Casey Visited by Doctor

[OneLostGrl]

Question please?

Didn't the state order a psychiatric evaluation on her when she was arrested?

Would the defense be doing their own eval as SOP? Just curious I don't know how this works.

Yeah, she had one prior to being released on bond the first time. And yup, the defense would want their own cuz I'm sure they weren't happy with the one that released her. If a eval took place that said she were "crazy" (or a danger to self or others) she wouldn't have been let out on bond and into society.. she'd have been transfered to a hosp and/or held on a civil commitment. IMO. Nobody is gonna say what they want them to.. if she killed her child there is no excuse for it. If you take a life you need to be taken out of society even if you are mentally ill (and as you know, I am. so this isn't me talking crap about the mentally ill LOL)

 

[logicalgirl]

Yeah, she had one prior to being released on bond the first time. And yup, the defense would want their own cuz I'm sure they weren't happy with the one that released her. If a eval took place that said she were "crazy" (or a danger to self or others) she wouldn't have been let out on bond and into society.. she'd have been transfered to a hosp and/or held on a civil commitment. IMO. Nobody is gonna say what they want them to.. if she killed her child there is no excuse for it. If you take a life you need to be taken out of society even if you are mentally ill (and as you know, I am. so this isn't me talking crap about the mentally ill LOL)

I value your opinion OneLostGirl - what do you think HHJS read when he raised his eyebrows and said there are no words - or some such thing, while looking at her evaluation?

 

[OneLostGrl]

I believe that they did, I mentioned it in my post #26.
ETA : Here is a link for the bond hearing when HHSS ordered the psych evaluation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESjK7FSZV38
He also stated., "her mental condition which I can't begin to describe"..........

Both docs seem pretty well liked at this site at least...

http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_search/physician/profiles/dr-md-reports/dr-alan-berns-md-028da8f5/patient-ratings

http://www.healthgrades.com/directory_search/physician/profiles/dr-md-reports/dr-jeffrey-danziger-md-76521435/patient-ratings

 

[OneLostGrl]

I value your opinion OneLostGirl - what do you think HHJS read when he raised his eyebrows and said there are no words - or some such thing, while looking at her evaluation?

I don't think they had done a eval yet- I think he was just commenting on what he thinks because of her lies. etc. which is why he ordered one.

 

[Intermezzo]

Reading about the MD that has been to visit Casey brings Terence Lenamon (the 1st DP qualified lawyer on this case) to my mind and the disagreement between he and Baez over strategy, mental-health strategy.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...v-coverage-of-his-nancy-grace-appearance.html

"Lenamon said he had a very limited time with Anthony. He said he and Baez had "a disagreement over strategy over mental-health mitigation."

Lenamon said he had great concern over the case's future because of media exposure. He feared that "the death penalty lawyer who will be brought in will be rubber-stamping a preplanned defense."

"I am suggesting that whoever that lawyer is has to be independent of the strategy in evaluating the case," Lenamon added.

"I am hopeful they bring in some big-shot death penalty lawyer," he said. "I will be the first one to say it's the best move Mr. Baez has made since bringing me in."

 

[Itsy]

I understand what you are saying. My question would then be how does the SA counter the defense doctor if the state does not have ICA examined as well by an independent doctor. I am not speaking of the initial exam.

IIRC, we discussed this early on but I don't remember what thread ..... thanks.

From what I recall from other cases I've seen over the years, the SA would not have to have their own doctor to examine Casey. They could just bring in 1 or 2 highly regarded doctors that disagree with him and could explain the counter opinions & site prior cases where these types of recollections did not hold up as "true memories." (Correct me if I've been watching too much TV, lawyers...)

 

[Leila]

I'm having very very vague recollections these comments about hated the dancing etc at Fusion came from Cindy in one of her diatribes....does that spark any "recovered memories" from anyone? LOL.

Seriously??:waitasec:

I'm sure Casey never said anything about hating to dance at Fusion and needing to drink to get the courage to do so. She stopped talking when she was initially arrested on July 16, 2008.

