Child forced to urinate in seat of plane

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  • #201
That's when you have them wear pullups in a situation like that when you know you can't get to a bathroom. No different than wearing extra protection during your period when you're stuck in a business meeting. Noone else's fault if you have an accident.

BBM

First bold, there should be every expectation to be able to use Jet Blue's toilet. So...did all the adults have freakin' pull-ups on? I don't think so and to go further, I bet if it was an adult who needed to pee, crap and/or throw up...ya know what ? they would have done it. And not in their seat.

Second bold, well, :floorlaugh:

Again I say, this was no accident IMO.

I don't through around the word bully often. I think it is way over used but I believe in this case this FA bullied this child and mother and she could have handled it with grace and dignity. She used her power to abuse them.

Yeah, unfortunately, this FA will probably end up being the bathroom monitor in some elementary school.
 
  • #202
If this was about me and I was 3 when it occurred I would not be embarrassed at all. I would see my mom fighting for me. Standing up for me.

We'll never know, but let us not forget how embarrassing parents are to the typical teenager. Now add to that your appearance on a television show because you weren't allowed to use the bathroom and peed your pants. If Youtube is still up and running, well heck, now everyone can see you as a small child and your mom discussing this incident. Parents with the best of intentions embarrass their children for a lot less.

At the latest, this young lady is going to become a teen and be horridly embarrassed by the entire issue. And.. it's out there, no way to stop it now.
 
  • #203
If this was about me and I was 3 when it occurred I would not be embarrassed at all. I would see my mom fighting for me. Standing up for me.

We'll never know, but let us not forget how embarrassing parents are to the typical teenager. Now add to that your appearance on a television show because you weren't allowed to use the bathroom and peed your pants. If Youtube is still up and running, well heck, now everyone can see you as a small child and your mom discussing this incident. Parents with the best of intentions embarrass their children for a lot less.

At the latest, this young lady is going to become a teen and be horridly embarrassed by the entire issue. And.. it's out there, no way to stop it now.

There is no teen ager embarrassed here. It is a mom sticking up for the human rights for her child.
 
  • #204
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  • #205
Maybe she'll put a pull-up on her next time..

Putting a pull-up on a 3 year old child, while on a plane, when there are times you cannot leave your seat, and a 3 year old that would be hard pressed to understand that, or even to "hold it", seems like total common sense to me. I'm really surprised this mom didn't do it, frankly. I would have. For years, whenever we traveled long distances by car, I kept a potty chair in the back of the mini van for just such emergencies, and my kids were past 3! You just never know how much their little bladders can hold, or how long they can hold it!
 
  • #206
Neither did we have an option when my daughter had to pee and her adult male cousin was using the bathroom. We were in a strange town, didn't know any neighbors, and probably wouldn't have made it to a restaurant or gas station in time anyway. And I wouldn't have asked the cousin to vacate the bathroom when my daughter had been given a chance prior anyhow. And I don't know that he wouldn't have ignored my request had I asked. She was instantly potty-trained after the embarassment of wetting herself.

Why didn't you just take her out in the yard? You do have that option available to you when you are in someone's house. Or find a container for her to use.
 
  • #207
Why didn't you just take her out in the yard? You do have that option available to you when you are in someone's house. Or find a container for her to use.

The solution was simple. The cousin is taking a shower. You knock and ask if she can come in and use the bathroom and he stays behind the shower curtain. Problem solved.
 
  • #208
There is no teen ager embarrassed here. It is a mom sticking up for the human rights for her child.

Quoting myself because this girl will not stay three forever --

At the latest, this young lady is going to become a teen and be horridly embarrassed by the entire issue. And.. it's out there, no way to stop it now.

She's not a teen now, but someday soon she will be.

And now to quote Forrest Gump:

That's all I got to say about dat.
 
  • #209
BBM

First bold, there should be every expectation to be able to use Jet Blue's toilet. So...did all the adults have freakin' pull-ups on? I don't think so and to go further, I bet if it was an adult who needed to pee, crap and/or throw up...ya know what ? they would have done it. And not in their seat.

Second bold, well, :floorlaugh:

Again I say, this was no accident IMO.



Yeah, unfortunately, this FA will probably end up being the bathroom monitor in some elementary school.
:cheers::yourock:
 
  • #210
I would say it's comparable -- the restaurant wouldn't allow us to use their bathroom so in comparison, it's their fault he had an accident? No, they know nothing about my child or what his health issues were. Just the same that the FA knew nothing about this child or her ability to hold or not hold. I believe she was following the rules/laws at the time. There's a saying I heard once: never expect anyone to care about your children the same or more than you do. It holds true in almost every instance.



I think it's great sensitivity training will be offered, but having had a child who had a lot of accidents I see what a lot of the mother did as over the top. Sure, stick up for your kid however, I'll never agree with bringing this to the media. Believe me, I had to take my kid out of a lot of places because of his accidents and people being not so nice about it. My only concern was to get him through it.



Typically, just out of common courtesy, I buy something small that we can eat later if walking in ...off the street just to use the bathroom. IMO it's bad manners not to.


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  • #211
Bingo! Post of the day!!! If the child refuses to go when they are given the opportunity, then 5 min. later when the bathroom is occupied or they are out in the middle of nowhere, or must stay in their seats (as in this case), it's the child's fault for not even trying when they had the chance to empty their bladder. If they have an accident, even if they are potty-trained, they will not be scarred for life, unless of course their mother makes it national news- which it shouldn't be! Noone outside of my family would ever have known about my child's accident, had I not chosen to post it now 10+ years after the fact.:clap::clap::clap::goodpost:


I am so impressed some of you folks can urinate on command, bravo!

