Casey's Pants & the Knife and The Cleaning of the Pontiac

[fortytwo]

What else will pass if you bend over like that? And will it effect the pants? Which pants? Do they fit Nancy, or should the be altered with the knife?

Is that what you do when someone suggests you sit down.

Okay, I'm not inviting you for dinner after all.

If it effects the pants will the pants be affected?

Nancy could certainly use them. If she wore them as a scarf they would cover up those necklaces.

...and I still want to know... Is a pair of pants TWO pants?

If so, what is a pant?

No...wait. I DON'T want to know.

 

[chizap]

You amazing sleuths are funny! :crazy:

 

[ROBLYN]

Nothing new on the knife/s?

Just HAD to say reading the last few pages of this thread was very entertaining.

Thanks for that

Now...about those pants???

 

[Rumpole]

Since my old chum "The Stainless Knife" resurfaced in today's docs, I thought I'd dust off this old chestnut of a thread.:detective:

Firstly I was amazed to see reputable sources STILL describing the knife as "found near the remains" of course it was not it was found in the trunk of the pontiac. Washed by Cynthia, but handed over to LE along with other items from the trunk.(or so CA says) :genie:

Docs p5598
Knife found to have "clear sticky material" but not consistent with duct tape adhesive (RATS) :doh:

Of course the "BOMBSHELL" is that Cyndy is hopeless at washing cutlery! :google:
She admits washing the knife yet goo remains!:waitasec:

 

[snow_walker]

Wonder what the goo came from? Must be pretty persistent stuff to still be there after a washing. Maybe something like the goo used in glue guns?
But I can't think of anything in the stuff at the car, house or swamp that would account for a tough sort of goo like that, so I am guessing it is not relevant, probably a knife left in the car that George or someone was using to do something like strip wires, or to stir up some sort of paste with.

 

[mom2chloe]

Wonder what the goo came from? Must be pretty persistent stuff to still be there after a washing. Maybe something like the goo used in glue guns?
But I can't think of anything in the stuff at the car, house or swamp that would account for a tough sort of goo like that, so I am guessing it is not relevant, probably a knife left in the car that George or someone was using to do something like strip wires, or to stir up some sort of paste with.

Just throwing this out there, but I am wondering if this sticky residue is from the heart sticker? I cannot imagine CA allowing GA to use her dinner knives for anything other than their intended purpose.

 

[Crabcake23]

I am frightened with the thought of Caylee being cut up. If this turns out to be true..I am afraid of the hate that will take over my heart..I have hated everything that Casey has done, but tried not to hate her..I think this would put me right over the edge!
I am afraid that because we don't know anything more right now, that it will be huge news to come

I'm pretty sure that the ME said that there were no antemortem marks or nicks. Meaning, no knives or bullets nicking the bones, no broken bones, things of that nature. So I doubt that she was dismembered. Besides, if she had been, it'd be all over the news like wildfire by now.

 

[Crabcake23]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Dr. G said they believe they have all the bones. (Hence the extensive crime scene processing - looking for bones "as tiny as pebbles").

Anyone recall for sure on this?

Yes, they said that they basically found all the bones, but worded it to say that it was not 100%, but like the main ones. I'm sure they're missing like a pebble sized one or two. I wish I could find that info and quote it right.

 

[Crabcake23]

I think Casey used the knives to cut slices of Velvetta for Caylee to eat. There were several empty boxes of Velvetta cheese found in the car from the document dump from today.

I agree. What gets me though is SEVERAL BOXES. You would think that 1 would last quite awhile, no?

 

[nyvictoria]

How are we to even believe anything Cindy gave to LE were the actual items found in the car? Casey may have had more than one pair of gray slacks and they had to have quite a few knives in the home. IMO, anything Cindy and George had their hands on is suspect!

 

[Valhall]

Since my old chum "The Stainless Knife" resurfaced in today's docs, I thought I'd dust off this old chestnut of a thread.:detective:

Firstly I was amazed to see reputable sources STILL describing the knife as "found near the remains" of course it was not it was found in the trunk of the pontiac. Washed by Cynthia, but handed over to LE along with other items from the trunk.(or so CA says) :genie:

Docs p5598
Knife found to have "clear sticky material" but not consistent with duct tape adhesive (RATS) :doh:

Of course the "BOMBSHELL" is that Cyndy is hopeless at washing cutlery! :google:
She admits washing the knife yet goo remains!:waitasec:

I realize from your comment in the "all about chloroform" thread that you have an aversion to discussing it, but I'd like to offer that there might actually be an explanation for both the elevated levels of chloroform, the searching for chloroform, and the "clear sticky material" on the knife.

