Check Fraud case information

[strawberry]

:waitasec:

That article was updated at:
Posted: 4:51 pm EST January 18, 2010
Updated: 5:03 pm EST January 18, 2010

As it stands as of 9:20 AM EST, the court calendar is still showing both court dates as scheduled.

Three different stations, three different stories. All based on information from a day the court wasn't even open.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Tulessa I saw that as well...but how do we know that Dave didn't ask the baliff before court convened to see if JS would allow a brief moment afterward. That is my point. Yes, he was called up but we don't know that it wasn't based upon his own request. Dave is a blogger....great......but while he presents that he was called out for face time with the Judge, we don't know that it isn't ummmmmmm literary embellishment.

I want to say, sleuth, that I've been catching up on many posts I've missed, and I've truly enjoyed yours. You've given us many points to ponder in several threads. Thanks.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

:waitasec:

Three different stations, three different stories. All based on information from a day the court wasn't even open.

Good point, strawberry. Just goes to show how things can be manipulated. Whisper in person 1's ear and by the time the story gets to person 10, it's a different story - or at least vastly altered.

 

[denjet]

Wonder if it is just a coincidence that the 3 counties JB is specifically requesting are the main counties where the voters were incapable of using the ballot correctly? Just sayin' is all....

LOL What I want to know is why the defense is even mentioning the counties they suggest it should be moved to ?? Originally, way back when COV motions were premature, Baez was requesting the trial be moved to another county and that the info about the county should not be released and kept secret until trial ... we all know that changed and he started listing other counties he preferred, mainly Miami. The only reason to do that would be to bring the case into the news in Miami and the other counties thus tainting the jury pool in other counties.

Is that the plan, keep mentioning other counties for COV so the defense can say they can't get a fair trial in the whole state? I say this because both Lyon and Baez have changed their mantra a bit from "She can't get a fair trial in Orlando" to "They don't think she can get a fair trial" period.

Laying the groundwork of excuses when they lose? Laying the groundwork for appeals? They've also been in the news talking about how hard the case is and the mountain of evidence they have to go thru, blah, blah, blah ...

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Laying the groundwork of excuses when they lose? Laying the groundwork for appeals? They've also been in the news talking about how hard the case is and the mountain of evidence they have to go thru, blah, blah, blah ...

They've also complained KC can't get a fair trial because of all the media publicity and that she's already been tried by public opinion - all the while they are on TV talking about it. Let's not forget, JB in his infinite defense attorney wisdom, argued against a gag order.

:banghead:

 

[wenwe4]

ok, let me get this straight . . . the defense has not deposed AH, or the BOA employee, or the Target employees, setting themselves up for "ineffective counsel" on the check charges and stating they can't get a fair trial in Florida. So this bodes well for them to be the dp defense in a murder trail? Somehow, I would just have to ask JB, "now what was your point again?"

 

[LambChop]

Good grief, she took a little over $700 from AH and her defense team is treating it as if it is the trial of the century. She's been caught red-handed, get over it and get it out of the way. There is no way they will keep it out of the murder trial as it is in her missing child's statement she wrote up for the police.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Good grief, she took a little over $700 from AH and her defense team is treating it as if it is the trial of the century. She's been caught red-handed, get over it and get it out of the way. There is no way they will keep it out of the murder trial as it is in her missing child's statement she wrote up for the police.

EXACTLY. The only reason I can think of that JB and team aren't pleading her out...is that this will be the foundation of their defense. "AH gave KC permission to use her checking account....AH knew that KC was "looking" for her daughter by lying, stealing, etc.".....I mean, come on...what possible defense could they have?

 

[LaLaw2000]

Casey should just plead guilty or no contest to the check charges. She was on film, FGS, and there is no question of her guilt. There is no reason in this world why this trial should not be tried right there in Judge Stricklands' courtroom and be over with.

