CDC: 107 people on TB flights need tests

  • #101
Thank you Dr MSM :)

acordn2me- China is one place I have no desire to vacation to. Have you heard about their squatting toilets? Hole in the ground, no tissue since you must bring your own, and you have an open can for depositing it along with the rest of the users from that week. Cleaned out maybe once a week. Can you imagine the smell? Can you imagine slipping and falling into the hole?
 
  • #102
Public spitting and hole-in-the-ground toilets...I try to keep an open mind when travelling but I'm not sure I could handle that!!! I can deal with a lot of gross things but gross smells really do me in :sick:
 
  • #103
Public spitting and hole-in-the-ground toilets...I try to keep an open mind when travelling but I'm not sure I could handle that!!! I can deal with a lot of gross things but gross smells really do me in :sick:

I know what you mean! I have been known to gag at changing a few of my daughter's diapers when she has been sick, I cant imagine even going in the room of the public bathrooms.
 
  • #104
I thought it was India with the hole in the ground. I used to date a guy (same one that went to China) LOVED travelling. India is one of his favorite places. Everytime he came back, ALL of his stuff was covered with red dust and smelled like India. He said the smells are one thing about India that a person will never forget. Personally, I'm not interested in going to a place I have to have SHOTS or take a bunch of malaria medication to be safe. I'm not your roughing it type. :chicken:
 
  • #105
I thought it was India with the hole in the ground. I used to date a guy (same one that went to China) LOVED travelling. India is one of his favorite places. Everytime he came back, ALL of his stuff was covered with red dust and smelled like India. He said the smells are one thing about India that a person will never forget. Personally, I'm not interested in going to a place I have to have SHOTS or take a bunch of malaria medication to be safe. I'm not your roughing it type. :chicken:

Im not sure about India but I know China has them. My dad verified that when he was over there. Camping is about as roughing it as I get and I prefer a travel trailer to a tent.
 
  • #106
Thank you Dr MSM :)

acordn2me- China is one place I have no desire to vacation to. Have you heard about their squatting toilets? Hole in the ground, no tissue since you must bring your own, and you have an open can for depositing it along with the rest of the users from that week. Cleaned out maybe once a week. Can you imagine the smell? Can you imagine slipping and falling into the hole?

I think you'll find that sort of public toilet in most countries and in many national parks in the U.S. Maybe not in hotels catering to American tourists, but in areas frequented by the locals.

(ETA: I've encountered such facilities in Spain, Italy, Panama, Mexico and Bosnia, IIRC. Probably some other places I've forgotten, as well.)

Just thought I should warn you.
 
  • #107
Thank you very much for answering questions from me and other posters. It was extremely generous of you to do research for our sake.

I learned a lot.
 
  • #108
I think you'll find that sort of public toilet in most countries and in many national parks in the U.S. Maybe not in hotels catering to American tourists, but in areas frequented by the locals.

(ETA: I've encountered such facilities in Spain, Italy, Panama, Mexico and Bosnia, IIRC. Probably some other places I've forgotten, as well.)

Just thought I should warn you.

Thanks Nova :) Im so glad I havent been forced to use them yet, I hope I dont get in that position as I have a very sensitive sense of smell.
 
  • #109
Thanks Nova :) Im so glad I havent been forced to use them yet, I hope I dont get in that position as I have a very sensitive sense of smell.

Well, I must admit that on the occasions I encountered such facilities, I was glad I'm a dude. Not that that improves the smell, of course, but it does help me get in and out more quickly. :dance:
 
  • #110
Well, I must admit that on the occasions I encountered such facilities, I was glad I'm a dude. Not that that improves the smell, of course, but it does help me get in and out more quickly. :dance:

I have told my husband a hundred times when I am forced to use public toilets how lucky he is to be a guy and can just pee behind a tree.
 
  • #111
He doesn't have latent TB! He has active TB. He has a mass in his lung which is where they cultured the TB from. Although he is not coughing, he can spread it to others.