That comment came from Cindy, who was desperate to portray Casey as a "good girl who wouldn't do such a thing." At the same time, George was telling everyone that those pictures at Fusion were taken a couple years prior.........not during the time that Caylee was "missing."

I strongly doubt this doctor is going to find any sort of mental disability. I think the whole point of bringing this doctor in to see Casey is for mitigation during the sentencing phase. The defense is likely planning to show that Casey was molested (by George and/or Lee) and that she was emotionally abused by Cindy.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I'm sure Casey never said anything about hating to dance at Fusion and needing to drink to get the courage to do so. She stopped talking when she was initially arrested on July 16, 2008.

That comment came from Cindy, who was desperate to portray Casey as a "good girl who wouldn't do such a thing." At the same time, George was telling everyone that those pictures at Fusion were taken a couple years prior.........not during the time that Caylee was "missing."

I strongly doubt this doctor is going to find any sort of mental disability. I think the whole point of bringing this doctor in to see Casey is for mitigation during the sentencing phase. The defense is likely planning to show that Casey was molested (by George and/or Lee) and that she was emotionally abused by Cindy.

Yeah, George's story. He said they were taken when she was pregnant. How did he think THAT was any better than it being after Caylee was missing? Pregnant and drinking?! ohh George. :sick::crazy:

 

[ZsaZsa]

Also makes me wonder if she is going to claim some kind of post traumatic stress disorder.

IIRC she was examined when she was first jailed and found to be free of any mental illness, so her stress disorder must be related to spending time in Jail as she apparently did not have it on arrival.... :innocent:

 

[mysteriew]

I went on his website and this is what I found. I wonder if she is seeing someone for the sexual abuse she claims? He is author of a book Not Trauma Alone: Therapy for Child Abuse Survivors in Family and Social Context.

Dr. Gold specializes in research, treatment of and training in psychological trauma and trauma-related disorders, dissociation, hypnosis, and sexual addiction-compulsivity. He has written many articles for professional journals and chapters in edited volumes and presented on these topics at national and international professional conferences. " He is the author of Not Trauma Alone: Therapy for Child Abuse Survivors in Family and Social Context, co-editor of the books Trauma Practice in the Wake of September 11, 2001 and Trauma and Serious Mental Illness, and was guest editor of a special issue of the APA Division of Psychotherapy journal Psychotherapy: Theory, Research, Practice, Training on trauma-related disorders and treatment. Dr. Gold is a Certified Traumatologist with the Traumatology Institute, and is an Approved Consultant with the American Society for Clinical Hypnosis. He is also a fellow of APA and International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation, and a member of the Society for the Advancement of Sexual Health and of the organization MaleSurvivor. He serves as a board member of the Sidran Institute for Traumatic Stress Education & Advocacy and is on the advisory board of the Leadership Council on Child Abuse & Interpersonal Violence.

Interesting that he appears to specialize in disassociative disorder.
I wonder if this is an indication as to how the defense is going to lean.

A. Casey was sexually abused as a child.
B. Casey began suffering from untreated disassociative disorder in order to cope with ongoing sexual abuse.
C.'Casey' didn't harm Caylee. But one of Casey's alters did (maybe she had an alter named 'Zanny'?

I wonder if they will claim only the one alter or if they will claim more?

I really had expected them to go with Caylee dying accidently then Casey breaking from reality and losing contact with reality after she found her.

 

[OneLostGrl]

The only problem with borderline personality disorder is that it does not fully address all of ICA's behavior such as her criminality, pathological lying, lack of empathy, grandiose self worth, and the like (my laymans opinion).

Quoted from the link you gave specifically in the differential diagnosis section.

"Although Antisocial Personality Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder are both characterized by manipulative behavior, individuals with Antisocial Personality Disorder are manipulative to gain profit, power, or some other material gratification, whereas the goal in Borderline Personality Disorder is directed more toward gaining the concern of caretakers."

I believe ICA was more focused on manipulating others for her own gain and gratification then to achieve concern from CA GA, or her list of boyfriend fodder.

This is not to say that BPD couldn't co-occur, but BPD in my opinion does not fully encompass all of ICA's behaviors, and I'm not convinced ICA matches 5 required criteria for BPD. Like self mutilation and recurrent suicidal behavior as one example.

