Casey's Psych Evals unsealed

[jon_burrows]

But WHY would FCA make such a huge deal of it and be so resentful. Who cares? It's not like a minutes old baby is going to know whether grandma or mommy held her two minutes BEFORE the other did. Come on. What kind of petty chit is that?

My guess...Caylee wanted to be with CA more than FCA. FCA used that as an excuse. Caylee was probably terrified to be with FCA alone. Unfortunately I think Caylee was on the receiving end of FCA's temper many times. The neighbor said he witnessed FCA leaving the house yelling at CA, dropping the 'f' bomb then went for a jog. If the neighbor heard it, Caylee heard it.

Just a guess...who knows, I've never seen people act like the Anthonys. Sort of like mirror mirror on the wall who's the biggest liar of them all.

IMO

 

[Tulessa]

Seriously guys, there are just no words to describe her. She acts like NO ONE I have even known. This is just pure evil at its finest!

 

[DaughterAlice]

What is the big deal? KC carried Caylee for nine months and didn't care enough to see a doctor to make sure Caylee was developing properly and she was getting the right nutrition. I sometimes think that CA is the one who made the big fuss about holding Caylee first and KC was just reacting to her mother's behavior. jmo

I've never understood the situation anyway. I remember GA saying that KC had a "difficult birth" and this is somehow the reason Caylee was handed off to CA first. The very nature of birth IS difficult! Unless she had a c-section, which I believe she did NOT, why did the dr not hand the baby to HER? Was there something alarming or uncaring in her demeaner? Were warning sirens going off in the heads of the staff?

I've had 3 babies, and they were all difficult, especially the last one, and all of my babies were handed directly to me. Did the dr have to work on me? Oh why yes! Stitches, and other things that I won't mention on a public forum. I still had a few seconds to hold my baby before and after the dr was done with me.

 

[Tulessa]

I've never understood the situation anyway. I remember GA saying that KC had a "difficult birth" and this is somehow the reason Caylee was handed off to CA first. The very nature of birth IS difficult! Unless she had a c-section, which I believe she did NOT, why did the dr not hand the baby to HER? Was there something alarming or uncaring in her demeaner? Were warning sirens going off in the heads of the staff?

I've had 3 babies, and they were all difficult, especially the last one, and all of my babies were handed directly to me. Did the dr have to work on me? Oh why yes! Stitches, and other things that I won't mention on a public forum. I still had a few seconds to hold my baby before and after the dr was done with me.

My wonderful hubby got to hold our son first, and I thought it was wonderfully magical.

 

[logicalgirl]

Believe it or not, I'm just now getting to read the actual reports...needed a stretch of time to do so. To be honest, after reading everything posted here about them I wondered if I had the stomach (or fortitude)to get through them. This report of Weitz' is such a load of cr$p!! I'm not sure if he even knew he was being bullshi$$ed. He references an earlier deposition...the beginning...did that come out as well?

Maybe you shouldn't RR004 - it's like standing with your head in a garbage can :what:

 

[logicalgirl]

I've never understood the situation anyway. I remember GA saying that KC had a "difficult birth" and this is somehow the reason Caylee was handed off to CA first. The very nature of birth IS difficult! Unless she had a c-section, which I believe she did NOT, why did the dr not hand the baby to HER? Was there something alarming or uncaring in her demeaner? Were warning sirens going off in the heads of the staff?

I've had 3 babies, and they were all difficult, especially the last one, and all of my babies were handed directly to me. Did the dr have to work on me? Oh why yes! Stitches, and other things that I won't mention on a public forum. I still had a few seconds to hold my baby before and after the dr was done with me.

The thing is DaughterAlice - It is FCA telling this story to a friend that we even know about it - so seriously...does that make it true? I doubt it. We all know babies are put on Mommy's chest to cut the cord - and who knows what happened after that. I would never take FCA's word for it - I think it's just another urban legend.