If you will go to this page on a rather unsavory discussion board...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-9226.html

about halfway down you'll find a post by "poptart" on how to "clean" your cocaine of ephedrine and amphetamine (yeah, we all need to know how to do this). I'll lift a couple of important sentences so you'll understand why I think this is important...

Alright, it takes exactly 12.5 ml.s of chloroform to dissolve...

Now, if your a true connesuir of art and all it's beauty...Once done, you'll now be left with a clear goo on the bottom of the pie plate.

...take your index finger and go back and forth over the goo

Just a theory mind you. She had to be getting money some where (in addition to that she stole from everybody she ran across).

 

[OneLostGrl]

What else will pass if you bend over like that? And will it effect the pants? Which pants? Do they fit Nancy, or should the be altered with the knife?

Probably not but I suspect the machete will do the trick!

 

[OneLostGrl]

Since my old chum "The Stainless Knife" resurfaced in today's docs, I thought I'd dust off this old chestnut of a thread.:detective:

Firstly I was amazed to see reputable sources STILL describing the knife as "found near the remains" of course it was not it was found in the trunk of the pontiac. Washed by Cynthia, but handed over to LE along with other items from the trunk.(or so CA says) :genie:

Docs p5598
Knife found to have "clear sticky material" but not consistent with duct tape adhesive (RATS) :doh:

Of course the "BOMBSHELL" is that Cyndy is hopeless at washing cutlery! :google:
She admits washing the knife yet goo remains!:waitasec:

WB, funny man.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I realize from your comment in the "all about chloroform" thread that you have an aversion to discussing it, but I'd like to offer that there might actually be an explanation for both the elevated levels of chloroform, the searching for chloroform, and the "clear sticky material" on the knife.

If you will go to this page on a rather unsavory discussion board...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-9226.html

about halfway down you'll find a post by "poptart" on how to "clean" your cocaine of ephedrine and amphetamine (yeah, we all need to know how to do this). I'll lift a couple of important sentences so you'll understand why I think this is important...





Just a theory mind you. She had to be getting money some where (in addition to that she stole from everybody she ran across).

I'd be careful where I quote my info from.. the members of the site you link can't even agree with the postings there. I certainly don't find it credible but that's just me. You think she was "purifying" cocaine for a living? She would not have needed to steal from people or live with mommy and daddy or drive that old a$$ car that the whole family drove and handed down.. Or shop at places such a target had she found this fail safe way of purifying coke.

She woulda been the next big "drug lord", taking the business away from all the dealers who push unpurified coke. Her name (not to mention the great she sold) would be on the tongues of cocaine addicts and dealers throughout not only Orlando but probably the entire state of Florida. She woulda been the , the "man".

She was living up to her means, spending about as much as she was stealing from her "loved ones". Think about it. Ya think someone who found a way to purify coke would continually run out of gas yet have no money to put in their gas tank? Same goes for the money she stole from her grandparents to pay her cell phone bill..

Sorry but this whole idea is unrealistic and does not fit in with the things we know as factual about how Casey had been living her life.

 

[Valhall]

Sorry but this whole idea is unrealistic and does not fit in with the things we know as factual about how Casey had been living her life.

*snipped for space*

uhhh, I'm not sure cleaning coke one pie plate at a time will make you the next drug lord of central Florida. And it's not pure profit (you have to buy the coke in the first place - you just get the mark-up for the "better stuff"). I don't see dallying with a gram of cocaine being some monumental earth-shattering break-through in the drug world or making anyone "the man".

 

[JBean]

Have we heard about any testing on the shoes? Maybe there is sand from a certain area stuck on the soles...???

good call from September

 

[OneLostGrl]

*snipped for space*

uhhh, I'm not sure cleaning coke one pie plate at a time will make you the next drug lord of central Florida. And it's not pure profit (you have to buy the coke in the first place - you just get the mark-up for the "better stuff"). I don't see dallying with a gram of cocaine being some monumental earth-shattering break-through in the drug world or making anyone "the man".

ohh, so all that Cloroform came from purifying 1 gram of coke on a pie plate? My point is that if this were a fail-safe way to purify I seriously doubt she would have stopped after one pie plate. The dollar amount of the unpurified cocaine compared to the mark-up (as you refer to it) for the purified cocaine would be substantial, rest assured (typical gram in MY area is about $50.00- a gram of the good is like $150!)! If a person came up with a fail safe way to purify or "un-step" Cocaine and then sell it to make money as YOU have suggested, they and their drug would indeed be in high demand.

You are the one trying to spin that Casey may have done this for money.. that she "had to be making money somehow". A person doesn't make money off of a gram of coke.. a person hardly gets high and then not for very long off of a gram. It's a tease, a starting point, for anyone who enjoys or is addicted to cocaine. This new "gram" concept works no better than the first one. She'd have to be retarded to go through this process once, discover the wonders of the purification and the increase in price but then... not do it again.