You are right, I agree that she doesn't fit all the criteria for borderline. She, IMO, doesn't meet all the criteria for any of the personality disorders. But she has traits of almost every one. I have always felt that if she were to be properly diagnosed, the list of dx's would be quite long. I agree with you that she has traits of psychopathy but she also has traits of all the other Cluster B personality disorders and perhaps one cluster C (Dependent Personality but that one is kinda pushing it. imo )

I see what you see, please don't think I'm trying to tell you I think you are wrong, cuz you aren't. I just don't think it's as simple as a DX of psychopathy. "A deeply ingrained, inflexible pattern of relating, perceiving, and thinking serious enough to cause distress or impaired functioning is a personality disorder." This girl is a walking, talking bag of personality disorders and getting to the bottom of it would be quite difficult even for an expert because that is the very nature of the disordered personality. I just don't think Casey can be put into any one box.

I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative and I'm sorry if I come across that way. Because I had a need to try and understand why my mother did the things she did to me and to herself and my desire to stop the pattern.. I have been trying to understand personality disorders my entire life and I find that they just are not as simple as most believe. I know I'm probably way too passionate on the subject and I'm sorry if I step over a line. :blowkiss:

 

[OneLostGrl]

Interesting that he appears to specialize in disassociative disorder.
I wonder if this is an indication as to how the defense is going to lean.

A. Casey was sexually abused as a child.
B. Casey began suffering from untreated disassociative disorder in order to cope with ongoing sexual abuse.
C.'Casey' didn't harm Caylee. But one of Casey's alters did (maybe she had an alter named 'Zanny'?

I wonder if they will claim only the one alter or if they will claim more?

I really had expected them to go with Caylee dying accidently then Casey breaking from reality and losing contact with reality after she found her.

I don't think they are gonna try and play a disassociative disorder as in DID and alter personalities just that she disassociates. Many people do and don't even realize it.

 

[marspiter]

You are right, I agree that she doesn't fit all the criteria for borderline. She, IMO, doesn't meet all the criteria for any of the personality disorders. But she has traits of almost every one. I have always felt that if she were to be properly diagnosed, the list of dx's would be quite long. I agree with you that she has traits of psychopathy but she also has traits of all the other Cluster B personality disorders and perhaps one cluster C (Dependent Personality but that one is kinda pushing it. imo )

I see what you see, please don't think I'm trying to tell you I think you are wrong, cuz you aren't. I just don't think it's as simple as a DX of psychopathy. "A deeply ingrained, inflexible pattern of relating, perceiving, and thinking serious enough to cause distress or impaired functioning is a personality disorder." This girl is a walking, talking bag of personality disorders and getting to the bottom of it would be quite difficult even for an expert because that is the very nature of the disordered personality. I just don't think Casey can be put into any one box.

I'm honestly not trying to be argumentative and I'm sorry if I come across that way. Because I had a need to try and understand why my mother did the things she did to me and to herself and my desire to stop the pattern.. I have been trying to understand personality disorders my entire life and I find that they just are not as simple as most believe. I know I'm probably way too passionate on the subject and I'm sorry if I step over a line. :blowkiss:

I completely agree with your assessment here. I wasn't trying to be arguementative either. lol Sometimes I like the sound of my own voice to much I guess. Not being a mental health professional myself I can only guestimate by my limited knowledge of the subject. I do work with a couple of mental health professionals and have thought about running this case by them but figured they'd start analyzing me and my obession with this case.

 

[logicalgirl]

:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious:

After reading the emails from Dom and Cindy and winding my way through all the other stuff - I only have one theory left.

The defense is way way out of their league, and ICA is running one BIG con job - and her team is assisting her all the way. This rubbish is unbelievable!

The only thing wrong with ICA is she is sociopath and much better at manipulating people than I ever suspected.

What a ship of fools!

 

[TotallyObsessed]

:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious:

After reading the emails from Dom and Cindy and winding my way through all the other stuff - I only have one theory left.

