Child forced to urinate in seat of plane

[Donjeta]

Fortunately, an off-duty pilot who was sitting two seats in front of her came to her defense and convinced the crew to let her stay.
“I am so thankful for him and other passengers sticking up for my family’s defense,” Devereaux said.

Is there a quote directly from these people that didn't come via mom?

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

I think some people are missing the fact that other passengers on the plane, including an off-duty pilot two seats in front of her were on mom's side. To me, if you have someone who's witnessed the whole thing, particularly someone who's knowledgeable about FAA restrictions and whatnot, and they're going to bat for the mom and child - that says a lot to me about the actions of the flight attendant.

Source: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/06/...-access-3-year-old-forced-to-urinate-in-seat/

I don't put much into how much support a person has since perception is so individual. The passengers supporting her may have been doing so because they just wanted the plane to get moving. We haven't heard from everyone on the plane and you know what they say -- there's three sides to every story: hers, airline, & somewhere in the middle lies the truth.

There were other people on that flight whose trip was just as important as mom. If mom was told she needed to sit down and didn't then that's a problem. There are rules & laws one must abide when traveling by air. It wasn't personal.

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

I can't stop thinking that this mother came across combative by not following instructions. You won't illicit sympathy from employees if you're directly placing their livelihoods in jeopardy. Not to mention, the possibility of personal fines. That's some serious business right there.

Why couldn't mom have sat down and asked one of the attendants how long before she might be able to get things cleaned up? I get the feeling there was a lot of frustration going on all around. That doesn't give mom the right to deliberately disobey the regulations put in place for the safety of all passengers on that flight.

I'll say it again: everyone has accidents. This shouldn't have turned into a media story.

 

[atthelake]

opcorn: opcorn:

 

[K_Z]

From the second link:

"Because of the incident, air marshals aboard the plane ordered all passengers to put their hands on their heads for the rest of the flight."

What????


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If you read the link, the passenger challenged the FA with a "one minute stare" when he came out of the lav, then flashed a "thumbs up" to another passenger. Small wonder they landed with all passengers with hands on their heads. It appeared to be a collaborative plot to "do" something, to the air marshall. I'm surprised this passenger wasn't restrained in handcuffs.

 

[JeannaT]

I can't stop thinking that this mother came across combative by not following instructions. You won't illicit sympathy from employees if you're directly placing their livelihoods in jeopardy. Not to mention, the possibility of personal fines. That's some serious business right there.

Why couldn't mom have sat down and asked one of the attendants how long before she might be able to get things cleaned up? I get the feeling there was a lot of frustration going on all around. That doesn't give mom the right to deliberately disobey the regulations put in place for the safety of all passengers on that flight.

I'll say it again: everyone has accidents. This shouldn't have turned into a media story.

Yes, and this child has a VERY unusual name. Google her in 10 years and you'll see she had a peepee accident on a plane. Geez.

Also, I read the pilot's defense of her - in that article it seemed he was merely saying the plane didn't have to go back to the gate (a sentiment I'm sure ALL the passengers were glad to agree with, they were already delayed) not that the mother was right in insisting she be able to move around freely during takeoff.

I'm always amazed when I see grown adults openly defy the orders of a flight attendant. I think everyone watches with their mouths open in disbelief.

 

[K_Z]

And for the record, I don't think the mom should have been arrested. I DO think she should have been removed from the flight, with her kids, and offered travel on another flight. And "counseled" about her behavior. That would give her time to think about how she chose to handle the situation, and a chance to handle things differently next flight. A "time out", one might say.

I still think she is really, really lucky she wasn't arrested.

:banghead: counseled for her behavior ??? ..... really?

Yes, counseled. Like when a highway patrol or policeman pullover a motorist and write, or give them a verbal warning as to what their motorist infraction was, and how severe the penalty could be.

This passenger/ mother should have received very direct "counseling", off the aircraft, in a secure part of the airport, by police. They would have explained to her what it means to "interfere with a flight crew", and what the potential penalty will be. I think that might have been a sobering experience for the woman, and hopefully permanently improved her behavior as a passenger. And kept her from recruiting a media interview to "gloat" about the situation, IMO. (And exploit her 3 yo in the interview again, by encouraging her to further discuss her potty accident.)

As it is, she now probably feels vindicated and "bullet proof". Should she try this behavior again inflight, it might not go so well for her next time.

And yes, the off duty pilot had no more influence over the situation than the other passengers. And let's be clear that it was the pilot's decision to turn the plane around. Not the FA's. The FA's report, the pilot decides what to do.

Security and safety is not achieved by a show of hands of the passengers. Imagine that-- "who thinks we should have the seatbelt light on? Raise your hands." "How many think we should all sit down now? Raise your hands? Or text your reply to abcdef using the inflight wifi." Lol!

 

[AnaTeresa]

This flight attendant also thinks the FA's actions were wrong.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sara-...ed_b_5500241.html?utm_hp_ref=travel&ir=Travel

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

RBBM -- I want to believe there isn't a mother alive who hasn't had to comfort their child after a potty accident. My own had their fair share. The difference is: I reassured them that everyone has accidents (showing them they make adult diapers) and gave them lots of hugs and kisses to make it better. Some things really are out of our control.

