Child forced to urinate in seat of plane

[Karmady]

I have to lol at these people who think a toddler accident on a plane is more than a minor inconvenience, much less something to drag into the media. Little kids pee their pants accidentally all the time...in cars, at the store, in church, at school...name it. Wth is so special about this particular accident? My only concern is for the poor schlep who has to sit in the peepee seat next lol

I was on an international flight with my daughter when she was a toddler. She was belted on my lap for landing (even though she had her own seat - they insisted) and got a bad nosebleed, as she was prone to do. The flight attendants wouldn't let me get up to get tissues, etc., wouldn't get up to help me and wouldn't let me clean her up after me landed because it was hazmat. She was screaming and crying and the more she screamed and cried, the worse the bleeding got. We got off the plane looking like two slashing victims. We had to get our luggage like that, including the pack and play, car seats, etc. and then ride two hours to our final destination. Somehow we survived and it's just a funny story that we tell about her baby days. People seriously need to get over themselves imo

 

[JeannaT]

This whole story is completely nuts. It's embarrassing when your child wets their pants in public but life goes on.

No news story here.

 

[Linda7NJ]

BBM. Not quite right.



They actually WERE imminently taking off, when the mother got up to clean up the mess. The pilot, at that point, with her arguing with flight attendants, had to return to the gate-- causing a FLIGHT DELAY.







http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/hollering-man-spurs-pilot-divert-jetblue-flight-n131721



BBM



The problem was not the child not being allowed to use the bathroom, but the mother getting up to clean up when they were ready to take off.



I do not think Jet Blue should have compensated this argumentative woman one single penny. She should be thanking her lucky stars she wasn't kicked off the plane and ARRESTED. She was out of line, period, end. This is 100% the problem of a mom who feels some kind of "entitlement" to argue with flight crews and do whatever she wants, just because her 3 yo wet her pants. I feel very sorry for flight crews who increasingly have to deal with "me first" attitudes and surly passengers.



Good grief-- they could have been imminently on take off roll-- heavy, fully loaded, and full of fuel. There could have been a plane landing right over their head, while they waited their turn to turn onto the ACTIVE RUNWAY. What is wrong with people?? I'm guessing they had to ask her more than once to sit down, and that's why the FA had to get the pilot involved.



The woman should have stayed in her seat and shut her mouth. She set a terrible example for her child to see, IMO. As soon as they climbed out-- mere minutes, she could have cleaned up and helped her child change. But no-- she had to make a scene and DELAY the ENTIRE PLANE. And we are supposed to feel sorry for her? Bash the flight crew, whose job it is to keep everyone in their seats and secured for take off?? Wow.

The flight was sitting there already DELAYED for 30 minutes.


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[K_Z]

I'll even go a step further and say I find it completely inappropriate that the woman had her 3 yo daughter, who was all dolled up for the cameras, on camera in the interviews.

Completely inappropriate, IMO. Parading a 3 yo on camera for an incident like this is further embarrassing the child. Which will be on the internet for years. I see that as an extremely poor, narcissistic parenting decision.

Having the child on camera was, IMO, more about the mama showing off her beautiful little child, than anything beneficial to the child. A 3 year old is not an adult. Some parents have a hard time viewing their children as children, and not little adults. IMO.

 

[Donjeta]

I find it rather ironic how posters keep commenting it isn't news worthy...yet...took the time to post.

I think it's rather sad how some people poo poo their own child's feelings.
I know for a fact my own child nearing the age of four would have been devastated to wet himself. He would have been mortified. I have EMPATHY & respect for children's feelings. It's like children are completely devalued in society.
A hysterical gushing & covered in blood toddler ....never would that be looked back on as a funny story, to me.
I find it all very sad.
I'm thrilled she got an apology. I'm also glad so many others on that plane stuck up for her.

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I agree that the child may have been mortified but I think that media attention on her accident was likely to just mortify her some more, not make it any better. The apology was for the mom's benefit, not the child's. The best thing for the child would have been to move on and forget all about it as soon as she was changed.

 

[nightwatch]

I agree jet blue did not have to apologize nor give compensation to this mother. I guess it makes for good customer relations.

