Christmas Jerry Falwell Style

[Dark Knight]

Which Anti-defamation league are you representing in this article that does not have the link?

"The national director of the Anti-Defamation League is calling on Jewish organizations to join him in coordinating a communal strategy for confronting the political and cultural initiatives of religious conservative groups."
http://www.forward.com/articles/6856

It came off of the AP newswire, not the internet, so there is no link to provide. I have no idea which Defamation Leage they referred to, that was all they said about it.

 

[sweetmop]

I respectfully implore my Christian friends to take Christmas back from the Jerry Falwell's who seek to divide the country into "us" and "them"?

This is your holy day. May it bring light and love and peace on earth. Not division.

Blessings to you, dakini... I like the way you think.:clap:

 

[reb]

does this mean we can stop boycotting teletubbies now.......?

 

[Details]

That being said, I am also against those trying to take the Christ out of Christmas, when we were doing just fine with Him in it for all these years. After all, Who's birthday is it celebrating, anyways? :blowkiss:

ETA: It could be argued that those who are trying to secularize Christmas even more are the ones trying to divide us after all this time, not the "conservative Christians" who are simply defending their Holy Day from those trying to enact secular changes. If they truly wanted peace and harmony, they should have left well enough alone, perhaps.

The people who say this is happening are liars, like Jerry Falwell. Is the truth not important to you? What he says is happening is a LIE! I thought that was a problem? Propagating a lie, should also be a problem.

 

[reb]

i got news for you folks, christmas was ORIGINALLY a winter/pagan/secular holiday... before christians later decided to christianize it. i like the idea of it being a holiday for EVERYONE-- religious and non-religious!

from liberty.com:

when Christianity became the official religion of Rome, Constantine made it more palatable to the peasants by superimposing Christian saints onto the existing pagan deities and adapting Christian beliefs to pagan customs. Most notably, the winter solstice celebration of the rebirth of the Sun became Christ's Mass, or the birth of the Son. This method of gradual assumption of new names for old beliefs is much less traumatic and indeed might hardly have been noticed by the average peasant. Constantine could rename the winter celebration and create new symbols to associate it with the virgin birth of Christ, but in most cases the citizenry simply continued their former frolics "under new management."

that being said, i DO think x-mas has been utterly ruined by this uncontrolled capitalistic society of ours. i can't even go into a store- and would rather put a fork in my eye than step foot into a mall (UGH!) from the middle of november thru jan 1--- all that hokey, tired old x-mas music being forced down your throat, that forced sentimentality.... it's all about money now, and how much people can make off the mass gift-buying frenzy... i used to love the holiday as a kid, but it's been so commercialized, corporatized, materialistic, and somehow it went from a season of merriment to a season of high stress..... when did that happen.......???

 

[reb]

<"The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country">

uhh.. yeah, and which "devil" are you talking about there, jerry...? you mean that guy who runs around in that red goat suit with the horns and pitchfork, that makes all bad things happen?? oh, OK! LOL.

what century is this again......???

and NO, this isn't "your" country, and if you'll notice there's a little thing we have here called the "constitution" that prevents nutcases like you from gaining control.

have a nice day, jerry-- now, go take your meds.

 

[dakini]

<"The idea that religion and politics don't mix was invented by the Devil to keep Christians from running their own country">

uhh.. yeah, and which "devil" are you talking about there, jerry...? you mean that guy who runs around in that red goat suit with the horns and pitchfork, that makes all bad things happen?? oh, OK! LOL.

what century is this again......???

and NO, this isn't "your" country, and if you'll notice there's a little thing we have here called the "constitution" that prevents nutcases like you from gaining control.

have a nice day, jerry-- now, go take your meds.

"Jerry Falwell or no Jerry Falwell, it's never too early for a good holiday yarn about dim-witted disputes within America's schools. The best example so far this season comes out of St. Lucie, Fla., concerning whether a fifth-grade teacher did anything wrong in letting her students know that maybe there's no ho-ho-ho guy circling the globe to deliver presents. According to an article in the Fort Pierce Tribune, teacher Jennifer Garofalo asked her class, as part of a book discussion, if they knew about any myths that had been disproved. One student cited Santa Claus as an example, and Garofalo confirmed the fat guy was unreal. Two weeks later, she received a phone call from a parent upset that her fifth-grader learned of the Santa-less world in her class. The parent, Peggy Cavriskie, was also irate later with an assistant principal who said her son should already have understood reality by his age. "I told [my son] Santa Claus is in your heart," Ms. Cavriskie explained to the newspaper. "I said the spirit of Christmas is with the person." No word yet on any trial date for this one, which we'd love to see in court. We imagine the possibility of Mel Gibson using the tale to film an updated "Miracle on 34th Street," casting the real-life Falwell as Kris Kringle "



http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05329/612186.stm

 

[Opie]

Fifth grade is about 10-11 years of age. That seems a big on the long side for such belief anyway. Talk about overreacting!

 

[Details]

Boy, I wonder what other mythical creatures and beliefs the teacher is supposed to pretend are fact... the tooth fairy? ghosts? elves?

