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eileenhawkeye said:
Sadly, thousands of cases happen every year, without any sort of outrage. So I have to disagree that a mob always forms. Even in other high-profile cases, it does not involve children being threatened. This case is unique, and not in a good way. LE, even said, at the bond hearing that if they are released, their safety is in jeopardy.

It is not human to shoot at cars, make threatening phone calls, and throw bricks at a house. It is one thing to vent online, another thing to start breaking the law.

The Moorers' acquittal will make the outrage over Casey's look like a C-SPAN Dept of Agriculture briefing.
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You must be joking. Hardly anyone is paying attention to this case.
 
eileenhawkeye said:
People said the same thing about Casey.

The prosecution's case is not open-shut. For instance, there was no evidence of a murder at PTL despite them saying Heather was killed there. ~Oh this is where a murder took place, well, let's let the father drive home the car~ They couldn't even get a search warrant until they caught them lying. Nope...evidence at the crime scene, cameras, and phone records was not enough. LE might have their vehicle on camera, yet does it show who is in it? What if both sides claim it was the other person driving it who went to PTL and killed Heather? There is the reasonable doubt.
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Can you please provide the link to all of the evidence that the state has?

Thanks.
 
poppygirl said:
My heart aches for these kids and what they must be going thru. I even have sympathy for the mother. It is unimaginable to hear that your child is an accused murderer, to wonder what they are going thru in prison, etc. While I don't have any sympathy for TM or SM, I can understand how hard it must be on their families who had nothing to do with this (at least I HOPE TM's mother had nothing to do with this).

I hope cooler heads prevail - just leave this family alone. Let the Moorers' have their day in court & a jury decide their guilt or innocence (I personally believe they are guilty).

My prayers are with all the lives these 2 idiots destroyed.
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I have 0 sympathy for the mother. And that is all I am going to say.
 
Motherof5 said:
I agree and for me, TM's text says it all.


Nov. 1, 2013

To Heather.. someone's about to get their a-- beat down.. your b--- is about to take his last breath... You can tell me where you are right now or I will find out another way... that way wont have a great turn out for you... I am giving you one last chance to answer before we meet in person.. only one.


Heather did not tell TM where she was. TM found out another way and that way did not have "a great turn out" for Heather. TM didn't put a time limit on her threat.
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This communication to Heather was on November 1st. We know that LE has stated that communication between Sidney and Heather stopped on November 5th.

AFAIK, the only other info we have on the Moorers before Heather went missing is that they took their kids on a cross country trip to California and back in the Mickey camper. It would be very hard for SM to communicate with Heather during this trip. Perhaps TM wanted to put distance between the two of them. Most likely SM's cell phone had been confiscated by Tammy already. Maybe she was hopeful she could get Sidney interested in her again. She seemed like a person who would study her husband's body language, moods etc and it worried her that he seemed distant or preoccupied, unhappy and not interested in her. Maybe that's when she decided it was because of Heather and that she would have to do away with her upon their return. I don't think she waited too long once they got back to Myrtle Beach. I believe it was a matter of days.

Does anyone know when the Moorers left on that trip? Or when they returned home?
 
EmmaRose said:
This communication to Heather was on November 1st. We know that LE has stated that communication between Sidney and Heather stopped on November 5th.

AFAIK, the only other info we have on the Moorers before Heather went missing is that they took their kids on a cross country trip to California and back in the Mickey camper. It would be very hard for SM to communicate with Heather during this trip. Perhaps TM wanted to put distance between the two of them. Most likely SM's cell phone had been confiscated by Tammy already. Maybe she was hopeful she could get Sidney interested in her again. She seemed like a person who would study her husband's body language, moods etc and it worried her that he seemed distant or preoccupied, unhappy and not interested in her. Maybe that's when she decided it was because of Heather and that she would have to do away with her upon their return. I don't think she waited too long once they got back to Myrtle Beach. I believe it was a matter of days.

