Chicago Police Kill 2 During Domestic Disturbance Call

[Sonya610]

Why did Ms Jones need to open her door? Was her door the access to the father's second floor apartment? Why was she drug into it in the first place? I'm confused.

Just guessing here but the main entrance was probably near Ms. Jones apartment.

If the dad was hiding in his bedroom upstairs he didn't want to go down, so he called her and had her open the front door (instead of paying to repair the door if the police had to break in?).

IMO he should also be sued for this. I doubt if the police shot her and then later shot the son, the son almost certainly was near the woman tenant when they both were shot. He put his tenant in danger not only from the police but ALSO from the crazy son while he hid behind a locked door.

 

[bluesneakers]

Just guessing here but the main entrance was probably near Ms. Jones apartment.

If the dad was hiding in his bedroom upstairs he didn't want to go down, so he called her and had her open the front door (instead of paying to repair the door if the police had to break in?).

He told her not to open her door until the police arrived. Do you think she and Quintonio were in the apartment together? Because how else would she be on one side of the door and the police on the other?

eta:

LeGrier then called Jones. “My son is a little irate,” he recounted telling her, according to the Sun-Times. “Do not open the door unless the police arrive.”

Jones told LeGrier she saw his son outside with a baseball bat.

 

[Sonya610]

He told her not to open her door until the police arrived. Do you think she and Quintonio were in the apartment together? Because how else would she be on one side of the door and the police on the other?

I don't understand what you are saying. I am assuming that there was a shared entrance and then two separate apartment entrances. If she had to go let the police in then she could have encountered the son, putting HER in danger while the father hid for his own safety.

 

[bluesneakers]

Why did Ms Jones need to open her door? Was her door the access to the father's second floor apartment? Why was she drug into it in the first place? I'm confused.

I think she opened her apartment door when the cops got there so that when they shot Quintonio at the front door she was standing behind him and was shot unintentionally.

I'm not completely sure though. It's hard without a picture to understand what happened.

 

[Sonya610]

Now the mother is saying her son was "never violent" just mentally ill.

Uh huh. So the father was lying when he called the police?

Janet Cooksey, the mother of LeGrier, told CNN affiliate WLS that her son died of several gunshot wounds.

"I went to the hospital; my son has seven bullet wounds in him," Cooksey said. "And that's too much."

WLS reported that LeGrier's father called 911 saying his son was holding a metal baseball bat and acting erratic.

"He was having a mental situation. Sometimes he will get loud, but not violent," Cooksey told the station, referring to her son.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/26/us/chicago-police-shooting/

 

[bluesneakers]

I don't understand what you are saying. I am assuming that there was a shared entrance and then two separate apartment entrances. If she had to go let the police in then she could have encountered the son, putting HER in danger while the father hid for his own safety.

Okay. I think it was a separate entrance to the building so he told her not to open her door. I think she opened her door after the police arrived and that's why she was shot, not that she had to open the door to let them in.

Jones' relatives believe she was behind LeGrier, near the entrance to her apartment, and was shot by mistake.

 

[Tillicum]

Okay. I think it was a separate entrance to the building so he told her not to open her door. I think she opened her door after the police arrived and that's why she was shot, not that she had to open the door to let them in.

But...

Legrier's father, who had locked himself in the bedroom of his second-floor unit, had told Jones, his downstairs tenant, not to approach his son, but to let the police in when they arrived.

http://abc7chicago.com/news/2-shot-in-chicago-officer-involved-shooting/1136416/

 

[DexterMorgan]

I don't understand what you are saying. I am assuming that there was a shared entrance and then two separate apartment entrances. If she had to go let the police in then she could have encountered the son, putting HER in danger while the father hid for his own safety.

There are brownstone homes where 1 family lives upstairs and one family lives downstairs. But they both share the main door that gets inside the dwelling. And they both have a separate door that gets inside their personal apartment.

So maybe they live in a brownstone type dwelling and the neighbor opened the main door. Jmo.

But Nyc has these 2 shared type family dwellings as well.

So this could be the case here as well idk

 

[DexterMorgan]

Now the mother is saying her son was "never violent" just mentally ill.

Uh huh. So the father was lying when he called the police?

The 20 million dollar lawsuit can have one change perspective at any given moment. Jmo

 

[bluesneakers]

But...


http://abc7chicago.com/news/2-shot-in-chicago-officer-involved-shooting/1136416/

Jones's daughter said it was as her mother went to open the front door of the two flat she was awakened by at least a dozen gunshots.

