Chemo May Be Forced on 17-Year-Old Cancer Patient

  • #81
I just wish more people understood that to "fully support and love someone" doesn't also mean you have to agree with, accept, and encourage self destructive choices or behaviors. (Or in this case, self-destructive avoidance of lifesaving care.)

I think the mother should be allowed to be there in the hospital with Cassandra, if they both want that. I do think that supervision is still necessary, to make sure treatment isn't sabotaged, but I think keeping them apart with only brief twice weekly visits is just stoking the fires of resentment (mother's resentment, mostly). Better we should nurture this mother/ daughter bond, as they both face scary and difficult times. Lead by example, welcome the mother's care and presence for her daughter, show her what she can do, and how she can help nurture Cassandra. Help the mother feel needed, especially since she is so angry her decision making was usurped by the courts.

Sure, having hostile family members around on a hospital unit is no picnic for the staff-- but these are really the families that need us most to teach and lead by example. I'm sure there are some nurses that would want no part of caring for Cassandra if Mom was there all the time, and would avoid being assigned to her, but others would step up, and hopefully build a bridge of trust over time. Difficult families are always a challenge, but we owe it to them to try, and try again-- as long as there is no overt abuse of the staff, or sabotage of the medical and nursing care. Angry families mean we just have to work harder to understand each other. I've learned over many years that often "angry, critical, and resentful" = "very scared." Angry patients and families often feel out of control, anxious, and intimidated by medical care and experiences, if you look behind the anger.

(But often that's pie in the sky optimism-- because in the next breath, I can tell you that angry & resentful patients and families are the most draining and frustrating people to care for.)
I am not much of a theory person. When you say her mom should be in the hospital with her but with supervision my mind immediately jumps to, "Who? What hours? What kind of supervision? Who pays? Who do they report to? What constitutes sabotage?" and on and on. She will be done with this first go round by the time that all gets ironed out.
 
  • #82
I am not much of a theory person. When you say her mom should be in the hospital with her but with supervision my mind immediately jumps to, "Who? What hours? What kind of supervision? Who pays? Who do they report to? What constitutes sabotage?" and on and on. She will be done with this first go round by the time that all gets ironed out.

I like the way you think. Your questions are probably a buzz kill at times, but that is exactly what we need more of when people constantly say "I think the government should...."

You need your own talk show, lol...
 
  • #83
I believe it would work the same way supervised visits with a noncustodial parent in a divorce situation works. The supervisor would be a social worker from the hospital or DCF, the hours of the visit would be mutually agreed upon, the hospital or DCF pays the social worker and they report to their manager and sabotage would be the mother telling Cassandra that the social workers, DCF and the doctors were wrong and trying to harm her with what most people would consider life-saving treatment she is lucky to have. Cassandra's mother may believe with all her heart that she is right and the medical establishment is wrong, but that does not mean she actually is right or that she is giving her child good advice and care.
 
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DCF considering group home for Cassandra during chemo break.

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-cassandra-group-home-0122-20150121-story.html

Cassandra C., the teenager battling the state over chemotherapy, is now between treatments and may leave Connecticut Children's Medical Center and go to a specialized group home to receive further medical care until the regimen resumes, the Department of Children and Families said Wednesday.

Meanwhile, lawyers for the 17-year-old Windsor Lock girl and her mother, Jackie Fortin, are preparing to return to the child-protection session of Superior Court in Middletown and ask for a hearing that further explores whether Cassandra is mature enough and legally capable to make the decision to refuse chemotherapy. Cassandra has been diagnosed with Hodgkin's lymphoma.

And another article, an opinion piece from the attorney representing Jackie Fortin, Cassandra's mother.

http://www.courant.com/opinion/op-e...n-cassandra-case-bad-0122-20150121-story.html
 
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Has anyone read about Jared Bucey? The situation has a lot of similarities: age, type of cancer, a mother who is into natural medicine. He calls himself "Kid Against Chemo" and, to my knowledge, hasn't had to plead his case in court.