We are our children's first teachers. One of the greatest gifts a mother can give her child is how to handle life's problems with grace. Instead, she threw a fit on a plane.... sorry, just not my opinion of how mama should have handled this.

Can we consider how baby girl felt as she watched her mother go ballistic over this issue? Feeling it was her fault because she had an accident? :banghead:

Who said her mother went ballistic. I don't get that at all. And The child at this point was potty trained. That is hard for kids that are already potty trained. It is one thing when they are starting it to have accidents. Completely different thing for them to be forced to urinate on themselves.

She did nothing wrong.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Who said her mother went ballistic. I don't get that at all. And The child at this point was potty trained. That is hard for kids that are already potty trained. It is one thing when they are starting it to have accidents. Completely different thing for them to be forced to urinate on themselves.



She did nothing wrong.

I honestly don't understand the whole " it's just a kid, who cares" attitude.

IMO there is also a huge difference from child to child and from just turned three to almost four years old.

I have a neighbor whose child was 100% potty trained at 15 months. The child could read, I'm not talking memorizing, I'm talking about actually reading 3-4 letter words by sounding them out, at age three! That child would have been severely traumatized if forced to urinate herself.

My own wasn't potty trained and 100% reliable until three and a half. As he was approaching four, I'll tell you ...he would rather have his fingers lopped off than have an accident.


They're all different and the level of understanding and maturity varies greatly.



All IMO


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[Disguiseduser0308]

Who said her mother went ballistic. I don't get that at all. And The child at this point was potty trained. That is hard for kids that are already potty trained. It is one thing when they are starting it to have accidents. Completely different thing for them to be forced to urinate on themselves.

She did nothing wrong.

I'm a mother, so I know all too well how hard it is on children when they have accidents. I never felt the need to parade their accident/incident on national television though. Sorry, that seems a bit ballistic to me. JMO though.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I'm a mother, so I know all too well how hard it is on children when they have accidents. I never felt the need to parade their accident/incident on national television though. Sorry, that seems a bit ballistic to me. JMO though.

That is not what this mother did. And the fault again lies with and acknowledged by the airline. So that is where the blame lies.

I certainly would not purposely make a child pee their pants.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm a mother, so I know all too well how hard it is on children when they have accidents. I never felt the need to parade their accident/incident on national television though. Sorry, that seems a bit ballistic to me. JMO though.

She didn't parade her urine soaked child in the media.
She called out an insensitive flight attendant so others wouldn't be put through the same thing.





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[Disguiseduser0308]

That is not what this mother did. And the fault again lies with and acknowledged by the airline. So that is where the blame lies.

I certainly would not purposely make a child pee their pants.

But, they didn't purposely make her pee her pants. Semantics -- it wasn't time for her to go potty and she couldn't hold it. This happens to children all over the world, every minute, of every day. What if someone was in the bathroom when she was allowed to go? Would it have been that persons fault? IMO the airline apologized to ease up on the negative press.

Whatever happened (we only know mom's story) she still saw fit to bring this to the media. Children's potty accidents aren't supposed to be immortalized for all time. That's totally on mom. She made an almost federal case over a urine accident. She needed to get a grip and think about her child's future dealings with this issue. Her lack of foresight with involving the media can only lead me to believe she probably wasn't all too aware of how she was adding to this situation when it was occurring.

We shouldn't even know this happened. She should have complained to corporate and be done. I just can't bring myself to feel sorry for her.

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

She didn't parade her urine soaked child in the media.
She called out an insensitive flight attendant so others wouldn't be put through the same thing.





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We seem to have an issue with semantics around here. She paraded her clean child in the media. A clean child who wouldn't be in the media if she hadn't had an accident in the first place. There would be no story without the 'peeing in her seat'

 

[Linda7NJ]

We seem to have an issue with semantics around here. She paraded her clean child in the media.

So what?

Perhaps now every flight attendant will be better educated through the sensitivity training that JetBlue is going to provide and now be more compassionate and exercise common sense and basic human decency.




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[Disguiseduser0308]

So what?


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So what is that someday this child will go to school and be known as the pee-pee girl that was on the news. I can't be the only one who sees this.

 

[Linda7NJ]

So what is that someday this child will go to school and be known as the pee-pee girl that was on the news. I can't be the only one who sees this.

Really? I highly doubt it.

Americans have incredibly short attention spans. IMO


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[Disguiseduser0308]

So what?

Perhaps now every flight attendant will be better educated through the sensitivity training that JetBlue is going to provide and now be more compassionate and exercise common sense and basic human decency.




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RBBM -- That could have been achieved without involving the media and without having this little girl named directly. No matter how hard I try, I can't agree with the avenue the mother decided to take.

 

[Disguiseduser0308]

Really? I highly doubt it.

Americans have incredibly short attention spans. IMO


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The cruelty of children knows no bounds. This will not be soon forgotten. I'm willing to bet this family is the talk of their town.