Casey's Lies

[Muzikman]

I was looking in Wftv’s evidence archives on the case against Casey. Near the bottom I found Investigators Grill Casey parts 1 and 2. I listened to both parts again.

The detectives asked where did you drop Caylee off on June 9th? They mentioned June 9th a couple times, and they referenced 5 weeks ago several times. They had been misinformed about the date, the mix up being attributed to CA later. However, if they actually had looked at video footage from June 9th, and KC had dropped Caylee off on June 16th, then the tapes from June 9th would not have shown KC dropping Caylee off. I think the detectives were being deceptive to KC about ever looking at any videos, just trying to get her to tell the truth.

June 9th and or 5 weeks sounded confusing since 5 weeks is 35 days. CA’s 911 call was on the 15th of July, 31 days prior to that day would have been Saturday June 14th, Father’s day was Sunday June 15th 30 days prior to the 911 call, and Monday June 16th, allegedly the day Caylee disappeared would have been 29 days prior to the 911 call. So, now that I have thoroughly confused myself, I have a question, Did KC say she had not seen her daughter for 31 days on the same day CA made the 911 call? If that is correct then KC had not seen Caylee since Saturday June 14th, which would make CA the last one who had seen Caylee alive, except that would make GA/s statements that he saw Caylee and KC on the 16th a lie. Or, it hadn’t really been 31 days, as so often is referred to, but had been 29 days and GA was telling the truth and saw them on June 16th and KC was the last one known to have been with Caylee. Have I confused any one else as much as I have now confused myself LOL.

In listening to those tapes, it is apparent that KC had lied more than once. The thing that I found most interesting was the details about Zanny. If Zanny is a complete fabrication, as most believe, then KC is far and away the best, most convincing liar I have ever heard tell a tall tale. Not only did KC give the detectives many details about Zanny, not the kind of details you make up on the fly, but details that you have told repeatedly to other people, because those same other people confirmed that KC had told them the same things about Zanny, and this entire Zanny fabrication had been going on for years. Talk about living a lie, KC was definitely living the Zanny lie, if indeed no Zanny exists. If KC is a sociopath liar (or whatever the proper term is), then she simply incorporated this Zanny lie she had been living for a couple of years into her story while talking to the detectives. Since she had obviously been lying about Zanny for all this time, it would have been much harder for the detectives to trip her up in regards to Zanny. To top it all of, she has never admitted to Zanny not existing. Even after many months of incarceration, and having a DP hang over her head. As more than one poster has said, she will take her lies all the way to the grave. I’ve never met any liar who was that committed to sticking with their lies.

BBM

She's not only a spiteful biotch, but a STUBBORN biotch. :banghead:

And if she admits to no nanny, she also loses the civil case, immediately.

 

[notthatsmart]

Kc never changed her story from June 9th. Many believe she said she dropped Caylee off on June 16th, but she never did. It is not in any of those documents. Her story is that she dropped Caylee off on June 9th. We may think that is not possible, but heck so many twist in this case. Many base their findings or conclusions because she lies, but I can not logically base my conclusions on lies. As bad as it is, with all the lies and all the investigation, and all the evidence, to me, Her story is still the only one that makes sense, and I can't get past that. How could have anyone premeditated all these lies and these story lines. How could the liar sit under such great pressure and not crack, how could she be the first mother to not claim insanity, how could there be no smoking gun, how can she be this great Genius. Moo

 

[whiteangora]

Kc never changed her story from June 9th. Many believe she said she dropped Caylee off on June 16th, but she never did. It is not in any of those documents. Her story is that she dropped Caylee off on June 9th. We may think that is not possible, but heck so many twist in this case. Many base their findings or conclusions because she lies, but I can not logically base my conclusions on lies. As bad as it is, with all the lies and all the investigation, and all the evidence, to me, Her story is still the only one that makes sense, and I can't get past that. How could have anyone premeditated all these lies and these story lines. How could the liar sit under such great pressure and not crack, how could she be the first mother to not claim insanity, how could there be no smoking gun, how can she be this great Genius. Moo

If we want to believe that Casey dropped Caylee off on the 9th, then we have to acknowledge that 'somebody' picked her up and took her home. Otherwise how could she have made a guest appearance at the nursing home on Father's Day, June 15 ?
You ask how a liar could sit under such pressure.....just think Diane Downs, she still claims innocence. Casey is no genius, far from it, kinda dumb actually...imo.