The defense is way way out of their league, and ICA is running one BIG con job - and her team is assisting her all the way. This rubbish is unbelievable!

The only thing wrong with ICA is she is sociopath and much better at manipulating people than I ever suspected.

What a ship of fools!

You know, I have always thought JB was the spin miester....the captain of the ship of fools if you will. But now, I'm not so sure. I think KC has manipulated her own defense, the PIs, and of course her family. She fed info to them leading them down certain paths. DC says in this last dump that he feels GA may have sexually abused KC. That had to come from KC herself. He evidently met with her at the jail where she was being "helpful".....you can bet over time she led him down the abuse path.

 

[logicalgirl]

You know - I agree with you. I think Baez has his eye so focused on the rewards he believes he's receive when this case is over - he is just one more puppet for her.

I really believed CA was slowly beginning to accept ICA's responsibility in Caylee's death - but with the complete rubbish Dom was spouting during the Anthony's most vulnerable time - I almost feel sorry for what she will have to learn at the trial. I sure hope the SA have Dom and G.Lucas on the stand and expose the complete line of quackery they fed them. Small wonder no one is paying Dom and speaking of mental capacity tests - line that guy up for the next one please. He is "way gone".

 

[countzero]

You know, I have always thought JB was the spin miester....the captain of the ship of fools if you will. But now, I'm not so sure. I think KC has manipulated her own defense, the PIs, and of course her family. She fed info to them leading them down certain paths. DC says in this last dump that he feels GA may have sexually abused KC. That had to come from KC herself. He evidently met with her at the jail where she was being "helpful".....you can bet over time she led him down the abuse path.

Well I guess now this is what JB was "hinting" about when he told the media "you will all understand it at trial" thingy's he spouted out for months.

Cat's out the bag now JB. Linda, Jeff and George have known long before we did what your, oh excuse me ... what your clients plan was. Only now your client is lining up CA and LA behind GA to meet those bus wheels.

 

[txsvicki]

I remember the judge at the beginning saying something about Casey's mental health evaluation being so complicated that he didn't think he could even begin to explain it. This doctor is probably just going to back up an excuse that Casey can't remember what happened to Caylee because it is proven by cell pings and timeline that she was never away from the home with an alive Caylee with her.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

:furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious:

After reading the emails from Dom and Cindy and winding my way through all the other stuff - I only have one theory left.

The defense is way way out of their league, and ICA is running one BIG con job - and her team is assisting her all the way. This rubbish is unbelievable!

The only thing wrong with ICA is she is sociopath and much better at manipulating people than I ever suspected.

What a ship of fools!

:bow::bow::bow::bow::bow:

COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE.

Casey fits all the criteria for sociopath / psychopath / antisocial personality disorder or whatever you want to call it. She has an uncanny ability to weave others into her web of lies by making them infatuated with her. All this nonsense comes from Casey, through Baez and onto whoever is running interference that day.

Now that Baez and co have finally realised all the fantasy tales of drug cartels and a live Caylee being transported all over South America on private jet were false, they think...'Oh, no way, she wasn't telling us the truth.....oh, maybe she is mad then' well, it's way too far down the road to change the game to an insanity defence, and none of the theories being floated are anywhere near enough to mitigate a death sentence.

Sorry Baez and co, the only explanation is the one everyone had right at the beginning...the girl is a psychopath, it happens every day.

I would find it hilarious however if they do go down the multiple personality path, I would get a great kick out of watching Casey try and play act all her alters in court everyday for the benefit of the jury.....please guys, let's give this one some real encouragement....then at the end of the day one of her alters can be found guilty and sentenced.

Same diff really.

 

[tiff07]

I would get a great kick out of watching Casey try and play act all her alters in court everyday for the benefit of the jury.....please guys, let's give this one some real encouragement....then at the end of the day one of her alters can be found guilty and sentenced.

Same diff really.

Rolling on the floor laughing here. I can just imagine. Casey addressing the court with a male voice. "Im not Casey, im Papa Smurf, Caylee is with the Illuminati, her grandfather is a hispanic woman, cute but not a ten, read Dominic Caseys emails if you don't believe me!"