This is a gram of Cocaine

Nobody with any real knowledge of drugs would believe that purifying this amount of cocaine (or anywhere close to it) explains the massive amounts of cloroform in the trunk or residue on a knife that someone already washed. It doesn't fit, no matter how hard you try to shove a round peg into a square hole.

Listen, I'm with ya on the "proof" in this case- I'm still not seeing anything definitive. I am one of the few here who is still not convinced that Casey killed Caylee. But I just don't think all these wild tales of escorting or drug purifying and dealing, incest, and whatever else need to be tossed into the mix when there is nothing, nothing that points toward any of it. She led a boring little life, she wasn't this big fantasy woman purifying coke in her car trunk to make some extra money... it was easier to steal from grandma. No worries of blowing herself up either.

Mods, if the pic of coke is not supposed to be here, I'm sorry, pls remove but I thought the visual; was important to the discussion.

 

[Valhall]

ohh, so all that Cloroform came from purifying 1 gram of coke on a pie plate? My point is that if this were a fail-safe way to purify I seriously doubt she would have stopped after one pie plate. The dollar amount of the unpurified cocaine compared to the mark-up (as you refer to it) for the purified cocaine would be substantial, rest assured (typical gram in MY area is about $50.00- a gram of the good is like $150!)! If a person came up with a fail safe way to purify or "un-step" Cocaine and then sell it to make money as YOU have suggested, they and their drug would indeed be in high demand.

You are the one trying to spin that Casey may have done this for money..

Woa woa woa. You need to back off. I'm not trying to "spin" anything. All I did was present some information that COULD be reason for the chloroform presence. With the attitude you have, I'm taking it if some one goes out studying on a subject, finds something that they feel could have possible value for consideration, and then comes here and shares it they are SPINNING something?

I have no personal "theory" on what happened to Caylee, why the chloroform level was elevated, or why a kitchen knife would have "goo" on it. I merely came back and shared something for consideration. I'm just sifting through this steaming heap of crap like everybody else and trying to make heads or tails of it the same as you.

And while you have accused me of spinning things, YOU have engaged in hyperbole for what purpose I don't even know! For some reason you've taken the information I've provided and twisted it around to mean I think she had a production line. Hell, for all I know, if there WAS any merit to the cocaine connection, she wasn't even successful at it and spilled the whole friggin pie pan in the trunk just trying to do it!

*shakes head and walks off*

 

[snow_walker]

I found that site about purifying coke awhile back, considered it, then dropped it without posting anything about it, seemed unlikely, but of course it isn't impossible. I was just considering what the chloroform might have been for, not knowing about the knife goo at that time.

There has to be some reason for the chloroform.. maybe it was just something she had heard talked about, (the purifying I mean) saw the bottle of chloroform, and nabbed it for future consideration. Still doesn't explain why it would be giving off fumes in the trunk. But maybe the lid came loose or she tried cleaning with it, or tried to use it to hide the other odour.

I am not convinced that she had no other source of income except what she stole from friends or got from her family. Take a look at the pics of her room and closet.. a whole lot of clothes, some of them might well be second hand or very cheap, but I doubt they all were.. it seems like she may have had a sporadic income, such as one gets from the underworld economy..

 

[reeseeva]

Woa woa woa. You need to back off. I'm not trying to "spin" anything. All I did was present some information that COULD be reason for the chloroform presence. With the attitude you have, I'm taking it if some one goes out studying on a subject, finds something that they feel could have possible value for consideration, and then comes here and shares it they are SPINNING something?
I have no personal "theory" on what happened to Caylee, why the chloroform level was elevated, or why a kitchen knife would have "goo" on it. I merely came back and shared something for consideration. I'm just sifting through this steaming heap of crap like everybody else and trying to make heads or tails of it the same as you.

And while you have accused me of spinning things, YOU have engaged in hyperbole for what purpose I don't even know! For some reason you've taken the information I've provided and twisted it around to mean I think she had a production line. Hell, for all I know, if there WAS any merit to the cocaine connection, she wasn't even successful at it and spilled the whole friggin pie pan in the trunk just trying to do it!

*shakes head and walks off*

Bold Mine!

Now, Now, Both of you have excellent theories to lend an ear to here, and as such, both have credence, so let's not bicker about "hyperbole" or NOT OLG is soooo respected in her postings, as most here, (including myself) absolutely love her input, and you, Valhall, Wow, you are such a great addition to WS, I just hate to see this standoff. You are both right, in your own accord, so let's just call it a draw, and move on.

I think both of you could be the best of friends?:blowkiss: