Casey's "Emotional Breakdown" per the docs

[njustice]

She's not insane- she's personality disordered.

Agreed, but I think defense would have a better case just admitting she did it but because she is not mentally balanced rather than claiming complete innocence....

 

[jeepgirlva]

i know this isn't a popular opinion on this thread, but it's mine and i'm sticking to it.
i don't think there is anything mentally wrong w/ casey aside from the sodding obvious - sociopathy, stupidity, and the ever present 'LOOK AT MEEEEE!!!!!!!' disorder she clearly suffers from!
casey anthony murdered her child and it didn't cause her to have a breakdown.
casey anthony drove around w/ the stench of her own baby's body decomposing in the trunk of her car, breathing it in and out, and it didn't cause her to have a breakdown.
casey anthony was in a house surrounded by people 24/7 screaming 'baby killer', hot for her blood and it didn't cause her to have a breakdown.
casey anthony was indicted for killing her own little girl, arrested and jailed and it didn't cause her to have a breakdown.
i don't believe for a nanosecond that a miscarriage would cause her to have a breakdown. i'm very aware of the effects of a miscarriage as i suffered several of them, including twins and even i, w/ all the emotions she lacks, didn't have a breakdown, nor did i feel compelled to murder a tiny child b/c i had suffered a miscarriage.
the upside of being a sociopath and therefore w/o any depth of emotion is that this also includes depression. they don't get depressed, they get the blues... then 8 or 9 minutes pass and they think of something else and cheer up. that's why being imprisoned, as so many have noticed, has had little to zero effect on miss bubbly personality 2009, let alone a breakdown.
i don't even believe she had a miscarriage never mind a breakdown.
i believe she said she had a miscarriage for attention and i believe she claimed to have a breakdown for attention.
this creature accused her own father and brother of indulging in incestuious behaviour towards her ... for attention (nothing more than the aforementioned 'LOOK AT MEEEEE!!!!!!! disorder)
in perspective - a miscarriage and a mild breakdown are pretty small fish as lies for attention go in caseyland.

incidentally i'm not one of those posters who believe she's bipolar either. bipolars seem to me to be very deep, creative, sensitive and intelligent people.
hardly a description of casey.

i really don't want to argue w/ anyone (i've got the flu so if you bash me you're picking on a defenceless 5ft woman!) i just posted to get it off my last nerve, err i mean chest.

ITA KC has lied about everything else why not this.

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

Sorry, I just don't see it under ANY color lighting... nor does any mental health professional that has weighed in on this case. I have Bipolar that has only been treated properly for the last 6 years and it NEVER looked like Casey- ever, not even CLOSE! People with personality disorders sometimes have a few of the same traits but that's as close as it comes.

The first clue is that people with Bipolar have CYCLES of mania and depression.We feel guilt and shame and regret.. we are sorry for the crazy things we do while manic, many of us to the point of being filled with thoughts of suicide on a daily basis.

Originally posted by eddeva
bipolars seem to me to be very deep, creative, sensitive and intelligent people.

Originally posted by Disguiseduser0308
I believe this description of a bi-polar sufferer is true when that person is being monitored and medicated properly/appropriately. Without intervention they are often from one side of the spectrum to the other without any real ability towards balance.

You bring up interesting points about everything she has been through not causing a breakdown.

Anyway, I'm not replying to argue any of your points. Hope you feel better!

The above is my post in totality. And it's going based off my own experiences with familial interactions with bi-polar sufferers. Yes there were cycles, but the manic episodes lasted much longer than the depressive stages. Perhaps this is just a difference as we certainly can't say every sufferer goes through the exact same up/down cycle consistently. One thing that was obvious to everyone was that they really and truly couldn't help what they were doing on their own. This was all before being diagnosed and properly treated.

Considering the theories of Casey rarely being held responsible for her actions, I do believe there is more of a disconnect than most people who suffer from bi-polar disorder might feel. Part of any persons feeling guilty or having remorse might simply be because they were taught you should have either or both given a situation. As has been said before it seems that Casey was never held responsible for her actions and therefore brought us to where we are today.

Early intervention is key, otherwise these disorders only grow worse and manifest into something that no one knows what to do with. There were signs all along the way that this girl needed help.

I didn't mean to offend you, I don't want to get off on the wrong foot. But I do believe there is more than just psychopathy going on here.