That makes it sound like she did have to open the door, so why was she standing behind him?

 

[bluesneakers]

The 20 million dollar lawsuit can have one change perspective at any given moment. Jmo

So can a dead son.

JMO

 

[Gardenlady]

I thought the father called 911 because the son was being violent. Hard to have sympathy if they called the cops for a violent teen, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out cops arrive ready to shoot.

Also another article mentions dogs? And they don't know who owned them? Were dogs shot during this fiasco too? I can't read the tribune articles, membership only.

Sure, it might behoove all of us now to expect cops always show up ready to shoot, but for gods sake, SHOULD they?? Not every damn situation calls for guns blazing.

For those of you with no empathy at all when this Ish happens to black men or women, black teens, black families - eventually it's (and ialready is) gonna happen to you/your friend/your family. What then?


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[Gardenlady]

What's with the "resulting in the discharge of the officer's weapon" language? Just say he shot and killed him. The gun didn't go off by itself.

JMO



RIP Quintonio.

RIP Bettie.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/26/us/chicago-police-shooting/

Right? He language is so passive. Like the weapon just "happened" to go off. While in the possession of the officer. And just "happened" to hit and kill someone.


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[Gardenlady]

You are preaching to the choir my friend. But presently; I do not know 1 civil rights lawyer. And trust me. If it hits the fan and someone comes to me for free representation. I would still be skeptical before signing anything. Jmo.

Not everyone has the money or smarts to be choosy in a situation like this. The victims' families are often poor or otherwise marginalized. If they take the first offer from whatever civil rights attorney, who can blame them? They have no voice or access otherwise.

I'm always amused when, in threads similar to this one, people start moaning about the presence of civil rights lawyers, or activists like Sharpton, Jackson, etc. you know what? If you are poor, have no leverage with government or society, those are EXACTLY the people you want on your side. Because as much as white America hates them, their name and influence alone will do a LOT to even the field.

Honestly, the uproar of white america over the presence of civil rights figures in these cases amuses the hell out of me. Know why these guys exist? Because white America still turns a blind eye and deaf ear. Squeaky wheel gets the grease, and all that.


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[bluesneakers]

There are brownstone homes where 1 family lives upstairs and one family lives downstairs. But they both share the main door that gets inside the dwelling. And they both have a separate door that gets inside their personal apartment.

So maybe they live in a brownstone type dwelling and the neighbor opened the main door. Jmo.

But Nyc has these 2 shared type family dwellings as well.

So this could be the case here as well idk

I've been searching around with street view and I think it's exactly like you're saying. There would be a shared hallway.

 

[DexterMorgan]

So can a dead son.

JMO

Lol. I like the jmo at the end. Very sneaky my friend. Lol. Much love.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I've been searching around with street view and I think it's exactly like you're saying. There would be a shared hallway.

Agree. Now I don't know the outlook of their shared dwelling. But it sounds like the most plausible since a neighbor was bombarded by simply opening up a main door for police to get to the actual apartment that the disturbance originally came from. Jmo for now.

 

[kimlynn]

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/1207663/chicago-police-shoot-2-people-austin

From your link and I totally missed it on first read:

That statement also extended condolences for the shooting of Jones and pledged the department’s full cooperation with the investigation by the Independent Police Review Authority.

Responding officers, according to the statement, “were confronted by a combative subject resulting in the discharging of the officer’s weapon which fatally wounded two individuals. The 55 year old female victim was accidentally struck and tragically killed. The department extends it’s deepest condolences to the victim’s family and friends.”

 

[DexterMorgan]

I've been searching around with street view and I think it's exactly like you're saying. There would be a shared hallway.

Btw. If police knew that this was a shared dwelling by 2 separate tenants. Then why open fire on the person who unlocked the main door.

Especially if it could be a neighbor. Idk.

 

[bluesneakers]

Btw. If police knew that this was a shared dwelling by 2 separate tenants. Then why open fire on the person who unlocked the main door.

Especially if it could be a neighbor. Idk.

IMO which might change but based on what I've read so far I think the officer saw the baseball bat, freaked out, and started shooting. I haven't read anything about attempting to negotiate or anyone making any threats or demands, and the only two witnesses are dead. I'm sure we'll get a more detailed statement soon.