Casey's Pants & the Knife and The Cleaning of the Pontiac

[Rumpole]

Ugh so the "stainless steel knife" was recovered with the remains. Thank you for taking the time to find the correct info!! I appreciate.

Page 42 refers to inspection of evidence Item #H-51975.
That is evidence box containing evidence collected from the car. (see page2)??

 

[cloud9]

or maybe a storage facility ...

Or maybe the Brackenwood house?

 

[Crafti]

Ok, today on HLN I saw that attorney guy Mark Eg--- something, again say something about KC slicing up Caylee!!!! Today he said she was "accused of killing and dismembering her body". What is up with this? Anyone else see it? Unfortunately I was working and not paying that much attention to exactly what show was on. It was around 3pm today. . . .

 

[Theonly1]

Maybe this is a better place for this post:

As I was woken from peacefully sleeping in the chair last night and told to go to bed, I then laid in bed for 2 hours, listening to Mr. Theonly1 snore, and thought about this case.

I was thinking about what GA allegedly saw Casey and Caylee wearing on June 16th (Casey in the gray pants with cream colored blouse) and Caylee in the outfit that she was NOT found with). I started wondering about the gray pants and them allegedly being found in the sunfire and washed by Cindy (thereby proving they were stinky).

Follow me on this for a minute:

1. Casey was seen on the Blockbuster video surveillance camera on June 16th NOT wearing the outfit George said he saw her in mid-afternoon.

2. Caylee was found with clothing that was NOT the clothing GA alleges she was wearing on June 16th.

So, either Casey and Caylee BOTH changed clothes or GA is mis-remembering or misstating the facts. WHY would he do this?

I can "buy" that Casey wore the nice gray dress pants to put on a front for George that she was going to "work". But the outfit she was wearing at Blockbuster was absolutely not a "work" outfit and not what George said she was wearing.

Could Casey have changed clothes for the benefit of hanging out with TonyL? Maybe. But she would have likely MILKED the "I was at work" scenario and shown up at Tony's wearing the "work" outfit and then changed into the casual clothes (thereby leaving the work outfit at his apartment with her bags and not in the backseat of the sunfire). So, WHY were the gray pants left in the sunfire? We know that the decomp would NOT have been runny and staining her clothes on June 16 if she had just killed Caylee. Further, if blood was of a concern (i.e., changed the clothes due them becoming bloody) then blood would have been found on the clothes because it is a MUCH harder substance to totally remove from miscroscopic examination.

So, I am thinking that George simply had it wrong or did not see Casey and Caylee on the 16th. Why?

I think poor Caylee was killed on the 15th and into the early wee hours of the 16th. Why? Because items of convenience from the bedrooms were found with the body (the Pooh blanket, clothes she had on from the 15th in my opinion, the hamper liner, etc., the heart sticker (doubt that was from Tony's home).

Cindy has stated on record that SHE did NOT see Caylee and Casey on June 16th but she "heard them breathing". HUH? I don't know of any house with a small toddler who would CLOSE THE DOOR to the child's bedroom (or the bedroom of the mother if toddler was sleeping with Mom). I can simply envisage Cindy A. pausing outside a locked door (speculation) and saying that she "heard them breathing". It is such a strange damn comment to me. Why pause outside a closed door? Because that door was LOCKED perhaps? Perhaps locked after a blow-up fight on June 15th that NOBODY wants to mention to LE?


I'm speculating here but I don't think George saw either of his "girls" on the 16th.

I think Casey wore the "dress" pants when she and TonyL. went to interview and look for apartments (or something). And maybe she wore them the next day she dumped Caylee and spilled some decomp on the pants or was simply grossed out by the action and put the stinky pants in the car (i.e., not at Tony's and not back in her luggage as it was TOO GROSS).

Then you ask, how would GA know about the gray pants to tell LE that was the last outfit he saw Casey wearing? Well, that was the outfit left in the car in which Cindy washed!

The devil is in the details...

 

[zoey]

Maybe this is a better place for this post:

As I was woken from peacefully sleeping in the chair last night and told to go to bed, I then laid in bed for 2 hours, listening to Mr. Theonly1 snore, and thought about this case.