 

[crete110]

IIRC, Cindy claims to have paid for everything including health insurance for Caylee.

Hmmm. So that tells me that either Cindy was covering both Casey and Caylee on her plan or they took out an individual plan for only Caylee, which doesn't seem likely to me.

I've never known an insurance to cover a non-dependent and since Cindy & George didn't have legal custody, I don't know how they would have been able to cover Caylee without Casey posing as a student some how.

 

[eddeva]

The above is my post in totality.

i agree Disguiseduser, it's your post .... so why does it say 'Originally posted by eddeva' ??

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

All fixed now, again, my apologies.

 

[eddeva]

I couldn't do a triple quote. Basically was trying to point out that that comment was replying to your statement about bi-polar sufferers. Just didn't do it right. I'll try to fix it so it's more clear. My apologies.

no need for any apologies, Disguiseduser, quoting can be tricky till you get used to it.

 

[ThoughtElf]

All about appearances.....

• Deal with issues internally, keep it in the family

• Deny externally, deny, deny, deny regardless

Absolutely!!

 

[ThoughtElf]

i know this isn't a popular opinion on this thread, but it's mine and i'm sticking to it.
i don't think there is anything mentally wrong w/ casey aside from the sodding obvious - sociopathy, stupidity, and the ever present 'LOOK AT MEEEEE!!!!!!!' disorder she clearly suffers from!
casey anthony murdered her child and it didn't cause her to have a breakdown.
casey anthony drove around w/ the stench of her own baby's body decomposing in the trunk of her car, breathing it in and out, and it didn't cause her to have a breakdown.
casey anthony was in a house surrounded by people 24/7 screaming 'baby killer', hot for her blood and it didn't cause her to have a breakdown.
casey anthony was indicted for killing her own little girl, arrested and jailed and it didn't cause her to have a breakdown.
i don't believe for a nanosecond that a miscarriage would cause her to have a breakdown. i'm very aware of the effects of a miscarriage as i suffered several of them, including twins and even i, w/ all the emotions she lacks, didn't have a breakdown, nor did i feel compelled to murder a tiny child b/c i had suffered a miscarriage.
the upside of being a sociopath and therefore w/o any depth of emotion is that this also includes depression. they don't get depressed, they get the blues... then 8 or 9 minutes pass and they think of something else and cheer up. that's why being imprisoned, as so many have noticed, has had little to zero effect on miss bubbly personality 2009, let alone a breakdown.
i don't even believe she had a miscarriage never mind a breakdown.
i believe she said she had a miscarriage for attention and i believe she claimed to have a breakdown for attention.
this creature accused her own father and brother of indulging in incestuious behaviour towards her ... for attention (nothing more than the aforementioned 'LOOK AT MEEEEE!!!!!!! disorder)
in perspective - a miscarriage and a mild breakdown are pretty small fish as lies for attention go in caseyland.

incidentally i'm not one of those posters who believe she's bipolar either. bipolars seem to me to be very deep, creative, sensitive and intelligent people.
hardly a description of casey.

i really don't want to argue w/ anyone (i've got the flu so if you bash me you're picking on a defenceless 5ft woman!) i just posted to get it off my last nerve, err i mean chest.

Shorty, I agree with you.

I could add supporting examples to each well-stated point, but chose only the bolded part as one instance: the video tapes from jail and from court should be more than enough evidence that being incarcerated has indeed had little to no effect on KC.

 

[OneLostGrl]

OLG, (in case you look back here) i'm not bipolar but like everyone else i do get depressed from time to time. thinking about it, i tend to keep phone calls short and only make them when necessary and dont spend much time on the computer when i'm, for whatever reason, low.
would i be right or wrong in thinking that if casey were bipolar, even though she texts like she's on a mission, were she at the depressive point in her cycle we'd see her cell and computer activity drop like a brick?
wouldn't she just .. not feel like she could be bothered?
would a bipolar in a depressive phase keep texting, calling, playing on myspace and clubing?

While everyone experiences things in their own kind of way, there are signs and symptoms that are known to be indicative of the illness.. called criteria. For the most part people have to meet a certain amount of the criteria in order to be diagnosed with the illness..