Where is it that said that the had a mass in his lung? In all the articles I have read, I have not seen that at all.
Reports have been that he has been asymptomatic, continues to be asymptomatic and that his AFB's have been negative. Of course, you and I haven't been clinically seen him - but all information points to the fact that the possibility of him spreading this is extremely low. I haven't seen anything about his chest radiographs (looking through the articles I have read) so I guess that I did make a jump there, which wouldn't be hard to do.
For everyone reading, basically, in this situation if he has a negative chest radiograph, then he has latent TB. If he has a positive chest radiograph, he would have active TB.
You can have a positive skin test, negative chest x-ray, negative physical examination and be asymptomatic. That would indiciate latent TB infection. Your provider would treat you agressively to ensure that you don't develop active TB. One of the big things here is that his sputum (lung secretions) is NOT showing the bacteria. Therefore, if he was to cough, breathe on someone, ect the likihood of there being bacteria that could infection you or I through droplets / airborne bacteria in the air is VERY VERY VERY low.

You know, I just can't get over the fact that this poor guy was living his life as normal until he left the U.S., then suddenly while he is away they identify that his strain is extremely resistant. Seems quite unfortunate. If someone told me they didn't recommend me traveling, I would take that as advice. If they said "Do not travel, it is dangerous to your health and those around you." I wouldn't leave. I am sure it was just a recommendation - they obviously thought he was safe enough to be in the public, and they did not make any effort to stop his travel from the U.S. even though they knew he had TB.

Poor guy asked to be put on the CDC jet to be brought home but they told him there wasn't money in the budget for him. Guys, I would have peed myself if I was told that there was no way to come home and that I'd have to give myself to the mercy of the italian government / healthcare system.

Personally, I'm more worried about the citizens of Atlanta that had repeated contact with him than the individuals on the flight. Yes, it is true that close quarters can make you more likely to get TB. But usually this is the case for people living in prisons, dorm situations (colleges - big outbreak at a college near where I live this past school year), orphanages (yes, especially Asia) and nursing homes. It's extended exposure usually - you don't just shake someone's hand or sit next to them in a resturant and get TB. They (the CDC that is) are covering themselves, and the CDC does not want to be treating a number of XDR cases if they can get a handle on any that might happen. Might is a big word here and it is unlikely. Personally - it seems that they are just making the point where they contacted him with instructions for surrender in Italy and notifying him that he had XDR TB as the "jumping off" point for exposure and monitoring of the general public.

*sigh*

We have privacy laws for a reason. I wonder who leaked his identity to the press. Woe be it to the HC provider who leaked it - if that's the case I hope they get him or her. I bet it was an aquantaince who put two and two together though. I feel bad - he'll be getting harrassed / hate mail for a while. Still can't say I blame him for trying to get back to the U.S. though.

Wouldn't want to be in this guys shoes in a million years, people. I truely sympathize with him. While I hope that no one gets sick out of this - and will of course, feel for them if they do as they are innocent victims - I can understand his motives. If we're putting armed guards outside his room just because (they have said that he has been extremely cooperative) - think of that the italian government might have done to a non-citizen. I don't know what that might be, but I sure would NOT have stuck around to find out.
 
  • #112
I have told my husband a hundred times when I am forced to use public toilets how lucky he is to be a guy and can just pee behind a tree.
No joke, I envy that.
 
  • #113
Where is it that said that the had a mass in his lung? In all the articles I have read, I have not seen that at all.
Reports have been that he has been asymptomatic, continues to be asymptomatic and that his AFB's have been negative. Of course, you and I haven't been clinically seen him - but all information points to the fact that the possibility of him spreading this is extremely low. I haven't seen anything about his chest radiographs (looking through the articles I have read) so I guess that I did make a jump there, which wouldn't be hard to do.
For everyone reading, basically, in this situation if he has a negative chest radiograph, then he has latent TB. If he has a positive chest radiograph, he would have active TB.
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>>His infection was discovered in January when a chest x-ray obtained for unrelated reasons revealed a lesion in his right lung, CDC officials said during a news briefing yesterday. Subsequently a culture revealed that he had TB, and initial drug treatment proved ineffective, said Dr. Martin Cetron, director of the CDC's Division of Global Migration and Quarantine
In a meeting with Fulton County health officials and his doctors on May 10, Speaker was told that he had multidrug-resistant TB <<
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/other/news/may3107tb.html
 
  • #114
I was thinking today that there it is probably more problemtic to be on a transAtlantic flight with someone that has influenza. That kills more people every year than TB, yet there is not this kind of outrage when people travel with it and spread it to unsuspecting victims.