I was thinking about what GA allegedly saw Casey and Caylee wearing on June 16th (Casey in the gray pants with cream colored blouse) and Caylee in the outfit that she was NOT found with). I started wondering about the gray pants and them allegedly being found in the sunfire and washed by Cindy (thereby proving they were stinky).

Follow me on this for a minute:

1. Casey was seen on the Blockbuster video surveillance camera on June 16th NOT wearing the outfit George said he saw her in mid-afternoon.

2. Caylee was found with clothing that was NOT the clothing GA alleges she was wearing on June 16th.

So, either Casey and Caylee BOTH changed clothes or GA is mis-remembering or misstating the facts. WHY would he do this?

I can "buy" that Casey wore the nice gray dress pants to put on a front for George that she was going to "work". But the outfit she was wearing at Blockbuster was absolutely not a "work" outfit and not what George said she was wearing.

Could Casey have changed clothes for the benefit of hanging out with TonyL? Maybe. But she would have likely MILKED the "I was at work" scenario and shown up at Tony's wearing the "work" outfit and then changed into the casual clothes (thereby leaving the work outfit at his apartment with her bags and not in the backseat of the sunfire). So, WHY were the gray pants left in the sunfire? We know that the decomp would NOT have been runny and staining her clothes on June 16 if she had just killed Caylee. Further, if blood was of a concern (i.e., changed the clothes due them becoming bloody) then blood would have been found on the clothes because it is a MUCH harder substance to totally remove from miscroscopic examination.

So, I am thinking that George simply had it wrong or did not see Casey and Caylee on the 16th. Why?

I think poor Caylee was killed on the 15th and into the early wee hours of the 16th. Why? Because items of convenience from the bedrooms were found with the body (the Pooh blanket, clothes she had on from the 15th in my opinion, the hamper liner, etc., the heart sticker (doubt that was from Tony's home).

Cindy has stated on record that SHE did NOT see Caylee and Casey on June 16th but she "heard them breathing". HUH? I don't know of any house with a small toddler who would CLOSE THE DOOR to the child's bedroom (or the bedroom of the mother if toddler was sleeping with Mom). I can simply envisage Cindy A. pausing outside a locked door (speculation) and saying that she "heard them breathing". It is such a strange damn comment to me. Why pause outside a closed door? Because that door was LOCKED perhaps? Perhaps locked after a blow-up fight on June 15th that NOBODY wants to mention to LE?


I'm speculating here but I don't think George saw either of his "girls" on the 16th.

I think Casey wore the "dress" pants when she and TonyL. went to interview and look for apartments (or something). And maybe she wore them the next day she dumped Caylee and spilled some decomp on the pants or was simply grossed out by the action and put the stinky pants in the car (i.e., not at Tony's and not back in her luggage as it was TOO GROSS).

Then you ask, how would GA know about the gray pants to tell LE that was the last outfit he saw Casey wearing? Well, that was the outfit left in the car in which Cindy washed!

The devil is in the details...

kc also stated she worked 9-1pm.....really blows ga story of 12:50pm....kc should have been at work....and I'm not getting into ca tucking them in on the 15th after a fun filled evening in aland.....:twocents::bang::furious:

 

[elle1919]

Ok, today on HLN I saw that attorney guy Mark Eg--- something, again say something about KC slicing up Caylee!!!! Today he said she was "accused of killing and dismembering her body". What is up with this? Anyone else see it? Unfortunately I was working and not paying that much attention to exactly what show was on. It was around 3pm today. . . .

Sorry just now getting around to reading this thread, but to answer you, I heard him say that too and I was like what dismembered? I rewound the dvr and yup that is what he said. Of course we know that isn't true ....Caylee wasn't dismembered. Sensationalism. That guy has been bugging me lately.....LoL

 

[3girls]

Did KC work on the 15th? If so, the pants could have been what she was wearing that night.

 

[elle1919]

Did KC work on the 15th? If so, the pants could have been what she was wearing that night.

LOL.....do you mean...did Casey pretend to work on the 15th? The 15th was the day Caylee went to the nursing home with Cindy and also the night the fight was supposed to have taken place over money issues that Cindy found out while with her parents that day. So I am not sure if Casey pretended to work that day or not...lol

 

[static]

Casey had also left her purse in the car. I believe she wanted to stage a kidnap scene type thing. What female(including myself) doesn't go banana's when they do not have their purse>?? Would be calling everywhere to see where I left it! I think she was going to burn the body and drive off into the sunset with Tony, never intending for anyone to hear from her again. I think she got scared that a fire would draw attention, but I really believe she left those clothes in the car on purpose. To make it look as though her and Caylee were just snatched from the car. JMO

 

[Atlanta PI]

Actually what George said was a purse turned out to be a CD case.