 

[notthatsmart]

If we want to believe that Casey dropped Caylee off on the 9th, then we have to acknowledge that 'somebody' picked her up and took her home. Otherwise how could she have made a guest appearance at the nursing home on Father's Day, June 15 ?
You ask how a liar could sit under such pressure.....just think Diane Downs, she still claims innocence. Casey is no genius, far from it, kinda dumb actually...imo.

Yeah, it sounds like everyone was confused at the time. I mean everyone including the police, Ca, La, Ga and Kc. I suppose it is possible that she did drop her off at a babysitter and then pick her up and take her home, and just got confused about the dates. She was under heavy intterrogation. IMO

I just watched the Diane Downs story tonight on Tv. She does not seem like Kc at all in anyway to me. She is much more like Ca. Just can't keep quiet. Diane Downs story did not make any sense. To drive on a dark country road in the middle of the night with kids sleeping in the back, stopping for a bushy haired stranger. Didnt make any sense. I see no comparisons at all.

I think the police should investigate more into June 9th. Moo

 

[okiedokietoo]

I don't believe she is a genius. And I think she is capable of sitting in jail etc because she is a sociopath i.e. no conscience

http://personalitydisorders.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_signs_of_a_sociopath
The Signs of a Sociopath
These people are not certifiably mentally ill; they are biological carriers of socially and personally problematic traits.
...
These characteristics can disrupt relationships, create financial and emotional crises, and, at their worst, lead the person to callously undertake acts of vandalism, theft, rape or murder.
...
The Absence of Feelings
The key trait of sociopaths is that they don't feel. They may seem to laugh or cry but they present with no depth of emotion. While easily provoked to frustration or rage, their display of feeling is little more than a momentary, isolated temper tantrum.

 

[okiedokietoo]

(respectfully snipped)
I think the police should investigate more into June 9th. Moo

So you think June 9th holds the Key? Some have speculated that this is when one of possibly many fights took place between CA and KC.

 

[notthatsmart]

Just because the Sa has not released evidence of Kc's employment records does not mean that she was not employed. I can't wait until trial to see how the employment lies come out. Her phone text refer to work a lot. I have known some pretty big liars in my life time. I can't really say pathological liar because I will admit, I really do not know the definition to that. I think for someone to be determined a pathological liar, they would have to be examined in person by a Doctor and not through press releases. These Doctors that try to stick their neck out and examine someone through media clips know that you could never do that officially, you would need to be liscensed and you would need to examine the patient in person. So, I will not sit here and say I know a pathological liar, because I don't. I think many people think they do. Thats my opinion

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Kc never changed her story from June 9th. Many believe she said she dropped Caylee off on June 16th, but she never did. It is not in any of those documents. Her story is that she dropped Caylee off on June 9th. We may think that is not possible, but heck so many twist in this case. Many base their findings or conclusions because she lies, but I can not logically base my conclusions on lies. As bad as it is, with all the lies and all the investigation, and all the evidence, to me, Her story is still the only one that makes sense, and I can't get past that. How could have anyone premeditated all these lies and these story lines. How could the liar sit under such great pressure and not crack, how could she be the first mother to not claim insanity, how could there be no smoking gun, how can she be this great Genius. Moo

Here she claims June 15, 2008.