Also I get nervous when someone wants to get up when no one is suppose to be in the aisle. I always think of Todd Beamer Let's Roll.
Jmo

ciao

 

[Karmady]

I find it rather ironic how posters keep commenting it isn't news worthy...yet...took the time to post.

I think it's rather sad how some people poo poo their own child's feelings.
I know for a fact my own child nearing the age of four would have been devastated to wet himself. He would have been mortified. I have EMPATHY & respect for children's feelings. It's like children are completely devalued in society.
A hysterical gushing & covered in blood toddler ....never would that be looked back on as a funny story, to me.
I find it all very sad.
I'm thrilled she got an apology. I'm also glad so many others on that plane stuck up for her.





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My daughter would be the gushing blood toddler. Coincidentally, she called me on the phone while I was in the middle of posting this response. So I took the opportunity to make sure that I wasn't just lacking in empathy, etc. and to figure out whether I've scarred her for life. I told her someone thought I was kind of mean and inconsiderate to think that was a funny story. She said, Mom, omg, the story is HILARIOUS and I don't even remember that actually happening. Maybe if I'd told her it was traumatizing and incredibly mean, she'd think otherwise. As it stands, it's a funny story. We prefer it that way

 

[redheadedgal]

here's a jetblue customer/parent who had a legitimate gripe... was he allowed to board intoxicated or was he illegally served/overserved on the flight?

drunk man pees on 11 yr old: http://nypost.com/2011/08/11/drunk-man-pees-on-11-year-old-girl-on-jetblue-flight/

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I fly a lot, and so I know that flight attendants can get into a fair bit of trouble if they do not caution/prohibit passengers from leaving their seats at some points during a flight. There are also quasi-passengers, if I can coin the term, who are aboard some flights partly to ensure that protocols are met: e.g., marshals, service evaluators, etc. Those folks are there in part to ensure that the crew follows the rules. If someone wants to break the rules they instate, and they do nothing to respond to them, well, the flight crew is in big trouble, and it's usually a 1-strike-you're out situation.

Aside from all of that, I would contend that there are basic realities about travel. Not talking about this case or any in particular. Perhaps it would be a good idea for people going on flights to urinate before they board. Perhaps it would be advised that one shouldn't consume a number of juice boxes before they board a flight.

This was a short flight, and it did actually have toilet facilities. I actually think that is a luxury, in a way, as I often take flights that are 4-5 times longer in aircraft having no bathroom facilities whatsoever (and yes, there are sometimes kids on board). Passengers in need have to (forgive my language) pee or poo into a bag in the cargo hold if they so need. Or use their pants. (Fortunately, neither happens often.)

Again, JMO, but if a kid (or adult) pees or poops her/himself on a flight (or basically farts for an entire flight), I think that most people will just think, well, so be it.

I don't mean to blame the parent or child here, but I definitely don't want to blame the flight attendant. For those who would say that they would just defy her/him and go to the bathroom regardless, well, you might just cost the flight attendant her/his job.

Please send me the name of that airlines because I won't be using them anytime soon!!! Ack! :scared:

 

[rob]

I remember when a toddler's potty accident wasn't newsworthy.

Me too. But these days, there's generally a big pay-off in the story.

 

[Minette]

Welcome to post 9/11 air travel. Yes, I'm sure the flight attendant gleefully *forced* the little girl to pee in her seat, knowing that the crew was going to be ones to have to do all the paperwork, possibly clean up the pee-filled seat, explain to JetBlue admin and ATC why the plane disrupted the schedule of hundreds of passengers and the queue of departing planes, not to mention the plane waiting to get to the gate it just left, etc. However, the post 9/11 security rules are not the only reason that people have to be sitting down when a plane is taxiing, or might imminently be taxiing--it is that a vehicle weighing 100+ tons cannot maneuver on the ground (no matter how good the pilot is) without some potential unpredictable movement, which endangers not only the passenger who is standing up & could be knocked off his or her feet but also anyone else who could be on the receiving end of 100+ lbs. of falling weight.

You might think the laws of physics are mean and unfair, but you can't really argue with them.

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

I'm sure this incident was terribly embarrassing for the little thing... but, kids this age tend to move on from things like this pretty quickly. Mom should have just chalked it up to a learning experience and be better prepared next time.