Does anyone know when the Moorers left on that trip? Or when they returned home?
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Left November 19, returned December 11.

http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/2014/03/18/4104390/testimony-weaves-a-tale-of-how.html
 
Or as stated in the article per Elder...j/k you okg.

This time, Elvis responded only with a period.

That day, Nov. 5, Elder said, was the last time Elvis saw Sidney Moorer . She had no contact with him until Dec. 18.

It’s unclear what happened that day, or how prosecutors know Nov. 5 was the last time she saw Sidney Moorer. But they do know the Moorer family left the area Nov. 19 and drove cross country to California’s Disneyland, Elder said. They returned home on Dec. 11, six days before Sidney Moorer would use a pay phone to reach Elvis on her cell phone.

Read more here: http://www.myrtlebeachonline.com/20...imony-weaves-a-tale-of-how.html#storylink=cpy

I also want to note that Nov. 5th, is stated as the last time Heather & Sidney saw each other. Not calls. I love their wordings...
 
It IS strange that this case is basically of little or no interest, other than locally, as far as media is concerned. Am wondering if the Tilted Kilt/adultery plays a role...i.e in the media's view, bringing this case "down" a notch from what they believe mid-America cares about. Perhaps the gag order has some effect, but I still would think there would be more interest, what with a married couple charged with murdering the girlfriend. Jmo
 
JusticeforHE said:
I don't even know where to begin with this post.. :pullhair:

First, all the evidence hasn't been released yet. We don't know what evidence they do have so you can't say "there is no evidence..". For one, if they have TM/SM truck on video arriving and departing from the landing, they must have video of HE arriving at PTL, even if they don't.. her last cell phone ping placed her at PTL, the same time that the Moorer's were there. Yes, the surveillance videos aren't absolute proof that a murder took place, but if they're the last ones to have contact with HE, and they are placed at the scene of the crime and HE is never seen again...well 2+2=4. :banghead:

Secondly.. to get a murder charge/conviction you don't always need a body and/or murder weapon.


If the missing person hasn't used their SS #, any accounts, spoken to anyone and all activity ceases that one would need to go about daily life, they can be presumed dead. It's been approx six months now since she's been missing.. it's pretty obvious (sadly) that she won't be returning.

Also, unless you are a detective in the case, your claim that they couldn't obtain a search warrant until they caught them lying is invalid. Part of being interrogated is to gather as much information as possible regarding the case. Police aren't going to pick some potential suspects names out of a hat and just decide to search their house. Once they were interviewed and lied to police about their last contact with HE.. that in return gave LE suspicion to search their property.

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There is no "might" have their vehicle on camera. They DO have their truck (down to the customization) on video. I'm not sure why you are asking does it show who is in the truck? Obviously it was TM and or SM in the truck, if they did in fact let somebody borrow or use their vehicle that night for whatever reason. Without a doubt, once LE told them they have video evidence of their truck going to / from PTL, they would have told LE that they weren't in possession of their vehicle and xxxx was using it. But, nope.. they didn't, because they know that THEY were the only ones driving it. As for one of them claiming that only one of them drove to PTL and committed murder, if LE can spot customization of a truck down to it's headlights, etc. They would obviously be able to tell if it was two figures in the truck or one.

Also, going with the theory that TM was hiding in the backseats waiting to ambush HE once she got into the truck. She would most likely leave their home already hidden in the backseats, I highly doubt they would approach PTL and say "oops, let me stop real quick so you can get in the backseats". Although, after killing HE, there would no longer be a reason for TM to hide in the back anymore, which would now show BOTH of them in the vehicle on the way back from PTL.

For all we know, maybe they did stop a distance away from PTL to allow TM to get in position in the back, that could have been captured by surveillance. If a person is getting in/out of a vehicle you would be able to determine their approx height/weight and overall body features a lot better than a quick video frame of them sitting in a truck driving. BINGO - that would be surefire proof and evidence that TM was in fact not only seen hiding in the back to ambush HE, but also extremely damning proof identification that it was her in the truck. :bricks:
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I am not sure why other posts are allowed to assume that the prosecution has a ton of evidence, no way the defense could raise any doubt, any gaps can be explained, etc but if I say the case is not open-shut, this causes issues? If anyone asks any questions, the answer is always that we don't know what they have, or that they are lying to the public to trick the Moorers. Maybe there is a part of their case that is not open/shut?