 

[txsvicki]

I think it's really weird to have several empty velveeta boxes lying around in a trunk. That stuff is too rich to just slice off and eat. If it was trash from Tony's then maybe they had eaten nachos or mac n cheese. If the knife was found in the bag with Caylee's body then it must have been used in the murder somehow. Maybe to hold down some nozzle to make sure the chloroform or some other inhalant dripped or sprayed for long enough.

 

[MaraSleuth]

Maybe this is a better place for this post:

I don't know of any house with a small toddler who would CLOSE THE DOOR to the child's bedroom (or the bedroom of the mother if toddler was sleeping with Mom). I can simply envisage Cindy A. pausing outside a locked door (speculation) and saying that she "heard them breathing". It is such a strange damn comment to me. Why pause outside a closed door? Because that door was LOCKED perhaps? Perhaps locked after a blow-up fight on June 15th that NOBODY wants to mention to LE?

I do this all the time with my 3 yr old son. His room is always closed. With me sleeping with him as well. Did you know you should close bedroom doors in case of a fire? Anyway, I check at the door to listen to what he is doing in the morning. It is guaranteed if I opened the door to check - he would wake up. We don't get much sleep here - so anything to get him to sleep longer.

 

[Theonly1]

I do this all the time with my 3 yr old son. His room is always closed. With me sleeping with him as well. Did you know you should close bedroom doors in case of a fire? Anyway, I check at the door to listen to what he is doing in the morning. It is guaranteed if I opened the door to check - he would wake up. We don't get much sleep here - so anything to get him to sleep longer.

I never thought of that (fire hazard) and I don't have children so I'm definitely not an authority.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Actually what George said was a purse turned out to be a CD case.

Interesting. I must have missed that.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Sorry just now getting around to reading this thread, but to answer you, I heard him say that too and I was like what dismembered? I rewound the dvr and yup that is what he said. Of course we know that isn't true ....Caylee wasn't dismembered. Sensationalism. That guy has been bugging me lately.....LoL

How would we know that it isn't true? LE or the ME have not released everything yet.

 

[Bobbisangel]

There is a picture of Caylee and you can see it is recent and she has that baby with the pink clothes on...if that was her fav, and that was the one found in the car, then maybe there was something on the clothes and they removed them? How will we ever figure this out without her mother to co-operate?

It could be that Caylee took the clothes off of the doll and they were in the car somewhere or in the house. Little kids do take the clothes off of their dolls unless the clothes are a part of the dolls body.

 

[Hot Dogs]

Actually what George said was a purse turned out to be a CD case.

The doc dump names a "leather bag" in evidence from the car. That sounds like it could be a purse or handbag. Do you have special information that this actually was a CD case?

 

[mydailyopinions]

How would we know that it isn't true? LE or the ME have not released everything yet.

I am frightened with the thought of Caylee being cut up. If this turns out to be true..I am afraid of the hate that will take over my heart..I have hated everything that Casey has done, but tried not to hate her..I think this would put me right over the edge!
I am afraid that because we don't know anything more right now, that it will be huge news to come

 

[Rumpole]

The doc dump names a "leather bag" in evidence from the car. That sounds like it could be a purse or handbag. Do you have special information that this actually was a CD case?

I think there were both (Heaven help me)

p3175: "black case with CD's" (Can not find an evidence number)

p3174: In the bag of stuff that Cindy handed over "black leather bag" (art#6 #H-51975)

 

[debs]

I am frightened with the thought of Caylee being cut up. If this turns out to be true..I am afraid of the hate that will take over my heart..I have hated everything that Casey has done, but tried not to hate her..I think this would put me right over the edge!
I am afraid that because we don't know anything more right now, that it will be huge news to come

Although the ME said there were no "antemortem" wounds to the skeleton, that doesn't eliminate that there may have been postmortem wounds. I guess I wish the ME had made the statement in a different way so that this isn't speculation.

The saddest part about this whole thing is that this case has demonstrated that just when you think it can't get worse.....