Stupid parents! I hope the school is properly supporting the teacher, not just cutting her loose - the school administrators often wimp out and cave at the most ridiculous demands from stupid parents.

 

[Marthatex]

Like this fifth grader had never had any discussions with his friends on this subject prior to now? I doubt that this was his first disillusionment.

Sounds like a parent just waiting to make an issue over something Christmas-related, and get into the news. Sadly, that's what Falwell's lawsuit threat is going to encourage.

What a waste of taxpayers money this will be, if it goes to court. Teachers will be afraid to mention anything holiday related at all.

 

[dakini]

Like this fifth grader had never had any discussions with his friends on this subject prior to now? I doubt that this was his first disillusionment.

Sounds like a parent just waiting to make an issue over something Christmas-related, and get into the news. Sadly, that's what Falwell's lawsuit threat is going to encourage.

What a waste of taxpayers money this will be, if it goes to court. Teachers will be afraid to mention anything holiday related at all.

Cartoon from last years Christmas campaign:

This Modern World: How the Fox News team saved Christmas

http://www.workingforchange.com/comic.cfm?itemid=18270

 

[dakini]

ACLU Announces Lawsuit against Santa Claus
by David Bibb

CHICAGO - The American Civil Liberties Union announced today that it was bringing a lawsuit against Santa Claus for violations of the civil rights of children. An ACLU spokesman, Mr. E. Scrooge stated that, "Mr. Claus has been violating children's right to privacy and has been putting that information in a vast database. The information is then used by the law enforcement arm of Mr. Claus organization to determine which children are considered naughty or nice. It is obvious Mr. Clause has violated the children's rights, as we have alleged in our suit, because of the memos and other company information we have obtained. In addition, we believe Mr. Claus has been engaging in mind control experiments designed to prevent the free expression of beliefs."



Among the documents presented to the courts today was a memo in which reads, in part:

• • • 
      You better watch out.
      You better not cry.
      You better not pout.
      I'm telling you why.
      Santa Claus is coming to town.
      
      http://www.kraftmstr.com/christmas/humor/

 

[Nova]

That being said, I am also against those trying to take the Christ out of Christmas, when we were doing just fine with Him in it for all these years. After all, Who's birthday is it celebrating, anyways? :blowkiss:

ETA: It could be argued that those who are trying to secularize Christmas even more are the ones trying to divide us after all this time, not the "conservative Christians" who are simply defending their Holy Day from those trying to enact secular changes. If they truly wanted peace and harmony, they should have left well enough alone, perhaps.

Well, actually, the Winter Solstice was celebrated for thousands of years before Christ was born - a birth which didn't take place in December, as the Bible makes clear.

Personally, I don't think it's possible to take Christ out of the Christmas of those who cherish Him, but if anyone does, they are merely returning to the intent of the holiday's founders. Something conservatives should applaud.

 

[Maral]

O'Reilly: "War" on Christmas part of "secular progressive agenda" that includes "legalization of narcotics, euthanasia, abortion at will, gay marriage"


http://mediamatters.org/items/200511210003

From Dakini's link:
O'REILLY: "Back of the Book" segment tonight: We continue our reporting on which American stores are using "Christmas" in advertising this Christmas season and which are not. So far, here's the list. Again, our litmus test is which operations are using the greeting "Merry Christmas" in their advertising and which are not. OK, using -- you can see JCPenney's, Macy's, Bloomingdale's, Dillard's. Not using, there they are. Now, Kohl's, still giving us a hard time, but their advertising has been all "Happy Holidays" so I don't know what they want. The company says the clerks are free to say "Merry Christmas." Yeah, OK, that's nice. Again, this investigation is designed to spotlight retailers who have knocked the word "Christmas" out of the Christmas season. We're not too interested with the word "merry." Don't really care about "merry." On the toy store front, here's what we found out. Toys "R" Us simply is not going to answer our questions, so we assume that means they're not using "Merry Christmas." Not using for sure, KB Toys and FAO Schwarz. But FAO Schwarz says that their people in the store can shout "Merry Christmas" as loud as they want.

With us now, Fox News anchor John Gibson, the author of the book The War on Christmas: Why It's Worse Than You Thought. This is so incredibly stupid I can't believe it. All you need to do is use all the phrases: "Merry Christmas," "Happy Holidays," "Happy Hanukah." Plenty of advertising space, plenty of room for banners in your store. Why do you think they're this dumb in excluding "Merry Christmas"?

Now check out this link from Fox News. They are selling the O'Reilly Factor Hoiday ornament to put on the holiday tree. Christmas is not mentioned at all.