But, honestly, I can support his decision a little more than hers on the basis of how he articulates it. While she talks about not wanting to miss work and just wanting to try alternatives, he seems to have done a lot of research and come to a firm conclusion that alternative medicine is the way to go. And while I think it's a stupid decision, he does seem to be able to articulate his position for himself.

Anyway, I just thought it was interesting how similar the cases were.
 
  • #89
HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) - A 17-year-old girl forced by the courts to undergo chemotherapy for her cancer has finished that treatment and was released Monday from a hospital where she had been confined since December.

The teen, identified only as Cassandra C, told The Associated Press in text messages that she was discharged from a Hartford hospital on Monday afternoon and was going home to Windsor Locks, about 15 miles away.

http://www.wave3.com/story/28904782/teen-who-fought-cancer-treatment-heads-home-from-hospital
 
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First time I read about this case. How can the state force someone to submit to the states idea of appropriate medical treatment? That IMO is utter craziness.
America, your constitution is dead!
 
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The Medical Kidnapping of Cassandra in Connecticut – First Interview Since Forced Chemo
http://medicalkidnap.com/2015/07/22/the-medical-kidnapping-of-cassandra-in-connecticut-first-interview-since-forced-chemo/

Thats a very interesting interview, but I’m not sure what the point of it was. I don’t think it did much to make their case. The interviewer is irritating as hell. He seems to have some agenda. I don’t even care to find out what it is though.
 
  • #95
First time I read about this case. How can the state force someone to submit to the states idea of appropriate medical treatment? That IMO is utter craziness.
America, your constitution is dead!

Which part of the Constitution specifically is being violated? I’m interested to know.
 
  • #96
I guess the forced treatment didn't cure her. Hmm.

Which is not remarkable. Even with the treatment, she had only an 80% chance of survival. Very possibly the delays in her treatment, while she was fighting it, lowered those odds even more.
 
  • #97
Because to me, her decision sounds suicidal. And we don't just let people commit suicide, do we?

I don’t think this case is quite that black and white, as to be suicidal. It is more a case of a girl and her mother, disagreeing with her physician on what is the best course of treatment. Because with the treatment she had only an 80% chance of survival. Even without it, she still had a small chance of survival.

Thats said, I think the case was handled the right way. I think most normal people would agree that given the choice between an 80% chance of survival, vs maybe a 1% chance of survival, the 80% alternative out weighs pretty much any negative side effects.
 
  • #98
Which part of the Constitution specifically is being violated? I’m interested to know.

Uhmmm...The right to refuse medical treatment?
The issue in this case is that the patient was 17 and I guess does not qualify for this right. Nor do her parents apparently.
Therefore the state has complete control of your children. I hope you trust your government 100% that they are working to serve your best interests. Cause they couldn't possibly be more concerned with the interests of the corporations and military industrial complex who controls them?

Also I think your constitution says something about the right to parent your child??

Home of the free? Please...
 
  • #99
I don’t think this case is quite that black and white, as to be suicidal. It is more a case of a girl and her mother, disagreeing with her physician on what is the best course of treatment. Because with the treatment she had only an 80% chance of survival. Even without it, she still had a small chance of survival.

Thats said, I think the case was handled the right way. I think most normal people would agree that given the choice between an 80% chance of survival, vs maybe a 1% chance of survival, the 80% alternative out weighs pretty much any negative side effects.

You have to believe those statistics to agree with what the best choice is. Do Americans not have the right to choose what they believe?
 
  • #100
Uhmmm...The right to refuse medical treatment?
The issue in this case is that the patient was 17 and I guess does not qualify for this right. Nor do her parents apparently.
Therefore the state has complete control of your children. I hope you trust your government 100% that they are working to serve your best interests. Cause they couldn't possibly be more concerned with the interests of the corporations and military industrial complex who controls them?

Also I think your constitution says something about the right to parent your child??

Home of the free? Please...

No, I’m pretty sure it doesn't say that anywhere in the US Constitution. The girl has very good lawyers. I’m sure they would make a constitutional argument , if there was one to be made.
 

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