I can't. Sometimes I go, and twenty short minutes later I have to go again. Sometimes I try to go and can't.
I don't schedule my bodily functions like that, and I can't make myself go on command.
Thank goodness I don't have to!




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  • #212
Not a single solitary person opposed to respecting this child and allowing the small human dignity to relieve herself in private and on a toilet....has answered the very direct and straight question.....
WHAT if it was YOU?

What if you felt the pangs of screaming diarrhea and the need for the toilet was immediate.

THEN WHAT????

You going to sit there and soil yourself with a smile on your face?

I somehow highly doubt it.


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  • #213
We'll never know, but let us not forget how embarrassing parents are to the typical teenager. Now add to that your appearance on a television show because you weren't allowed to use the bathroom and peed your pants. If Youtube is still up and running, well heck, now everyone can see you as a small child and your mom discussing this incident. Parents with the best of intentions embarrass their children for a lot less.



At the latest, this young lady is going to become a teen and be horridly embarrassed by the entire issue. And.. it's out there, no way to stop it now.


I raised my child to be respectful ...by BEING respectful to & of my child, there is no reason for him as a teenager to be embarrassed by me.


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  • #214
I will not be putting on any pull up!

They were on the tarmac ...sitting there. Not doing a darn thing, not even taxiing.
I see no safety issue. The other pilot flying as a passenger on the plane saw nothing wrong with it.


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The way it reads, they had departed the gate. There are some pretty strict FAA rules about remaining in seats during takeoff preparations after engines are powered up. Both the child and the mother would have wanted to leave their seats but they have to follow the safety rules like everybody else.

The other pilot likely didn't want to return to the gate because of the excessive time it would take to go back to the gate and for her and her children to deplane. It is very possible he will be disciplined for his interference with the pilot's decision.

JMO
 
  • #215
Snipped by me.

The reason the plane returned to the gate was not the mom and child using the lav against the instructions of the FA's. It was because the mom argued with FA's, and would not sit down and buckle up when asked. That places her into the "unruly, disobedient" category. That is why the pilot made the choice to return to the gate. And believe me, the pilot DID NOT want to return to the gate, at that point. His day was seriously messed up, at that point.

My personal opinion/ impression is that the mom passenger defied/ argued this instruction more than once, creating the need for the FA's to elevate the decision making to the pilot.

The pilot, and the pilot alone, makes the decision to "divert" for passenger behavior- whether in the air, or on the ground. Don't blame the FA's. (They don't make enough $$ to bear the burden of that kind of criticism, IMO.)

And again, this has nothing, IMO, to do with the child. It is all about the mother's reaction to what was going on. She did not want to follow the instructions of flight crew, and apparently felt offended/ angry over the FAA imminent takeoff/ no bathroom rules-- for whatever her personal reasons were. That is potentially a crime. I don't blame the FA's for elevating decision making in this situation.

Mom had an "accident". Mom "made a mistake". This really isn't at all about the child. The reason the pilot chose to return to the gate has little to nothing to do with the child wetting her pants, and everything to do with mom's reaction to the situation, the rules, and openly not following the FA's instructions. I think it's sad the media missed that important fact. There was a teaching moment there, IMO.

You are correct. The mother's non-compliance was the reason the pilot wanted them off. If that plane had started to move and the child was hurt, she'd be filing a lawsuit, imo.

Federal Aviation Administration regulations forbid airlines from letting passengers get up from their seats while planes are on the taxiway. The rule is a safety regulation aimed at preventing injuries in the event of a sudden movement by the aircraft.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/today...rinated-in-seat-during-ground-delay/10572277/
 
  • #216
Why didn't you just take her out in the yard? You do have that option available to you when you are in someone's house. Or find a container for her to use.
Umm, they lived in an apartment complex.
 
  • #217
I am so impressed some of you folks can urinate on command, bravo!

I can't. Sometimes I go, and twenty short minutes later I have to go again. Sometimes I try to go and can't.
I don't schedule my bodily functions like that, and I can't make myself go on command.
Thank goodness I don't have to!




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We're talking a 21/2-3 year old that wouldn't even try. Oftentimes when she'd try she found out that even though she thought she didn't have to go, she actually could.
 
  • #218
Not a single solitary person opposed to respecting this child and allowing the small human dignity to relieve herself in private and on a toilet....has answered the very direct and straight question.....
WHAT if it was YOU?

What if you felt the pangs of screaming diarrhea and the need for the toilet was immediate.

THEN WHAT????

You going to sit there and soil yourself with a smile on your face?

I somehow highly doubt it.


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The difference is I'm not 3, and I'd try to hold it if it was possible. Also it was a peeing accident, not poop. And I do understand the pain and pressure of a very full bladder from having to do just that with ultrasounds when I was pregnant.
 
  • #219
Not a single solitary person opposed to respecting this child and allowing the small human dignity to relieve herself in private and on a toilet....has answered the very direct and straight question.....
WHAT if it was YOU?

What if you felt the pangs of screaming diarrhea and the need for the toilet was immediate.

THEN WHAT????

You going to sit there and soil yourself with a smile on your face?

I somehow highly doubt it.


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I would do my best to hold it. I would try to discreetly get the FA's attention and explain the problem. If I wasn't allowed to leave my seat , Id do my best to hold it and if I couldn't, I would deal with the results when I was allowed to leave my seat. The FA could deal with the seat.but at no time would I throw a hissyfit and draw attention to my plight.
 
  • #220
We're talking a 21/2-3 year old that wouldn't even try. Oftentimes when she'd try she found out that even though she thought she didn't have to go, she actually could.


Sorry for the confusion LisasK ...I was talking about the child in this case.


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