Kids have accidents. Everyday. Gonna have to learn to roll with the punches.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm sure this incident was terribly embarrassing for the little thing... but, kids this age tend to move on from things like this pretty quickly. Mom should have just chalked it up to a learning experience and be better prepared next time.



Kids have accidents. Everyday. Gonna have to learn to roll with the punches.

But it wasn't an "accident"...the child was forced to soil herself.


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[K_Z]

But it wasn't an "accident"...the child was forced to soil herself.


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BBM.

I guess I don't see it quite that way, or agree that she was "forced" to soil herself. That's a bit of hyperbole, IMO. The child is 3, and they can't hold it very long. Nor can flight crews break the rules "at will" during takeoff preparations. There was no abuse or malice involved here, IMO-- just the flight crew needing to enforce the safety rules once the plane had left the gate in prep for takeoff. And mother didn't like that a bit. She EXPECTED them to let her do whatever she wanted-- that's the real problem here.

Really, I think this whole issue is the problem of the mother, her unrealistic expectations, and her "entitled" personality, more than any issue of the child or flight crew.

I agree with others that the child would have forgotten about the incident within hours to a day or so. This was clearly a parenting issue, not an issue of the child or flight crew, or the airline, or lack of "sensitivity training", IMO.

Mother should have explained to her that everyone, kids and grown ups, have to follow strict rules on airplanes, and in airports. She should have explained that no one can get up to use the bathroom once the plane backs out of the gate. And strongly encouraged her to wear a pull up, and let her know ahead of time it was okay if she had an accident. IMO.

The mother was not prepared (psychologically, or practically) to be flying alone with 2 very small children, IMO. She expected rules to be overlooked for her and her children, at a moment's notice. She expected to be able to get out of her seat and clean up her child instantaneously, once the child had wet her pants. Her personal reaction to a simple situation of her child wetting her pants was WAY out of proportion to what happened, and far more damaging than the child wetting her pants.

Three year olds have accidents, yes-- EVEN her kids. On an airline travel day with 2 small kids, she should have been prepared for that ahead of time, and considering it as a possibility for BOTH kids.

Sorry to be so blunt, but I think this lady is a big snooty whiner with an "entitlement" personality. She further delayed, and inconvenienced hundreds of people with her behavior, and nearly got herself arrested and separated from her kids. Was she thinking about THAT?

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

When my newly trained just turned three year old went on a long car trip in my MIL's car with cloth upholstery, you can bet she wore training pants just in case.....no accidents, but we went prepared!

However, This is transportation with a Potty on board. And even then 3 yr old have to go when they have to go. I am pretty sure at that point on the plane I would have ignored the FA and taken my daughter anyway. I would have probably called the Jetblue main office from the plane too.

I think that at one time FA's were there to serve, Now they act like they are doing you a favor and treat people not so nice.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

BBM.

I guess I don't see it quite that way, or agree that she was "forced" to soil herself. That's a bit of hyperbole, IMO. The child is 3, and they can't hold it very long. Nor can flight crews break the rules "at will" during takeoff preparations. There was no abuse or malice involved here, IMO-- just the flight crew needing to enforce the safety rules once the plane had left the gate in prep for takeoff. And mother didn't like that a bit. She EXPECTED them to let her do whatever she wanted-- that's the real problem here.

Really, I think this whole issue is the problem of the mother, her unrealistic expectations, and her "entitled" personality, more than any issue of the child or flight crew.

I agree with others that the child would have forgotten about the incident within hours to a day or so. This was clearly a parenting issue, not an issue of the child or flight crew, or the airline, or lack of "sensitivity training", IMO.

Mother should have explained to her that everyone, kids and grown ups, have to follow strict rules on airplanes, and in airports. She should have explained that no one can get up to use the bathroom once the plane backs out of the gate. And strongly encouraged her to wear a pull up, and let her know ahead of time it was okay if she had an accident. IMO.

The mother was not prepared (psychologically, or practically) to be flying alone with 2 very small children, IMO. She expected rules to be overlooked for her and her children, at a moment's notice. She expected to be able to get out of her seat and clean up her child instantaneously, once the child had wet her pants. Her personal reaction to a simple situation of her child wetting her pants was WAY out of proportion to what happened, and far more damaging than the child wetting her pants.