I am sick to death of criminals and their defense lawyers playing the system with delay after delay and motion after motion. Casey is a thief, period. AH is the victim of Casey's theft. Try her for it already!

If Baez has not done his homework in the case - TS! He cannot blame anyone but himself and his game playing for that, IMO. He just does not want his little client to have a check fraud conviction before her murder trial. Guess what, Baez? We do not always get what we want. You should know that by now!

I am furious about any further delays!

 

[Patty G]

As of 12:55 PM EST, the court calendar remains the same EVEN though the media has annouced the change.

01/21/2010
10:00 AM
Hearing

01/25/2010
10:00 AM
Trial




http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ony-fraud-case-trial-20100119,0,7171975.story

http://www.wesh.com/news/22264076/detail.html
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ony-fraud-case-trial-20100119,0,7171975.story

 

[LambChop]

Casey should just plead guilty or no contest to the check charges. She was on film, FGS, and there is no question of her guilt. There is no reason in this world why this trial should not be tried right there in Judge Stricklands' courtroom and be over with.

I am sick to death of criminals and their defense lawyers playing the system with delay after delay and motion after motion. Casey is a thief, period. AH is the victim of Casey's theft. Try her for it already!

If Baez has not done his homework in the case - TS! He cannot blame anyone but himself and his game playing for that, IMO. He just does not want his little client to have a check fraud conviction before her murder trial. Guess what, Baez? We do not always get what we want. You should know that by now!

I am furious about any further delays!

LaLaw, please correct me if I am wrong but AH would have had to fill out a report to the police about the thief would she not? So KC cannot say AH gave her permission on those forged checks because AH would then be guilty of filing a false police report plus AH was reimbursed by the bank. So that will not fly.

And JS basically told JB that he was willing to give KC time served which I believe he was saying bring her before me and it will be a fast decision, no limelight, no big ta da, just plain and simple - over with. Not complicated. That is what I understood the judge wanted to do on 12/11/09. So why are they creating such a big issue over this fraud trial. Anyone else would have been over and done with by now.

KC got caught with her hand in the cookie jar and she wants a COV, wants a jury trial, probably will want a refund on the money JB sent to BOA. No depo from the BOA employee??? So now it is the employee's fault and also the Target cashier, of course their fault, too. I can see Juror #1 to Juror #2 "Yep, cashier's fault, totally not KC's fault, yep, yep, serves them right."

Hope the judge gives JB a verbal spanking.

 

[logicalgirl]

LaLaw, please correct me if I am wrong but AH would have had to fill out a report to the police about the thief would she not? So KC cannot say AH gave her permission on those forged checks because AH would then be guilty of filing a false police report plus AH was reimbursed by the bank. So that will not fly.

And JS basically told JB that he was willing to give KC time served which I believe he was saying bring her before me and it will be a fast decision, no limelight, no big ta da, just plain and simple - over with. Not complicated. That is what I understood the judge wanted to do on 12/11/09. So why are they creating such a big issue over this fraud trial. Anyone else would have been over and done with by now.

KC got caught with her hand in the cookie jar and she wants a COV, wants a jury trial, probably will want a refund on the money JB sent to BOA. No depo from the BOA employee??? So now it is the employee's fault and also the Target cashier, of course their fault, too. I can see Juror #1 to Juror #2 "Yep, cashier's fault, totally not KC's fault, yep, yep, serves them right."

Hope the judge gives JB a verbal spanking.

Are you getting the feeling we're going to hear a plea on Monday? I've been one of the "no way" ers, but now - dunno - leaning that way. Maybe they'll get Andrea to stand up with Casey and pinch the inside of Casey's upper arm to get her to plead guilty and say her piece.

 

[Jomo]

Are you getting the feeling we're going to hear a plea on Monday? I've been one of the "no way" ers, but now - dunno - leaning that way. Maybe they'll get Andrea to stand up with Casey and pinch the inside of Casey's upper arm to get her to plead guilty and say her piece.

