Caylee Anthony 2 year old General Discussion #69

[Cakegirl]

I wonder if they have a sign in sheet at the home Cindy's father lives in that would confirm what date she and Caylee were there and the video was filmed. I know that some do.

Yes, there was a sign-in sheet at the nursing/retirement home. Cindy flew off the handle when LE said they would check into it... she wanted to confirm it herself. I'm sure LE did confirm it though.

 

[not_my_kids]

I tried with that picture with dog tags too. All I get is pixels.

 

[wishingtree]

Yes, there was a sign-in sheet at the nursing/retirement home. Cindy flew off the handle when LE said they would check into it... she wanted to confirm it herself. I'm sure LE did confirm it though.

Thanks for the info. I missed that.

 

[christine2448]

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Seems some are confused.

 

[Elley Mae]

Sorry, but I'm just not on board w/ people who are sociopathic not being responsible or not being able 'help themseves' w/ regard to their behavior. I think in extreme cases of psychosis there may be exceptions that fall correctly under an insanity defense but classifying everyone who does not act 'normally' as being mentally ill is a slippery slope that leaves no room for personal responsibility and would leave prisons empty, imo.

B/c the problem is that these people--like Casey--come to our attention b/c of their alleged crimes. She is not on our radar screen b/c she lacks empathy for her child--but b/c she is the main suspect in her child's possible homicide which is far worse than robbery and illegal drug activity although it seems Casey may have dabbled in these crimes as well.

And the possibility of giving Casey a few years in a mental institution where she could be 'helped' if she is found guilty of murdering her daughter would be an extreme injustice to Caylee, imo. Some people are just plain broken and evil as far as I'm concerned. They cannot be fixed and they need to be kept locked away in prison where they can't harm others--which is what prisons were built for--to protect the innocent and law abiding members of our society from the criminally inclined.

Thank you I like prisons too. And I believe in the death penalty as well, I think that some people are just broke and in Casey's case she's broke.

 

[RR0004]

I wonder if they have a sign in sheet at the home Cindy's father lives in that would confirm what date she and Caylee were there and the video was filmed. I know that some do.

Yes...and it was checked hopefully by now.

 

[Sleuthster]

Are you talking about the video where Cindy is talking and Lee pulls her away?

http://www.wesh.com/video/index.html

Did that happen today? I only saw the George/Cindy episode this morning.
No I was just generalizing that we havent heard much today.

 

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Seems some are confused.

Thanks Christine. I think they ate my post.

 

[bluedevil21]

as for bail...

The decision regarding a proper bail amount lies with the discretion of the trial court. Casey can ask for her bail to be reduced, that is well within her rights. And if she can post it, the state would be unable to detain her before trial. At the same time, she has the burden of proof to demonstrate why it should be lowered. Until she starts talking about her missing daughter, she will lose any bail argument, in my opinion.

Keep in mind that the right to bail is based on the presumption of innocence. Casey is not acting like an innocent party here. Of course, all defendants are presumed innocent until proven guilty; however, she is not helping her case at all. The primary purpose of an appearance bond is to secure the presence of the accused at trial on the offense charged. Although she has no money and lives with her parents, I see Casey running as quickly as possible to, like, Mexico.

In terms of setting an actual number for bail, certain factors are normally considered: 1) the bail is set sufficiently high enough to give reasonable assurance that the court orders will be complied with; 2) the power to require bail cannot be so ridiculous as to act as an instrument of oppression; 3) the nature of the offense and the circumstances under which it was committed are considered; 4) the ability to make bail is regarded; 5) the future safety of a victim of the alleged offense and the community shall be considered.

Other pertinent factors include: work record (hello, Universal!), family and community ties (the economy in Orlando bars and the business at Fusian have definitely subsided since her arrest?), length of residency in the county, prior criminal record, conformity with previous bond conditions, other outstanding bonds, and aggravating factors involved in the offense (like the fact that this is her own f-ing daughter that she refuses to answer questions about).

for further info, this report on bail decisions pertains to NY courts, but it is also relevant for all jurisdictions: http://www.cjareports.org/reports/bail3.pdf

 

[OneLostGrl]

Sorry, but I'm just not on board w/ people who are sociopathic not being responsible or not being able 'help themseves' w/ regard to their behavior. I think in extreme cases of psychosis there may be exceptions that fall correctly under an insanity defense but classifying everyone who does not act 'normally' as being mentally ill is a slippery slope that leaves no room for personal responsibility and would leave prisons empty, imo.