Where is this camera that shows TM getting into a car? Are we just coming up with hypothetical pieces of evidence to make the prosecution's case stronger? Why would SM stop to let TM into the car? Why would she just be hanging out on the side of the road?

What if these cameras are not HD, do not show every angle, and you can only see one person in it, or no one? Both attorneys claim it wasn't their client. Then, what? I know, we don't know that the cameras don't show both of them in the car, but I am not sure why this possibility won't be considered.
 
Dr. Know? said:
Kind of changing the subject. Not sure which thread we are discussing the article released yesterday about the kids being scared. I checked Horry County Spot Crime map and searched the Moorer/C's addresses & the last reported incident was 2/4/2014 for a suspicious person/vehicle. TM did post a video from their surveillance camera of a guy in a white pickup I remember seeing about that time. Nothing since that date has been reported. jmo

http://spotcrime.com/crime/48472159-a349b0cbb15ff7c6e2776b96412067aa
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Interesting, thanks DK, Would all calls/complaints be listed on spot crime?
 
cluciano63 said:
It IS strange that this case is basically of little or no interest, other than locally, as far as media is concerned. Am wondering if the Tilted Kilt/adultery plays a role...i.e in the media's view, bringing this case "down" a notch from what they believe mid-America cares about. Perhaps the gag order has some effect, but I still would think there would be more interest, what with a married couple charged with murdering the girlfriend. Jmo
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Visitor season. No news. I live in AZ. Weather will always be promising. Yes, they are bringing it down a notch. jmo
 
I believe that LE arrested the Moorers because they murdered an innocent girl for no reason at all and they will pay for their crimes with their lives behind bars.


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cluciano63 said:
It IS strange that this case is basically of little or no interest, other than locally, as far as media is concerned. Am wondering if the Tilted Kilt/adultery plays a role...i.e in the media's view, bringing this case "down" a notch from what they believe mid-America cares about. Perhaps the gag order has some effect, but I still would think there would be more interest, what with a married couple charged with murdering the girlfriend. Jmo
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It surprises me too. I kept on waiting for it to blow up in the national media, but that never happened. I wonder if it is simply because it is a sensational case, but it doesn't stand out from all the other sensational cases? IDK if that makes sense, but there are thousands of cases that have been featured on 48 Hours, Snapped, and ID, and 98% were never big high-profile cases.

ETA: This case involves an affair, but I think the media need more than that. To look at a somewhat similar case that got more attention, the Betty Broderick case, the Brodericks were wealthier and more educated, Betty was more attractive, and there was a bigger debate about whether it was rage that made her do it, what her punishment should be, etc. I only watched one show on that case, and I am skimming over the Wiki article, so I don't know too much about it, though. It was 25 years ago, but I think if you compare them, it makes sense (at least to me) why the case isn't bigger.
 
eileenhawkeye said:
It surprises me too. I kept on waiting for it to blow up in the national media, but that never happened. I wonder if it is simply because it is a sensational case, but it doesn't stand out from all the other sensational cases? IDK if that makes sense, but there are thousands of cases that have been featured on 48 Hours, Snapped, and ID, and 98% were never big high-profile cases.

ETA: This case involves an affair, but I think the media need more than that. To look at a somewhat similar case that got more attention, the Betty Broderick case, the Brodericks were wealthier and more educated, Betty was more attractive, and there was a bigger debate about whether it was rage that made her do it, what her punishment should be, etc. I only watched one show on that case, and I am skimming over the Wiki article, so I don't know too much about it, though. It was 25 years ago, but I think if you compare them, it makes sense (at least to me) why the case isn't bigger.
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Other than "Snapped", most of those shows seem to stick to the suburban-type crimes, or domestic/suburban. As far as Nancy Grace, she seemed to lose interest as soon as Heather went from her presentation of an innocent young teen on a first date, to a TK employee dating a married man. Also, most of the main crime shows wait until after trial to produce anything. I really feel like the factors of Heather's job and behavior of TM, and some of the locals, for example, are factors that make mainstream media less interested, rather than more.