MOTION TO INSPECT, TEST AND PHOTOGRAPH EVIDENCE HELD BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA, 10/03/2008:

"FACTS
On August 5, 2008, the defendant was formally charged with one count of child neglect, a third degree felony and one count of Obstructing a Criminal Investigation, a first degree misdemeanor, in violation of Fla. Stat S 837.055. The charges stemmed from the Defendant's report to local police that her two-year-old daughter had been missing since June 15, 2008. Law enforcement maintained . . ."
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_DefenseMotion100308.htm (page 3)

If her "story" keeps changing aren't they lies?

 

[sleutherontheside]

Just because the Sa has not released evidence of Kc's employment records does not mean that she was not employed. I can't wait until trial to see how the employment lies come out. Her phone text refer to work a lot. I have known some pretty big liars in my life time. I can't really say pathological liar because I will admit, I really do not know the definition to that. I think for someone to be determined a pathological liar, they would have to be examined in person by a Doctor and not through press releases. These Doctors that try to stick their neck out and examine someone through media clips know that you could never do that officially, you would need to be liscensed and you would need to examine the patient in person. So, I will not sit here and say I know a pathological liar, because I don't. I think many people think they do. Thats my opinion

Actually...here is a link to the info regarding KC's employment with Universal....
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19736433/detail.html

Please note.....any records pertaining to fictitious employment may not be available.

 

[notthatsmart]

So you think June 9th holds the Key? Some have speculated that this is when one of possibly many fights took place between CA and KC.

I do not know what holds the key. What I do know though, is that the police did not know, nor did anyone else during that interrogation. I think they still do not know. Heck, I thought she slept with ricardo that night, but I really do not know who to believe or who has their story straight, to include LE. I think she prolly fought with Ca all the time and I mean on a regular basis. Even though I feel somewhat sorry for her, I could not even imagine living with CA. Moo

I feel talking about June 9th and the Interrogation out at Universal is on topic, since that is prolly where the police are getting their Lie charges. IMO

 

[The World According]

If we want to believe that Casey dropped Caylee off on the 9th, then we have to acknowledge that 'somebody' picked her up and took her home. Otherwise how could she have made a guest appearance at the nursing home on Father's Day, June 15 ?
You ask how a liar could sit under such pressure.....just think Diane Downs, she still claims innocence. Casey is no genius, far from it, kinda dumb actually...imo.

Don't worry about that nonsense friend. She is on videotape telling Lee at the jail that of course it wasn't the 9th, that in all the confusion she had heard Cindy use that date, after thinking it over she realized that was a mistake. He was telling her, hello.....come in Tokyo...don't you think, darlin' that it would be exceedingly helpful to correct that wrong information you gave them? She is on record many times with the 31 days and then there is this jailhouse visit where she concurs it was not the 9th. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm-DK2Cd0RM[/ame] (Lee tells Tony in the car on video that she lies, always lies, and everything she ever told him was B S!)
Anyone can see, through her speech, her behavior, her writings and the easily disprovable lies, she is not a very well educated girl and that is putting it politely. She certainly is emotionally unintelligent, and in my opinion a sociopath.That is what Cindy told Ryan, she is a sociopath! She feels no pressure because nothing and no one matters to her, without empathy she can lie and believe her lies, she has personality disorders, pathological narcissism, etc.
In my opinion, what the defense is trying to secrete right now are mental health experts, and there is no question the defense will claim she had a limited capacity to understand right and wrong...the nature of the consequences of her actions. It is just a matter of time, but that is the defense destination. It wont fly, but I do believe the bag of SODDI is getting a little empty!

 

[cecybeans]

LE is only the last of a long list of people who knew KC who have indicated she lied continuously. Kio, Jesse, Ryan P, Amy - it's almost the most consistent part of anyone's description of her.

Apparently there are differences between "pathological" and "compulsive" liars, but both appear to be non-clinical terms. I would think it's just as okay to say pathological because it's commonly used in conversation. Or, as JG put it, "diabolical".