What is the answer? There can't be laws governing this. Perhaps we can put sick people on the "no-fly" list.
 
  • #115
This is a business, not a personal #. Attack the post not the poster, I don't believe Buzz is rude.

You are a nurse? Can you give us some professional input on this situation, the disease?

I am understand he new BEFORE he left the US that there was a chance he had TB, he must have, they new the strain 2 days before he left for honeymoon...correct? He should have never left to begin with! If I am wrong about him knowing there was a possiblity he was infected before he ever left the states, the correct me. Otherwise, I still say this guy is an azz.

Yes, I'm an RN who is currently finishing her master's to be a nurse practitioner. MSM's information is pretty correct. The only thing that I will add is that there are a TON of people living in the U.S. with TB. And it is on the rise. One you begin treatment and it has been deemed OK but your health department and providers, people with even active TB are allowed to go on with their daily lives. This guy was in the middle of treatment for what seemed to be a resistent strain (you can have ust regular TB, drug resistant TB, and XDR TB - the extremely rare drug resistant TB). It was recommended he not travel but they did nothing to prevent him. Only when he was in Europe did they contact him to say it was xdr and to surrender to the authorities. So, he knew he was infected before he left. He would have been receiving treatment since he was initially identified.

I don't blame him for going on his honeymoon before he knew he had XDR TB. It wasn't to the point where they needed to restrict him - just give him advice not to. Sort of like how we tell pregnant mom's not to smoke. We can't make them stop. But we can strongly recommend they not do it. That all changed when they knew he had XDR. That gave them reason to flag him and restrict him.

I'll submit and say that yes, it was a jerky thing to jump on the flight back home and come back to the US. But knowing that the possibility of him spreading the infection is SO low... and the fact that the CDC refused to get him back home - I don't know. I can't bring myself to be angry with him. I would have wanted to do it too... but probably wouldn't have been sneaky enough to think of it!
 
  • #116
I was thinking today that there it is probably more problemtic to be on a transAtlantic flight with someone that has influenza. That kills more people every year than TB, yet there is not this kind of outrage when people travel with it and spread it to unsuspecting victims.

What is the answer? There can't be laws governing this. Perhaps we can put sick people on the "no-fly" list.


I would be more fearful to be sitting on an airplane with someone who has influenza, that is for sure.
 
  • #117
>>His infection was discovered in January when a chest x-ray obtained for unrelated reasons revealed a lesion in his right lung, CDC officials said during a news briefing yesterday. Subsequently a culture revealed that he had TB, and initial drug treatment proved ineffective, said Dr. Martin Cetron, director of the CDC's Division of Global Migration and Quarantine
In a meeting with Fulton County health officials and his doctors on May 10, Speaker was told that he had multidrug-resistant TB <<
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/cidrap/content/other/news/may3107tb.html
Thanks Jbean!
 
  • #118
I was thinking today that there it is probably more problemtic to be on a transAtlantic flight with someone that has influenza. That kills more people every year than TB, yet there is not this kind of outrage when people travel with it and spread it to unsuspecting victims.

What is the answer? There can't be laws governing this. Perhaps we can put sick people on the "no-fly" list.
I don't know about how a person feels when they have TB...but I have had the flu and you're miserable. There's no way I would have gotten on a plane feeling like that. A moderate sinus infection will make you want to jump out of a plane too. Maybe it's good that you feel so rotten when you're really bad sick.....You stay at home whining and moaning and you're not out in public infecting others!
 
  • #119
  • #120
I would be more fearful to be sitting on an airplane with someone who has influenza, that is for sure.
Well, I am thinking that XDR-TB requires more up close and personal contact, where influenza can be contracted much more casually..yes? Like in an airplane?
 

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