The National Institute of Mental Health list the following as the main signs and symptoms of Depression-

persistent sad, anxious, or "empty" mood... feelings of hopelessness, pessimism.. feelings of guilt, worthlessness, helplessness...
loss of interest or pleasure in hobbies and activities that were once enjoyed, including sex.

decreased energy, fatigue, being "slowed down".. difficulty concentrating, remembering, making decisions.
insomnia, early-morning awakening, or oversleeping.. appetite and/or weight loss or overeating and weight gain.

thoughts of death or suicide; suicide attempts..restlessness, irritability..
persistent physical symptoms that do not respond to treatment, such as headaches, digestive disorders, and chronic pain.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=18543

To answer your question, it is MO that a depressed person, Bipolar depression or not does not go about their life as usual in the manner Casey has done.. Nor does a Manic person stay in a mania as long as people think Casey has. If Casey was manic in the months leading up to and during Caylee's death (the texting, clubbing, screwing men, stealing etc that people want to blame on a mania), she would have "crashed" by now. A mania for for a year or more?! I doubt it!

There are now many forms of Bipolar...and it is very easy for many people to be dx'd in this category. For instance...you don't have to cycle.....you can experience mania and depression at the same time. You don't have to exhibit loads of energy (it may be just your mind racing, not your body) and you would experience depression at the same time...they call it Bipolar mixed. However, both Cindy and her are anxious but I think it is personality-driven and is histrionic in nature, more so than straight anxiety or mania

If Ed Kemper is sitting in prison for all the brutal murders he has done and w/o an insanity plea...there is no way Casey could plead "insanity". I expect her team to plea her out to a "nice" prison or mental facility though so she can avoid a harsh environment....well, they can try...lol

You are correct, there are several types of Bipolar disorder (Bipolar is considered an "affective" disorder now) and one can have "mixed episodes"
but it remains a Cyclic disorder. There are periods of "normal" then mania or mixed or psychosis (or whatever it is you experience) then the sufferer crashes. The "high" doesn't stay, it cycles, always... regardless of what type of Bipolar you have. You always crash- always.

 

[OneLostGrl]

Hmmm. So that tells me that either Cindy was covering both Casey and Caylee on her plan or they took out an individual plan for only Caylee, which doesn't seem likely to me.

I've never known an insurance to cover a non-dependent and since Cindy & George didn't have legal custody, I don't know how they would have been able to cover Caylee without Casey posing as a student some how.

She was probably lying to make herself look good. Caylee was probably on medicaid. MO

 

[ThoughtElf]

OLG, (in case you look back here) i'm not bipolar but like everyone else i do get depressed from time to time. thinking about it, i tend to keep phone calls short and only make them when necessary and dont spend much time on the computer when i'm, for whatever reason, low.
would i be right or wrong in thinking that if casey were bipolar, even though she texts like she's on a mission, were she at the depressive point in her cycle we'd see her cell and computer activity drop like a brick?
wouldn't she just .. not feel like she could be bothered?
would a bipolar in a depressive phase keep texting, calling, playing on myspace and clubing?

OLG will have a much better answer, but I will chime in with an opinion here.

Depends on the bipolar and the nature of the cycle/state.

In a more predominantly depressed state, yes, the person would likely limit communications with the outside world, and would have a 'can't be bothered' outlook.

If the person was experiencing a 'mixed' state, both manic and depressed at the same time, it is possible that they might not communicate much or well with real people, but may still spend hours surfing the net, playing pc games, or anything of the kind where they didn't feel responsible for taking care or or maintaining a conversation or relationship. Alternately, they may need to talk incessantly with a specific person about their blues.

OLG? Thoughts? Pick it apart or add to it?

 

[OneLostGrl]

Shorty, I agree with you.

I could add supporting examples to each well-stated point, but chose only the bolded part as one instance: the video tapes from jail and from court should be more than enough evidence that being incarcerated has indeed had little to no effect on KC.

She probably feels free for the first time in her life. I hope she rots.

