Caylee Anthony 3 year old General discussion #99

[DianeB]

I am thinking like a juror - who gets a whole prosecution picture which includes the dogs. It's a story that adds up...

The cadaver dogs are open to attack by the defense attorney because they're guided by humans, and humans aren't perfect. Neither are the dogs.

Without supporting evidence that confirms they have indeed hit on human decomposition, there's room for a good defense attorney to introduce reasonable doubt.

Especially if the death penalty is on the table.

 

[Sherbie]

I'm just positive I remember Cindy saying early on that they had aired the car out. Am I misremembering? If that's correct, it's no surprise the stench wasn't as strong as it was at first. Can you imagine -- if it was such that LE could smell it after an airing out, what must it have been like prior to that? Yuck.

I agree with whoever said upthread that in the last 911 call, you can almost hear the wheels spinning and Cindy starting to become terrified when realizes that smell really might have been from a dead body. I think it still didn't dawn on her at that moment that Casey might've done something, only that something was terribly wrong.

 

[Themis]

Doesn't prove murder. Think like a juror.

Correct. Dog hits do not tell you how the human died. However, hits in a car trunk? Who is lawfully transporting a dead human body in her trunk? Hits in the Anthony back yard near the playhouse and the pool? So, Casey lawfully had a dead body back there and her daughter is missing? So, that raises questions of accident. It can be an accident and still be manslaughter. Casey had a legal duty to care for her 2 year old daughter. Accident might mean in common terms she didn't have a specific intent to harm her daughter. However, she could still be legally culpable depending on what happened. Then there are the whole spectrum of general intent and specific intent crimes. It gets complicated. Anyway, DNA evidence is not necessarily required to support a conviction in this case. The fact of testing and those results will have to be given to defense.

 

[SuziQ]

HOORAY!! I got the pants!! My work here is done.

In the JonBenet forum
IDI=Intruder did it
RDI=Ramsey's did it
IDI's are not very popular so I don;t go in there anymore:blowkiss:

Lol, JBean. I was scratching my head over the IDI thing.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

OK Let's just say for a minute that Casey gave Jesse the child willingly (pretend for a summer visit) and she knows exactly where they are right now. If Casey came out with it...what trouble would she face in light of the fact Caylee would be alive, taken care of, and in no danger with her expressed permission to be with him for a period of time?

 

[ketel0ne]

We interrupt this thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2514106&postcount=20

thanks.

 

[Foxxtrot]

I think George and Cindy made the whole meeting on the 24th up. I don't think they saw Casey after the 16th.

Why in the world would George do that?

 

[SuziQ]

I think they purposly left a few details out of the affidavit. The lead detective testified the car smelled like a dead body. Someone earlier was looking for the link. Here's all the testimony's at the bond hearing.

Thank you. Maybe there is a clearer explanation in these as to the chain of command of the car. My eyes are bleary and I'll have to read them tomorrow.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

We interrupt this thread:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2514106&postcount=20

Thanks, JBean! I wondered if we were going to hear from Tony tonight.

 

[McSev]

The cadaver dogs are open to attack by the defense attorney because they're guided by humans, and humans aren't perfect. Neither are the dogs.

Without supporting evidence that confirms they have indeed hit on human decomposition, there's room for a good defense attorney to introduce reasonable doubt.

Especially if the death penalty is on the table.

Depends on the cross examination - and I'm not committed to a murder/death penalty case coming out of this at all. Never have been. Expect deals with no body found.

 

[gibby207]

Again, I am a newbie, but weren't their 3 cars involved: The Anthony's, Casey's, and Amy's. Didn't she use Amy's car while Amy was away?

 

[ketel0ne]

OK Let's just say for a minute that Casey gave Jesse the child willingly (pretend for a summer visit) and she knows exactly where they are right now. If Casey came out with it...what trouble would she face in light of the fact Caylee would be alive, taken care of, and in no danger with her expressed permission to be with him for a period of time?

In the scope of a much broader set of charges, very little. The child neglect would probably be dropped.

 

[JBean]

Lol, JBean. I was scratching my head over the IDI thing.

Then I can tell you don't go to the JBR forum.

 

[ketel0ne]

Why in the world would George do that?

Better than getting the gas cans back on the 15th of July with the car.

 

[JBean]

Thanks, JBean! I wondered if we were going to hear from Tony tonight.

I just happened to catch it when he was online.

okay kids I am out.
Too much work coming up so not sure when I'll be back. Solve this while I am gone willya?

Great conversation and debate today thank you!

 

[Themis]

The cadaver dogs are open to attack by the defense attorney because they're guided by humans, and humans aren't perfect. Neither are the dogs.

Without supporting evidence that confirms they have indeed hit on human decomposition, there's room for a good defense attorney to introduce reasonable doubt.

Especially if the death penalty is on the table.

All evidence is always "open to attack." Defense counsel always controls motions made by defense. Defense counsel always try to introduce reasonable doubt on the elements of the charges. Sometimes they convince the trier of fact that there is reasonable doubt and sometimes they don't. Prosecutors generally have anticipated all these motions and are not intimidated by them.

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Why in the world would George do that?

IMO to CYA in that he didn't take them out when he got the car back - especially since he pulled one of the detectives aside to tell them his daughter (in his opinion) was holding back information (so something to that effect).

 

[DianeB]

Correct. Dog hits do not tell you how the human died. However, hits in a car trunk? Who is lawfully transporting a dead human body in her trunk? Hits in the Anthony back yard near the playhouse and the pool? So, Casey lawfully had a dead body back there and her daughter is missing? So, that raises questions of accident. It can be an accident and still be manslaughter. Casey had a legal duty to care for her 2 year old daughter. Accident might mean in common terms she didn't have a specific intent to harm her daughter. However, she could still be legally culpable depending on what happened. Then there are the whole spectrum of general intent and specific intent crimes. It gets complicated. Anyway, DNA evidence is not necessarily required to support a conviction in this case. The fact of testing and those results will have to be given to defense.

Your assumption seems to be -correct me if I'm wrong- that the jury will believe the dogs accurately smelled decomposition, despite the fact that there is no physical evidence of decomposition.

I'm a little more cynical. I think a jury may want more proof than a smell. I hope they have it.

On the other hand, someone in this family did something with that baby that directly contributed to the fact that she's not here anymore, and a jury will want to see justice done for her.

 

[gibby207]

Okay, another newbie question: The cadaver dogs wouldn't hit on an "accident" scene but a dead body, right? So, burial would be the only reason to hit in the back yard, right? Or nonburial but just letting lie but how long would the "gasses" start to enable a cadaver dog to hit?

 

[not_my_kids]

This will make the third time I have asked the question on here and I really am hoping for an answer:
1. Were the dogs used air sniffers or ground sniffers/ Some cadaver dogs detect the scent in the air and some detect in or under the dirt.

2. Were they specifically cadaver dogs or were they multipurpose? Some dogs are trained for cadaver, article searches, search and rescue, arson accelerants, bombs, and or any combo of the above.

And one more thing. If the story of Caylee cutting her feet on the bamboo was true, it might throw off the dog hits. They are tested with 3 ml of blood, that is what they must be able to hit on. If there was even a small amount of anyones blood in the backyard, they may have hit on that.