B/c the problem is that these people--like Casey--come to our attention b/c of their alleged crimes. She is not on our radar screen b/c she lacks empathy for her child--but b/c she is the main suspect in her child's possible homicide which is far worse than robbery and illegal drug activity although it seems Casey may have dabbled in these crimes as well.

And the possibility of giving Casey a few years in a mental institution where she could be 'helped' if she is found guilty of murdering her daughter would be an extreme injustice to Caylee, imo. Some people are just plain broken and evil as far as I'm concerned. They cannot be fixed and they need to be kept locked away in prison where they can't harm others--which is what prisons were built for--to protect the innocent and law abiding members of our society from the criminally inclined.

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[RoseRed]

I know that's been discussed. Although, I really don't know what the outcome was. I think there was a sign in sheet and it was just Cindy & Caylee visiting that day. I think.

That information is on the warrant and yes the sign sheet was checked by LE and was June 15th.

 

[CW]

knock it off i've had to just delete close to 30 post. I will give no futher warning stay on topic if you feel the need to chit chat go to the jury room. I'm not into game playing and the guilty one's know who you are. Stay on topic!!!!!!!

 

[Benji]

Sorry, but I'm just not on board w/ people who are sociopathic not being responsible or not being able 'help themseves' w/ regard to their behavior. I think in extreme cases of psychosis there may be exceptions that fall correctly under an insanity defense but classifying everyone who does not act 'normally' as being mentally ill is a slippery slope that leaves no room for personal responsibility and would leave prisons empty, imo.

B/c the problem is that these people--like Casey--come to our attention b/c of their alleged crimes. She is not on our radar screen b/c she lacks empathy for her child--but b/c she is the main suspect in her child's possible homicide which is far worse than robbery and illegal drug activity although it seems Casey may have dabbled in these crimes as well.

And the possibility of giving Casey a few years in a mental institution where she could be 'helped' if she is found guilty of murdering her daughter would be an extreme injustice to Caylee, imo. Some people are just plain broken and evil as far as I'm concerned. They cannot be fixed and they need to be kept locked away in prison where they can't harm others--which is what prisons were built for--to protect the innocent and law abiding members of our society from the criminally inclined.

I understand what you are saying, but the thing is, Casey was once a little girl too, just like Caylee, and for whatever reason (and most of us think that it's due to parental responsibility) now she's "broke"! Now, I'm NOT trying to excuse her or take any responsibility from her for the mess she's in now, but if she has something wrong with her, or if it's even just that she was raised to be the way she is, then it just seems a bit unfair to me that suddenly she is being hung out to dry ALL BY HERSELF in this! I DO NOT condone the things she has done, I REPEAT, I DO NOT CONDONE THE THINGS SHE HAS DONE! But it seems that a lot of people are saying that since she has some "disorder" or that she wasn't raised to behave differently than she does, then she should just be tossed aside and forgotten! I just think that is sooo sad! It makes me almost as sad for her as it does for little Caylee. I know that Caylee is a complete innocent and doesn't deserve any of this, but if Casey is so screwed up by no fault of her own, then she (IMO) needs help instead of hatred! And as always, this is JMHO

 

[FLbeachdawg]

so did you guys see that interview with Cindy I mentioned? I'm guessing it's new....I hadn't seen it, but I could have missed it...and she says that if news stations air george getting upset then she will no longer do anymore interviews with that station.

http://www.wesh.com/video/index.html

 

[whiteangora]

Bluedevil21, I didn't quote to save space, just wanted to let you know I
appreciate your legal expertise, always helpful.

 

[GameTheory]

So she wants to go to court for her bail?
So this is why she is bullying her parents and brother now and refusing to see them. Because they are not selling everything they have to get their selfish daughter our of prison.