 

[txsvicki]

My first thought was that Casey was just conning Annie into getting some xanax or other medication. Maybe a few, just for sympathy. But, to tell Annie that she felt "crazy" was odd, and then to immediately get over it. Who knows. I do think that Casey has symptoms of mental illness from things that have been reported by friends. Unusually high energy, constant talking, not sleeping much, never wanting to be alone, irritable, easily upset,stealing, lying, sexual promiscuity, and possibly even psychosis at time with the accusing others of things they never even did. The reported jealousy of Cindy was abnormal and more than just being spiteful IMO. Some people can have mostly mania and there is another bipolar disorder that shows up as only mania that is manageable. I forgot the name of it, but read that it's thought to be inherited. One generation might have full blown bipolar and the next generation will have the mild form, and so on.

 

[OneLostGrl]

OLG will have a much better answer, but I will chime in with an opinion here.

Depends on the bipolar and the nature of the cycle/state.

In a more predominantly depressed state, yes, the person would likely limit communications with the outside world, and would have a bit of a 'can't be bothered' outlook.

If the person was experiencing a 'mixed' state, both manic and depressed at the same time, it is possible that they might not communicate much or well with real people, but may still spend hours surfing the net, playing pc games, or anything of the kind where they didn't feel responsible for taking care or or maintaining a conversation or relationship. Alternately, they may need to talk incessantly with a specific person about their blues.

OLG? Thoughts? Pick it apart or add to it?

LOL- good point about the internet time while in mixed state. I totally agree! You can give what you are able but not have to deal with the pressure and responsibility of any real realationship... and you can bail whenever ya need to.

 

[2goldfish]

I knew a girl once who KC reminds me a little bit of --- the cutesy lovey friendly BFF friendship and then, the lies and stealing!

If KC had gone postal crazy immediately I would think she were just like this girl (who would have).... meaning, not a sociopath but definitely narcissistic/histrionic...but she didn't. so I think the breakdown was fake and the pregnancy was fake. for attention. and when she got it she was all, oh, nevermind, I am fine now.

 

[eddeva]

OLG will have a much better answer, but I will chime in with an opinion here.

Depends on the bipolar and the nature of the cycle/state.

In a more predominantly depressed state, yes, the person would likely limit communications with the outside world, and would have a 'can't be bothered' outlook.

If the person was experiencing a 'mixed' state, both manic and depressed at the same time, it is possible that they might not communicate much or well with real people, but may still spend hours surfing the net, playing pc games, or anything of the kind where they didn't feel responsible for taking care or or maintaining a conversation or relationship. Alternately, they may need to talk incessantly with a specific person about their blues.

OLG? Thoughts? Pick it apart or add to it?

While everyone experiences things in their own kind of way, there are signs and symptoms that are known to be indicative of the illness.. called criteria. For the most part people have to meet a certain amount of the criteria in order to be diagnosed with the illness..

The National Institute of Mental Health list the following as the main signs and symptoms of Depression-

persistent sad, anxious, or "empty" mood... feelings of hopelessness, pessimism.. feelings of guilt, worthlessness, helplessness...
loss of interest or pleasure in hobbies and activities that were once enjoyed, including sex.

decreased energy, fatigue, being "slowed down".. difficulty concentrating, remembering, making decisions.
insomnia, early-morning awakening, or oversleeping.. appetite and/or weight loss or overeating and weight gain.

thoughts of death or suicide; suicide attempts..restlessness, irritability..
persistent physical symptoms that do not respond to treatment, such as headaches, digestive disorders, and chronic pain.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=18543

To answer your question, it is MO that a depressed person, Bipolar depression or not does not go about their life as usual in the manner Casey has done.. Nor does a Manic person stay in a mania as long as people think Casey has. If Casey was manic in the months leading up to and during Caylee's death (the texting, clubbing, screwing men, stealing etc that people want to blame on a mania), she would have "crashed" by now. A mania for for a year or more?! I doubt it!

OLG and pots, thank you both for your insights - gawd knows if anyone on this forum needs help w/ insights on a regular basis it's me :waitasec:

 

[LinasK]

Why do people think she would go to a dr for a "miscarriage" when she didnt even go to the dr until 7-8 MONTHS pregnant with Caylee? I dont really think she had one, I think it was drama for Brandon blowing her off and she couldnt understand why.

I agree.

 

[eddeva]

Shorty, I agree with you.

hold the phone ... i just saw this ...

ok i'm only letting you away with that coz it's so damn funny

 

[Oakley]

If Casey were truly in emotional distress, she would have sought out a mental health professional long before last July. Given her histrionic personality, I think she was merely seeking attention. JMO.