 

[dakini]

From Dakini's link:
O'REILLY: "Back of the Book" segment tonight: We continue our reporting on which American stores are using "Christmas" in advertising this Christmas season and which are not. So far, here's the list. Again, our litmus test is which operations are using the greeting "Merry Christmas" in their advertising and which are not. OK, using -- you can see JCPenney's, Macy's, Bloomingdale's, Dillard's. Not using, there they are. Now, Kohl's, still giving us a hard time, but their advertising has been all "Happy Holidays" so I don't know what they want. The company says the clerks are free to say "Merry Christmas." Yeah, OK, that's nice. Again, this investigation is designed to spotlight retailers who have knocked the word "Christmas" out of the Christmas season. We're not too interested with the word "merry." Don't really care about "merry." On the toy store front, here's what we found out. Toys "R" Us simply is not going to answer our questions, so we assume that means they're not using "Merry Christmas." Not using for sure, KB Toys and FAO Schwarz. But FAO Schwarz says that their people in the store can shout "Merry Christmas" as loud as they want.

With us now, Fox News anchor John Gibson, the author of the book The War on Christmas: Why It's Worse Than You Thought. This is so incredibly stupid I can't believe it. All you need to do is use all the phrases: "Merry Christmas," "Happy Holidays," "Happy Hanukah." Plenty of advertising space, plenty of room for banners in your store. Why do you think they're this dumb in excluding "Merry Christmas"?

Now check out this link from Fox News. They are selling the O'Reilly Factor Hoiday ornament to put on the holiday tree. Christmas is not mentioned at all.

Hi Maral-

Bill in his own words: a real Christmas spirit kinda guy lol

During the November 28 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly decried what he described as the abandonment of the phrase "Merry Christmas" and called for "a coalition of the willing to fight against this secular movement." He accused financiers George Soros and Peter Lewis of being "the money men behind the secular curtain," because they "have financed a number of websites which routinely attack those with whom they disagree in the most vile ways." O'Reilly then threatened to "expose those media which pass along the vicious personal attacks." He predicted that "[t]he defamation pipeline that has been cleverly devised will collapse," and then stated, "This is what the culture war is all about."

O'Reilly made a similar threat in the wake of Media Matters for America's exposure of his remarks regarding the city of San Francisco. In discussing a resolution San Francisco voters passed on November 8 to discourage military recruitment on campuses of public schools and colleges, O'Reilly said: "f Al Qaeda comes in here and blows you up, we're not going to do anything about it. We're going to say, look, every other place in America is off limits to you, except San Francisco. You want to blow up the Coit Tower? Go ahead."

Really Christmasy kinda guy lol

 

[Nova]

Is it my imagination, or does Bill O'Reilly sound more desperate every year?

Poor Stephen Colbert (the great O'Reilly parody now on Comedy Central)! He has to get more ridiculous every night just to make it clear his is the parody!

And while we're on the subject, why is saying "Happy Holidays" making war on Christmas, but not on Channukah, Ramadan and Kwaanza?

 

[dakini]

Is it my imagination, or does Bill O'Reilly sound more desperate every year?

Poor Stephen Colbert (the great O'Reilly parody now on Comedy Central)! He has to get more ridiculous every night just to make it clear his is the parody!

And while we're on the subject, why is saying "Happy Holidays" making war on Christmas, but not on Channukah, Ramadan and Kwaanza?

Here's another link:
So Bill O'Reilly, he of the infinite falafeled wisdom, is again beating the drum that Christmas is under attack. From who? Well, department stores. Yes, if there's one damn group in America that really, really hates Christmas, it's department stores, which make or break their yearly profits based on how profusely they can shovel cheap China-produced crap into America's Christmasy maw.



http://jillian.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/11/162524/67

 

[Nova]

Here's another link:
So Bill O'Reilly, he of the infinite falafeled wisdom, is again beating the drum that Christmas is under attack. From who? Well, department stores. Yes, if there's one damn group in America that really, really hates Christmas, it's department stores, which make or break their yearly profits based on how profusely they can shovel cheap China-produced crap into America's Christmasy maw.



http://jillian.dailykos.com/story/2005/11/11/162524/67

Bill O'Reilly was none too mentally stable in the first place. Being dead wrong so often of late must be driving him over the edge.

 

[dakini]

Bill O'Reilly was none too mentally stable in the first place. Being dead wrong so often of late must be driving him over the edge.

So not only is Bill O’Reilly saving Christmas, he’s making it cheaper for you to get to the mall. Is there anything this guy can’t do?

O’REILLY: I have guys inside the five major oil companies - my father used to work for one of those oil companies by the way - who have told me that in those meetings they look for every way to jack up oil prices after Katrina, every way, when they didn’t have to. They got scared because of my reporting and reporting of some others. They said, “Uh ho.”


CAVUTO: So wait a minute, you’re not, you’re taking credit for gas prices being down from where they are?

O’REILLY: I said my reporting and some reporting of others. They got scared.


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[tybee204]

Is it my imagination, or does Bill O'Reilly sound more desperate every year?

Poor Stephen Colbert (the great O'Reilly parody now on Comedy Central)! He has to get more ridiculous every night just to make it clear his is the parody!

And while we're on the subject, why is saying "Happy Holidays" making war on Christmas, but not on Channukah, Ramadan and Kwaanza?

Steve Colbert's brother and sister in law just bought a house down the road from me. LOL Im waiting for Steve to show up and visit. His last name is really pronounced Colbert with out the french twist.