Either way, KC and lies are no strangers.

 

[whiteangora]

Don't worry about that nonsense friend. She is on videotape telling Lee at the jail that of course it wasn't the 9th, that in all the confusion she had heard Cindy use that date, after thinking it over she realized that was a mistake. He was telling her, hello.....come in Tokyo...don't you think, darlin' that it would be exceedingly helpful to correct that wrong information you gave them? She is on record many times with the 31 days and then there is this jailhouse visit where she concurs it was not the 9th.
Anyone can see, through her speech, her behavior, her writings and the easily disprovable lies, she is not a very well educated girl and that is putting it politely. She certainly is emotionally unintelligent, and in my opinion a sociopath. She feels no pressure because nothing and no one matters to her, without empathy she can lie and believe her lies, she has personality disorders, etc.
In my opinion, what the defense is trying to secrete right now are mental health experts, and there is no question the defense will claim she had a limited capacity to understand the nature of the consequences of her actions. It is just a matter of time, but that is the defense destination.

Thank you so much for refreshing my memory about her setting the date right with Lee. Those jailhouse talks seem like a lifetime ago, so much to remember with this situation. I feel better now.
:blowkiss:

 

[The World According]

LE is only the last of a long list of people who knew KC who have indicated she lied continuously. Kio, Jesse, Ryan P, Amy - it's almost the most consistent part of anyone's description of her.

Apparently there are differences between "pathological" and "compulsive" liars, but both appear to be non-clinical terms. I would think it's just as okay to say pathological because it's commonly used in conversation. Or, as JG put it, "diabolical".

Either way, KC and lies are no strangers.

I agree!

Yes, and she has six felony convictions for crimes of dishonesty to illustrate the record is replete with examples. She lies.

Furthermore, where I get off having the nerve to call her a sociopath when I am not a doctor is.....I am quoting her own MOTHER!
You just can't make this stuff up!!!!

 

[Muzikman]

Don't worry about that nonsense friend. She is on videotape telling Lee at the jail that of course it wasn't the 9th, that in all the confusion she had heard Cindy use that date, after thinking it over she realized that was a mistake. He was telling her, hello.....come in Tokyo...don't you think, darlin' that it would be exceedingly helpful to correct that wrong information you gave them? She is on record many times with the 31 days and then there is this jailhouse visit where she concurs it was not the 9th.
Anyone can see, through her speech, her behavior, her writings and the easily disprovable lies, she is not a very well educated girl and that is putting it politely. She certainly is emotionally unintelligent, and in my opinion a sociopath. She feels no pressure because nothing and no one matters to her, without empathy she can lie and believe her lies, she has personality disorders, pathological narcissism, etc.
In my opinion, what the defense is trying to secrete right now are mental health experts, and there is no question the defense will claim she had a limited capacity to understand right and wrong...the nature of the consequences of her actions. It is just a matter of time, but that is the defense destination.

Jbean was looking for that info earlier. Thanks for finding it TWA!

You ROCK!!!!

 

[cecybeans]

Don't worry about that nonsense friend. She is on videotape telling Lee at the jail that of course it wasn't the 9th, that in all the confusion she had heard Cindy use that date, after thinking it over she realized that was a mistake. He was telling her, hello.....come in Tokyo...don't you think, darlin' that it would be exceedingly helpful to correct that wrong information you gave them? She is on record many times with the 31 days and then there is this jailhouse visit where she concurs it was not the 9th.
Anyone can see, through her speech, her behavior, her writings and the easily disprovable lies, she is not a very well educated girl and that is putting it politely. She certainly is emotionally unintelligent, and in my opinion a sociopath. She feels no pressure because nothing and no one matters to her, without empathy she can lie and believe her lies, she has personality disorders, pathological narcissism, etc.
In my opinion, what the defense is trying to secrete right now are mental health experts, and there is no question the defense will claim she had a limited capacity to understand right and wrong...the nature of the consequences of her actions. It is just a matter of time, but that is the defense destination.