I seem to remember Richard Hornsby stating that if he were Baez, he would motion to merge the two trial. (Sorry, no link until his site is back up and running). Maybe one of you who is more "hip on the lingo" remembers it and could explain it better that I can. Could this be happening? Could it be that Baez is following Blog advice?

 

[strawberry]

As of 12:55 PM EST, the court calendar remains the same EVEN though the media has annouced the change.

01/21/2010
10:00 AM
Hearing

01/25/2010
10:00 AM
Trial




http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ony-fraud-case-trial-20100119,0,7171975.story

http://www.wesh.com/news/22264076/detail.html
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...ony-fraud-case-trial-20100119,0,7171975.story

Still unchanged as of 1:59

 

[trixi491]

Why would the defense go through all the trouble of a COV for the check fraud case when she so obviously will be found guilty? All it will do is bring attention to her to another county, which will make 1 less county eligible for the murder trial COV imo. :waitasec: Also, if I was JS I would be pizzzzzzzzed at her defense for waiting LESS THAN A WEEK before the trial started to remind him that they need to depose AH and argue their motion for COV. The date was set a while ago with them present..why did they wait this long?? I hope his anger shows through on Monday!

 

[debs]

Maybe it's more "misinformation" in an attempt to keep the public attention away from the courtroom. Eh, who knows.

 

[QB.]

For what its worth, I check the court calendar often and find that it sometimes takes a day to show an entry on the docket whether it be for motions filed etc. So we may not see the change to the docket until tomorrow. But I could be wrong.

 

[texaslb218]

Are you getting the feeling we're going to hear a plea on Monday? I've been one of the "no way" ers, but now - dunno - leaning that way. Maybe they'll get Andrea to stand up with Casey and pinch the inside of Casey's upper arm to get her to plead guilty and say her piece.

I want to help pinch her, please!!

 

[LolaMoon08]

Can't somebody do something about them not even working on the murder trial? They haven't even taken many depositions in that either?

I know we don't know everything that they are working on but as far as I can tell they have done very little to prepare for a murder trial other than file motion after motion on irrelevant things... things (like the video taping of the family visits) numerous times even though it had already been ruled on prior?

How many depositions have they even taken in the murder trial? Do they even have any expert witnesses?

I understand that they have a right to be able to defend their client and need time in order to get everything together but it seems like they are not even trying at all to get prepared for a murder trial.

They spend all of their time doing media appearances, book signings and filing motions that are borderline kindergarden temper tantrums instead of professional motions that would help their client.

At this rate this trial won't happen until 2020.

Can't somebody put their foot down? Can't JS say "look the trial is January 2011... be ready." I guess not because if the defense says they are not ready then they can't force them to go to trial. So, basically the defense can hold this off as long as they want.

I also remember reading that they are barely even visiting Casey in jail. How can you build a case without talking to your client? Oh, I forgot, they have nothing to talk to her about since they are doing NOTHING.

 

[nitasch]

Just finished reading the motions (have not read all the posts here yet, so if this has been discussed, please forgive) and one general theme really stands out to me.

Either JB and AL BELIEVE that all individuals in OC are brain dead zombies absorbing every word they read in a news article or blog that is NEGATIVE to their client (but certainly not the PRO KC stuff) or they are trying to convince the judge of that.

I find it insulting, and I am not a resident of OC.

I am quite sure there are plenty of individuals out there that do not have their mind made up on the murder charges....but come on...how on earth can JB and AL believe they have any chance of winning this check fraud case? On tape writing and cashing checks, on tape apologizing to AH (visitation video, message passed through CA) receipts of purchases... reimbursement by the defense.... I don't think it matters if anyone has seen one article or news story on the check fraud charges, this is an open an closed case.

What a waste of time and expense for the folks in OC....

I just realized, they contradict themselves by hammering on the web exposure this case has had, and then drop that argument like a stone when they state that the other counties have had fewer news stories run on television.... hmmmmm