I know a lot of people still believe Casey will ''break'' and confess out of ''guilt''. IT'S NEVER HAPPENING PEOPLE. I know you still hold on that hope because it is the only way for Caylee to come home, alive or not.

But there is no remorce, no suicide, no confession. Not happening!! It is up to police now to build a case against her. If they are lucky the physical evidence might give them a clue where Caylee might be or by chance someone will find the little girl's body at a river, in a lake, in some woods.

This case has a long way to go and the way is only one: Casey will be on trial for killing her daughter. As soon as the police gather whatever is out there to gather, and without a body even, the will charge her with the murder with circumstantial evidence. The LE did the same with Scott Peterson. And just like Scott Peterson (still looking for that van that might have kidnapped Lacy) :liar: Casey will keep blaming a nanny for kidnapping her kid. Just like Geragos said his client even though is a b2stard for cheating on his wife he did not kill her, Casey's lawyer will say even though Casey was an irresponsible mother who did something foolish, nevertheless she is not a murderer. Just wait for it.

If the police does not find a body, the grandparents will never find out exactly what happened. They will know WHO did it, but not exactly HOW or WHY

 

[MagnoliaMom]

IF this is the case, and Casey is actually a Sociopath and doesn't have the CAPABILITY to care about her daughter, then why is everyone so upset with her? What I mean is this...if she is INCAPABLE of the same actions and emotions of a normal person, then that can't be held against her really can it? If she COULD have the same emotions, then I'm pretty sure that she WOULD, so how can we hold her accountable, and be so upset with her if she is actually UNABLE to be different than what she is? - snip from benji

but being incable of normal emotions doesn't make one incable of understandanding right and wrong. if your legs were cut off you still would be able to understand the "don't walk on the grass sign" even though you couldn't walk on the grass.

 

[DuchessJules22]

so did you guys see that interview with Cindy I mentioned? I'm guessing it's new....I hadn't seen it, but I could have missed it...and she says that if news stations air george getting upset then she will no longer do anymore interviews with that station.

http://www.wesh.com/video/index.html

Yeah right. She loves the attention too much.

 

[SuziQ]

so did you guys see that interview with Cindy I mentioned? I'm guessing it's new....I hadn't seen it, but I could have missed it...and she says that if news stations air george getting upset then she will no longer do anymore interviews with that station.

http://www.wesh.com/video/index.html

Thanks, I can't listen, my audio is on the fritz. Interesting that the stations all ran it anyways.

 

[bluedevil21]

I understand what you are saying, but the thing is, Casey was once a little girl too, just like Caylee, and for whatever reason (and most of us think that it's due to parental responsibility) now she's "broke"! Now, I'm NOT trying to excuse her or take any responsibility from her for the mess she's in now, but if she has something wrong with her, or if it's even just that she was raised to be the way she is, then it just seems a bit unfair to me that suddenly she is being hung out to dry ALL BY HERSELF in this! I DO NOT condone the things she has done, I REPEAT, I DO NOT CONDONE THE THINGS SHE HAS DONE! But it seems that a lot of people are saying that since she has some "disorder" or that she wasn't raised to behave differently than she does, then she should just be tossed aside and forgotten! I just think that is sooo sad! It makes me almost as sad for her as it does for little Caylee. I know that Caylee is a complete innocent and doesn't deserve any of this, but if Casey is so screwed up by no fault of her own, then she (IMO) needs help instead of hatred! And as always, this is JMHO

i agree with what you are saying...to a certain degree. if casey needs help, then by all means, she should get it. if she is too sick to actually have the capacity to know right from wrong, then she deserves professional care. i cannot, however, be as sad for casey as caylee. casey is a grown woman, she makes her own decisions, she has free will and choice. her parents, while a tad crazy, are not evil (from what we know, at least). she has lied to everyone for years. she has no discipline. i really don't think casey is, by definition, insane. i think she is selfish and takes no responsibility for her actions. this time, though, she may not be able to help it when the state imposes responsibility directly upon her...