ITA - but I seriously doubt the defense will ever get by with claiming a limited capacity to understand right and wrong. If that were true, she would have immediately reported her daughter missing instead of engaging in an elaborate cover-up to include descriptions to both friends and family about Caylee's whereabouts and activities. She would not have hidden away at her boyfriend du jour's apartment and sneaked into the Anthony home to steal food and gas only while her parents were sure to be away. She wouldn't have split the minute she heard that her brother had been sent to look for her. She wouldn't have invented the out of town trips to Tampa and Jacksonville to keep people from expecting Caylee to come home. She wouldn't have invented a person to take the fall for her and explain why Caylee could not be produced. If Caylee's death had actually happened to be an accident, she would not have attempted to cover it up with duct tape. She wouldn't have invented the squirrel smell story or abandoned the car. She wouldn't have acted like some covert operative afraid of getting caught if she had no sense of right and wrong. Of course she knew, every activity and behavior she engaged in afterward was basically a premeditated attempt to avoid detection.

I'm sure that the defense will pull some sort of personality disorder out of their hat as a mitigating circumstance. And it may mitigate a jury from sentencing her to death. But I doubt it will do anything more than keep her in jail for the rest of her life.

 

[okiedokietoo]

Does it not require a Doctors degree, a liscense and an in person examination to state that officially? thanks

Yeal...it does.
I was just going with MO and what I know from released evidence and what she has said that has been proven to be lies and her sort of lack of emotion and initial jail visits where she just wants her boyfriends phone number and all that seems to fit up with her very very possibly being a sociopath based on the traits of sociopaths. (plus other traits too numerous to list)

If I had said "she is an evil liar rotten to the core", I wouldn't need a Doctors' Degree to say that. Although, that would be an in-my-gut type statement coming from a emotional place and not based on anything and of no use and would not have contributed anything to this thread.

 

[notthatsmart]

Here she claims June 15, 2008.

MOTION TO INSPECT, TEST AND PHOTOGRAPH EVIDENCE HELD BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA, 10/03/2008:

"FACTS
On August 5, 2008, the defendant was formally charged with one count of child neglect, a third degree felony and one count of Obstructing a Criminal Investigation, a first degree misdemeanor, in violation of Fla. Stat S 837.055. The charges stemmed from the Defendant's report to local police that her two-year-old daughter had been missing since June 15, 2008[/B]. Law enforcement maintained . . ."
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_DefenseMotion100308.htm (page 3)

If her "story" keeps changing aren't they lies?

I see that where other people claim that to include her lawyers, but where does she actually say that? I have read her report the night of the 911 call, the interview the night of the 911 call by Yuri, and the interrogation out at universal. I have not seen or heard that anywhere. So, when did she report that she had been missing since June 15th? And why is that not in discovery? or is it and I just can't find it?

 

[The World According]

Thanks,my favorite admission of hers is just a very simple exchange at Universal.... One of the detectives... why are we here.. all the way up here, how did we get here and why?
She replies, Yes, because I brought you here, because I lied.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rA4nBgphfQ[/ame]
By no stretch of the imagination are they confused, they know she is lying!!!!! Anyone saying differently is just having a little fun with us. No one believes that. I am certain.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxVfaLPM2Is[/ame]
If these police interviews get played at trial...it is over!

 

[The World According]

Oh my goodness, listen ... she lies about talking to Caylee on the phone.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQaBs6S4ZTA[/ame]
Casey, " I purposely misled you!" she says to the detective. She admits on this tape alone that she lied, she admits to lying several times, including my all time favorite walking "with a purpose" down the hall to nowhere at Universal Studios.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rA4nBgphfQ[/ame]
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxVfaLPM2Is[/ame]
She admits here to many, many lies about the various and sundry apartments and homes she took them on the wild goose chases on.