 

[Solace]

Hi Logical,

Where did you hear that she paid her fines and what fines do you mean? Love,

 

[LambChop]

The thing is DaughterAlice - It is FCA telling this story to a friend that we even know about it - so seriously...does that make it true? I doubt it. We all know babies are put on Mommy's chest to cut the cord - and who knows what happened after that. I would never take FCA's word for it - I think it's just another urban legend.

A woman carries a child for nine months (thereabouts depending on the pregnacy) and, as you said, they put the baby on the mother's chest to cut the cord so the baby is fully aware of who her mother is. I think CA made a big deal about holding Caylee first and that is why KC resented it. It would so fit CA's character to make a big deal about it. These two have an unhealthy competition that may have caused the death of Caylee, IMO. KC sent her mother the message...."what can be given can be taken away....". jmo

 

[Horace Finklestein]

The thing is DaughterAlice - It is FCA telling this story to a friend that we even know about it - so seriously...does that make it true? I doubt it. We all know babies are put on Mommy's chest to cut the cord - and who knows what happened after that. I would never take FCA's word for it - I think it's just another urban legend.

Plus it's pretty inconsistent to think the woman who duct taped, bagged and dumped Caylee in the woods was genuinely crying the blues because someone else held her baby first.

 

[Just Jayla]

I've followed this case from the beginning but I can't remember this $14,000 thing. When did KC talk about it? Thanks.

I believe she told Tony R. this, I cannot remember. It would not have been used as evidence because it was hearsay, but she texted it or wrote it to one of the dudes she was trying to bed/had bedded.

 

[logicalgirl]

Hi Logical,

Where did you hear that she paid her fines and what fines do you mean? Love,

Sorry didn't see this - the $1400.00 court fine - in the Sidebar from a couple of days ago and I think it was also in the Current News. Has been paying it off in blocks, just made her last payment of $388.00.

I guess pay per view is profitable.,,,:innocent:

 

[logicalgirl]

A woman carries a child for nine months (thereabouts depending on the pregnacy) and, as you said, they put the baby on the mother's chest to cut the cord so the baby is fully aware of who her mother is. I think CA made a big deal about holding Caylee first and that is why KC resented it. It would so fit CA's character to make a big deal about it. These two have an unhealthy competition that may have caused the death of Caylee, IMO. KC sent her mother the message...."what can be given can be taken away....". jmo

There is no way a doctor is going to listen to what anyone is saying about who gets the child first except the mother. Unless doctor's are very different than in Canada - because here a grandmother standing beside the bed wouldn't even get a look from a doctor who was delivering a child. Only the mother has a say about who gets to hold the child first. Here in Canada, it is mother (patient) and child (patient) and the doctors and staff are very protective of them. What they say goes.

But before the holding comes the cord cut on the mother's stomach/chest, then the mother holds the child for a second or two, and away they go to be swabbed off and the drops put in their eyes. Then the child is brought back. Who knows at this point who FCA told them to give Caylee to.

 

[2goldfish]

There is no way a doctor is going to listen to what anyone is saying about who gets the child first except the mother. Unless doctor's are very different than in Canada - because here a grandmother standing beside the bed wouldn't even get a look from a doctor who was delivering a child. Only the mother has a say about who gets to hold the child first. Here in Canada, it is mother (patient) and child (patient) and the doctors and staff are very protective of them. What they say goes.

But before the holding comes the cord cut on the mother's stomach/chest, then the mother holds the child for a second or two, and away they go to be swabbed off and the drops put in their eyes. Then the child is brought back. Who knows at this point who FCA told them to give Caylee to.

I guess it depends, when my first was born (in the US) a nurse held him as the cord was cut, they took him off to be cleaned and whatnot then handed him directly to my mom, who then handed him directly to his father, I didnt get my hands on him for a full 30 minutes.

I didnt resent this at the time, not having much sense and having had a trauma of a labour, but years later when I had a homebirth with the second (born in the UK) the midwife only "caught" and held him long enough for me to sit down (I have no idea why I gave birth standing, it was all my idea, they tried to get me to kneel and it just was natural for me to remain standing!) ....that's when I resented the first birth; that it occured to no one at all to give me my baby. I dont resent my mom though but that doctor was a bit of a turd.

