if this isn't part of the "script". If there really was an incestuous relationship she may think this is her "ace" in the hole. She calls in a minister, slowly starts revealing things to him, probably lies mixed in with a little bit of truth. At some point, she tells him about the incest without ever admitting to anything she's done. Then, they can call the minister into court and he can testify to what she told him. If she never admits to anything, except the incest (assuming there was) then she pulls the sympathy card out. If the jurors believe the evidence which says Caylee is dead and most likely at the hands of her mother, then they may still feel sorry for her and give her a lighter sentence.

There must have been something brought up such as "if you were molested, why didn't you tell anyone"?

I would believe this much more likely than any type of confession. I just don't see it.

 

[JustanotherJane]

Another possibility for bringing in a minister could be to scare her accomplice or accomplices. She may want them to think she may confess.

She could be manipulating someone.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Another possibility for bringing in a minister could be to scare her accomplice or accomplices. She may want them to think she may confess.

She could be manipulating someone.

Whoaaaaaaaaaaaaa.............that is a good point.......Hadn't thought about that.

 

[DotsEyes]

The article is interesting. Make it all about KC if you want her to cooperate. Do not confront her about her lies, her flat emotions, her guilt, or Caylee needing to be found. So the way to get through to KC is to get her to understand that it really is all about her now, her life and freedom is at stake and that she deserves to be saved. I begin:

Is it such a waste of a life. A pretty young woman with so much life ahead of her and she choses to lose it rather than admit that she did something wrong, face the music and repent. So she had a crazy mom and dad, who doesn't? That is no reason to "show them" by stubbornly going up to the gates of hell. She has "shown them" enough. They got the message, she is in control of them and has the power to make their life bearable or unbearable. She is letting them suffer for things they did to her in the past, whether real or perceived - it doesn't matter, the emotion and reaction is there.

I wonder what KC's life story is all about? How was it 'growing up Anthony'? How did it feel to be obviously pregnant and have no one in the house ever mention it? 18 and pregnant from an unknown male must have been pretty traumatic. Having to quit HS, then a job she liked - people liked her and she had talent, then the DNA fiasco. Can you imagine all the wailing and gnashing of teeth when the tests came out? All the hurt and angry people? "What? You told me you only had sex ONCE!" She was only 18 and was guessing and hoping that Jesse was the father, because the other option was bad and I think she liked the warmth of the Grund family, they loved her and didn't belittle her constantly.

Next?

 

[DotsEyes]

I'm sorry but this thing wants to talk to clergy? :sick: Can anyone see if a cross will burn her skin while they're at it then? :furious: HOW DARE she use religion and God like this.

This woman will TRULY burn in hell.

Whoa! Who needs spiritual guidance more than someone in prison, accused of murdering her own child? I didn't know that clergymen only ministered to those who never stray from the path. "Dead Man Walking" is a true story about ministering to those condemned to die. Would you deny KC a minister?

I apologize ahead of time if I misread the post. But, we all need to remember that her eternal life is at stake here - the minister is trying to save her soul from hell. She asked him to come which tells me she is feeling a spiritual void. They spoke for over 2 hours, maybe 3 hours. He will help her in finding her way. If ever someone had demons to fight, it is this woman.

Pray for KC's soul. It won't hurt.

 

[Laece]

Clergy visits are completely different from family/friend visits. The two have nothing to do with each other. Clergy does not visit an inmate through the video visitation center. They visit the inmate in person at the actual jail. Those visits are usually requested by the inmate - which, if you think about it, is the only system that even makes sense. And clergy are not restricted to 45 minute visits, either. In the article that was posted earlier on this thread, it stated that Casey's clergy visit lasted for 3 hours, so obviously clergy visits have different rules than family visits (I have to wonder what Casey wanted to talk about for 3 hours! ).

If you really need a link, here are a couple of links to prison ministry websites that state that inmates make the visitation requests. I picked ministries that were specific to Orange County, Florida. I don't want to spend my whole day looking up this info... so if you need more than this, you can find info from religious organizations, ministries, or even just call the jail and ask about clergy visits. The jail does not include information about clergy visits on their website, so if you want official confirmation, contacting the jail directly is the only way you're going to get it.

thank you, talison.:blowkiss:

 

[100%Agave]

Wow, I didn't know that the devil had a minister.

I am not a really religious person so if I offend those who are, please forgive or just overlook my posts but I could really care less about her eternal life, soul, whatever. If she wants to find religion, good for her....if it helps her live with herself for what is left of her life but she won't get any sympathy from me and I truly hope that if she killed Caylee she suffers now and in the afterlife and for all eternity.

What you sow, so shall you reap.

 

[faefrost]

The article is interesting. Make it all about KC if you want her to cooperate. Do not confront her about her lies, her flat emotions, her guilt, or Caylee needing to be found. So the way to get through to KC is to get her to understand that it really is all about her now, her life and freedom is at stake and that she deserves to be saved. I begin:

Is it such a waste of a life. A pretty young woman with so much life ahead of her and she choses to lose it rather than admit that she did something wrong, face the music and repent. So she had a crazy mom and dad, who doesn't? That is no reason to "show them" by stubbornly going up to the gates of hell. She has "shown them" enough. They got the message, she is in control of them and has the power to make their life bearable or unbearable. She is letting them suffer for things they did to her in the past, whether real or perceived - it doesn't matter, the emotion and reaction is there.

I wonder what KC's life story is all about? How was it 'growing up Anthony'? How did it feel to be obviously pregnant and have no one in the house ever mention it? 18 and pregnant from an unknown male must have been pretty traumatic. Having to quit HS, then a job she liked - people liked her and she had talent, then the DNA fiasco. Can you imagine all the wailing and gnashing of teeth when the tests came out? All the hurt and angry people? "What? You told me you only had sex ONCE!" She was only 18 and was guessing and hoping that Jesse was the father, because the other option was bad and I think she liked the warmth of the Grund family, they loved her and didn't belittle her constantly.

Next?

Make it all about Casey and ignore the lies?

Remind me again exactly why we think waterboarding is a bad idea?