Three year olds have accidents, yes-- EVEN her kids. On an airline travel day with 2 small kids, she should have been prepared for that ahead of time, and considering it as a possibility for BOTH kids.

Sorry to be so blunt, but I think this lady is a big snooty whiner with an "entitlement" personality. She further delayed, and inconvenienced hundreds of people with her behavior, and nearly got herself arrested and separated from her kids. Was she thinking about THAT?

bbm, She expected them to break the rules by letting a child go potty when they were sitting there doing nothing? How long were they on the runway?? How is the mother supposed to forsee a 3 hr delay? Come on.

No one should be blaming the mother or the child. The FA was wrong and mean. Period.

 

[Linda7NJ]

How quickly the child "gets over it" is irrelevant IMO.




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[killarney rose]

BBM.

I guess I don't see it quite that way, or agree that she was "forced" to soil herself. That's a bit of hyperbole, IMO. The child is 3, and they can't hold it very long. Nor can flight crews break the rules "at will" during takeoff preparations. There was no abuse or malice involved here, IMO-- just the flight crew needing to enforce the safety rules once the plane had left the gate in prep for takeoff. And mother didn't like that a bit. She EXPECTED them to let her do whatever she wanted-- that's the real problem here.

Really, I think this whole issue is the problem of the mother, her unrealistic expectations, and her "entitled" personality, more than any issue of the child or flight crew.

I agree with others that the child would have forgotten about the incident within hours to a day or so. This was clearly a parenting issue, not an issue of the child or flight crew, or the airline, or lack of "sensitivity training", IMO.

Mother should have explained to her that everyone, kids and grown ups, have to follow strict rules on airplanes, and in airports. She should have explained that no one can get up to use the bathroom once the plane backs out of the gate. And strongly encouraged her to wear a pull up, and let her know ahead of time it was okay if she had an accident. IMO.

The mother was not prepared (psychologically, or practically) to be flying alone with 2 very small children, IMO. She expected rules to be overlooked for her and her children, at a moment's notice. She expected to be able to get out of her seat and clean up her child instantaneously, once the child had wet her pants. Her personal reaction to a simple situation of her child wetting her pants was WAY out of proportion to what happened, and far more damaging than the child wetting her pants.

Three year olds have accidents, yes-- EVEN her kids. On an airline travel day with 2 small kids, she should have been prepared for that ahead of time, and considering it as a possibility for BOTH kids.

Sorry to be so blunt, but I think this lady is a big snooty whiner with an "entitlement" personality. She further delayed, and inconvenienced hundreds of people with her behavior, and nearly got herself arrested and separated from her kids. Was she thinking about THAT?

Beautifully put!:loveyou:

 

[Linda7NJ]

Welcome to post 9/11 air travel. Yes, I'm sure the flight attendant gleefully *forced* the little girl to pee in her seat, knowing that the crew was going to be ones to have to do all the paperwork, possibly clean up the pee-filled seat, explain to JetBlue admin and ATC why the plane disrupted the schedule of hundreds of passengers and the queue of departing planes, not to mention the plane waiting to get to the gate it just left, etc. However, the post 9/11 security rules are not the only reason that people have to be sitting down when a plane is taxiing, or might imminently be taxiing--it is that a vehicle weighing 100+ tons cannot maneuver on the ground (no matter how good the pilot is) without some potential unpredictable movement, which endangers not only the passenger who is standing up & could be knocked off his or her feet but also anyone else who could be on the receiving end of 100+ lbs. of falling weight.

You might think the laws of physics are mean and unfair, but you can't really argue with them.

I've flown quite a bit, Never once did I experience "unpredictable movement" while sitting on a runway or taxiing. Not one time.
As a matter of fact, I specifically recall the flight crew moving about while the plane was just sitting there, not moving at all.


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[ScarlettScarpetta]

How quickly the child "gets over it" is irrelevant IMO.




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First I hate that children are treated like second class citizens.. Like its only a child no big deal.
What if that was an adult. Someone who really had to go. What would they do then? Would you be more upset if they made an adult wait for 3 hrs on a runway and she was humiliated?? Because it is the same thing. Just because she is 3 does not mean she should be treated any less that a grown adult. She is still a person.