In the Broderick case, the main difference is that Betty tried to kill both, but her ex-husband survived the shooting.
 
If you want to protect children, IMO, you do not:

1. Parade them into court.
2. Parade them into court when you KNOW they are going to hear some very harsh charges, some very sexual charges, and other such things about their parents (true or not).
3. Parade them back into court for more (like "Your mom's pregnant" no wait "she's not pregnant", no wait "she is pregnant")
4. Allow them to stand out in the PARKING LOT of the courthouse after such hearings (ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU SAY THEY ARE BEING 'THREATENED' on a regular basis!!)
5. Allow the, CHILDREN, to be the 'family spokesperson' with the media.

*stopping myself*

I could go on and on - but this, with the children, INFURIATES me.

It is true THEY DID NOTHING wrong!

SOMEONE in the CAISON or MOORER families - please, please, please - if you are reading here at WS -- DO THE RIGHT THING AND TAKE CARE OF THESE KIDS! Give them extra structure and stability. Calm their lives down day to day the best you can. Keep them OUT of the spotlight. PLEASE.
 
cluciano63 said:
Other than "Snapped", most of those shows seem to stick to the suburban-type crimes, or domestic/suburban. As far as Nancy Grace, she seemed to lose interest as soon as Heather went from her presentation of an innocent young teen on a first date, to a TK employee dating a married man. Also, most of the main crime shows wait until after trial to produce anything. I really feel like the factors of Heather's job and behavior of TM, and some of the locals, for example, are factors that make mainstream media less interested, rather than more.

In the Broderick case, the main difference is that Betty tried to kill both, but her ex-husband survived the shooting.
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Heather went missing right before Christmas, and that is right around a very slow news week, and this was before the affair, yet the media had no interest even then. So there was no interest in a young attractive woman going missing, possibly abducted by a stranger. NG was on hiatus until Jan 6, when she featured Heather's case, but I remember on the first showing, they only spent a few minutes on the case.

TBH, I don't think some people would be able to handle it if this was a huge high-profile case. The general public's online comments would not go over well. The posts people don't like on FB? They are nothing compared to what would be said, and the magnitude of them, if the case was a huge media circus. I honestly bet there would be people replying to every single not 100%-positive online comment about the case, and flipping out and criticizing everything the media writes. It is best that it stays a local story.
 
Why is it not okay for CM to be in court, but it is okay for ME? She is only about a year older. Her sister was murdered, and she will surely hear disturbing details. Is 17 the cut-off age? 16? Or are they both too young?

CM could possibly be 17 or 18 when the trial starts. If he is 18, he is an adult. If he is 17, is that old enough?

Also, both have been at the bond hearings but It does not mean they will be at the trial. They might not attend on certain days, if testimony would upset them.
 
eileenhawkeye said:
Why is it not okay for CM to be in court, but it is okay for ME? She is only about a year older. Her sister was murdered, and she will surely hear disturbing details. Is 17 the cut-off age? 16? Or are they both too young?

CM could possibly be 17 or 18 when the trial starts. If he is 18, he is an adult. If he is 17, is that old enough?

Also, both have been at the bond hearings but It does not mean they will be at the trial. They might not attend on certain days, if testimony would upset them.
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Well, for one thing ME's parents are there and sitting with her and can protect her if needed. She has probably been told by her parents what happened to her sister, so she isn't hearing anything she doesn't already know.

But, the main reason is ME isn't hearing what a despicable human beings her parents are and how they murdered an innocent 20 year old. I would think that would be reason enough.
 
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