 

[mysteriew]

Plus it's pretty inconsistent to think the woman who duct taped, bagged and dumped Caylee in the woods was genuinely crying the blues because someone else held her baby first.

In a way I can see her moaning about it. But not as an emotional thing, more of an ego thing. It would have been one of those moments that she seized on later. Her mother bested her again. Her mother, her primary rival was first again. Her mother held her daughter first. "It was her right as a mother" blah blah.

It has nothing to do with her bonding with Caylee and has more to do with her rivalry with her mother.

 

[hannahsnana]

If memory serves, I believe George was given the honor of cutting the cord. I'm serious. Don't remember whose account this was, Cindy or Casey, but I believe it was Cindy who told this. Does anyone remember for sure?

 

[logicalgirl]

Can anyone point me to information (a link) where anyone but FCA says Cindy held Caylee first? Or that George cut the cord? From George's account he was pretty nauseous even being in the room - but his "girls" insisted, but that it wasn't his choice.

I ask because all the information I've seen has been generated by FCA or told to us by someone who was told that by FCA, but I've never seen a statement from George or Cindy to say that's the way it happened....

 

[GiantPickle]

My Dad & Mom cut my daughter's cord (it was just symbolic - everything was clamped already etc). I was a teen Mom and they were in the delivery room. I was a big old hippy then and shared the birth with like 42390432 people.

ETA: My baby was on my chest at that point...handed directly up to me as she was delivered. She was covered in slop but quickly given a wipe down, swaddled while still on me and then she began nursing. They put the drops etc in her eye while she was on my chest. Her bath was a good twenty mins after birth...maybe even longer. Everyone held her after the bath.

ETA one more time: My Dad didn't want to be in the room either (the pictures of him he's like a tomato and has his hands across his mouth like in awe and horror)...Mom made him stay....I was oblivious to all those negotiations.

 

[jon_burrows]

Can anyone point me to information (a link) where anyone but FCA says Cindy held Caylee first? Or that George cut the cord? From George's account he was pretty nauseous even being in the room - but his "girls" insisted, but that it wasn't his choice.

I ask because all the information I've seen has been generated by FCA or told to us by someone who was told that by FCA, but I've never seen a statement from George or Cindy to say that's the way it happened....

I don't have a link handy but I remember GA talking about it. He said FCA always held that against CA. He also stated they weren't trying to be Caylee's parents it just....then he caught himself. I think he was going to say they took care of Caylee more and therefore she was more attached to them.


IMO

 

[Intermezzo]

If memory serves, I believe George was given the honor of cutting the cord. I'm serious. Don't remember whose account this was, Cindy or Casey, but I believe it was Cindy who told this. Does anyone remember for sure?

I am not doubting your recollection...
I have read that(George cutting the cord) posted on other sites in the past but no one was able to provide a link to who said it and where to find it....
IMO if I had to chose between Cindy or George cutting the cord..I say would say Cindy.

One would have to venture back into the discovery documents to read the Orange County LE or FBI interviews or State depo of either Cindy, George or perhaps Lee to see if it was said in those interviews

I thought George said he was in the delivery room but did not participate....but my recollection on that subject is...fuzzy

 

[ZsaZsa]

I am not doubting your recollection...
I have read that(George cutting the cord) posted on other sites in the past but no one was able to provide a link to who said it and where to find it....
IMO if I had to chose between Cindy or George cutting the cord..I say would say Cindy.

One would have to venture back into the discovery documents to read the Orange County LE or FBI interviews or State depo of either Cindy, George or perhaps Lee to see if it was said in those interviews

I thought George said he was in the delivery room but did not participate....but my recollection on that subject is...fuzzy

Pge 18/19 of this transcript is where GA talks about the delivery. He doesn't mention the cord..

http://files.realitychatter.com/CA/Docs/George-Anthony-FBI-Interview-7878-8000.pdf