Christmas Morning Picture of Burke and JB...

[rashomon]

Possibly the paintbrush was the original sexual assault weapon, which caused a panic response by JonBenet, eventually leading to its use as staging. This I have factored into a JDI theory.

I just can't imagine John sexually attacking his daughter with a paintbrush.

jmo

 

[UKGuy]

I just can't imagine John sexually attacking his daughter with a paintbrush.

jmo

rashomon,

I agree it seems distasteful, but someone did sexually assault JonBenet prior to killing her.

The paintbrush is linked to the wine-cellar by the wooden shards left outside the door, but this is not proof it originated from there.

It may have been used for whatever perverted reason to sexually abuse JonBenet, then to explain away the dna, the garrote is created and the missing piece left inside her, thereby masking its initial use?


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[Ames]

I just can't imagine John sexually attacking his daughter with a paintbrush.

jmo

Me either...I have trouble believing that he molested her at ALL...much less with a paint brush.

 

[lovebites]

You aren't butting in. I haven't seen anything that indicates someone used the paintbrush on JonBenet vaginally. I've re-read the depos, interviews, autopsy, books, etc. and I only see speculation about that happening. What isn't speculation is the splinter found on JonBenet's eroded hymeneal orifice. It *could* have come from the paintbrush being inserted, but it also could have come from a finger or other means.

If I interpret their statements correctly, some believe the paintbrush was used vaginally as a staging element so as to either cover up chronic/acute sexual abuse (she WAS abused the night of the death and before that time as well) or else to stage things to look like a intruding pedophile killed her.

Thank you BOESP, I've been enjoying your posts.
Your answer makes sense - now that I know there was a splinter found in her vagina I understand why there's so much speculating about the missing piece of paintbrush possibly having been used to assault her (how awful).

 

[lovebites]

lovebites,

No but some of the mystery lies in the missing piece of the paintbrush handle, and that Coroner Meyer only referred to the splinter in the autopsy report as birefringement material, effectively hiding its origin.

It would seem curious to insert a finger inside JonBenet then redress her and wrap her in blankets, just what was going on?

Possibly the paintbrush was the original sexual assault weapon, which caused a panic response by JonBenet, eventually leading to its use as staging. This I have factored into a JDI theory.

I think "birefringement material" is where I got hung up UKGuy - I wasn't quite sure how to interpret that. I wonder if any of the yard area of the Boulder house was ever excavated to look for things like the missing parts of the pad the ransom note came from or the piece of the paint brush?

 

[DeeDee249]

I think "birefringement material" is where I got hung up UKGuy - I wasn't quite sure how to interpret that. I wonder if any of the yard area of the Boulder house was ever excavated to look for things like the missing parts of the pad the ransom note came from or the piece of the paint brush?

I doubt there was any excavating done, or we would have surely known about it. That house and neighborhood that was under very close scrutiny and is still a curiosity in Boulder. The missing paintbrush piece, the missing panties, the missing pad paper, the missing roll of tape. Where did it all go? Well, the Rs left the house that night unsearched, wearing heavy coats. Soon after, PRs sister was allowed to enter the house unescorted. Though she was driven to the house by police AND given a police jacket to wear so as not to arouse suspicion- the officers did NOT go with her through the house as they should have, instead waiting outside in the car. Aunt P was supposed to get clothing and other "personal use" items as well as funeral clothes for JBR. What she did carry out was several plastic trash bags filled with stuff- the police car was stuffed to the gills. All this for the "personal use" of a family that could easily have bought whatever they needed, especially if they "never wanted to go back into that place again". PR's sister could have the answers to where a LOT of the missing items are. I wonder- has she ever been questioned under oath about what she took that day?

 

[JMO8778]

I just can't imagine John sexually attacking his daughter with a paintbrush.

jmo

me either...if the paintbrush was used on her,I think it was for staging purposes only.

 

[JMO8778]

JMO, are you asking if this might compare to what used to be called a "crime of passion" based on physiological changes from taking too much medication or withdrawal from prescription drugs, alcohol, etc., producing a temporary personality change? Altered brain chemistry and other physiological changes from drugs or withdrawal of drugs would produce psychological (or psychiatric) changes that allowed them to behave inappropriately. Have I understood what you are asking?

sort of...but I think Patsy may have had BPD,or some tendencies twds it...
..and that could have made her crack.
I don't see her behavior as normal after the murder..her planned Lazarus line,behaving like Jackie O. at the funeral,JR not being able to calm her down and taking her to several different places all over the country in an attempt to do so...she really needed to be put in the hospital.
I don't think she was ok bf the murder either,but that was in another post.Only that she acutely cracked,and couldn't compensate for what was going on in her mind at the time.

 

[Ames]

Guys,
I have this posted on a thread, but for some reason, nobody seems to be replying to it...CK is the only one so far. SO, I am going to post it on a number of different threads, to make sure that it is read. Make your comments about it, on the thread that I started about it, though...if you don't mind. I found this very interesting....and I think that you will to.

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This little diddy was posted over at FFJ by the poster by the name of LITTLE. Little gave me permission to bring it over here, for you guys to read. ENJOY!!!

The Watcher
Saturday, August 25, 2007 The world according to theis old Lawdog http://chetbowen.pieksma.com
Silent Night - A Cry In The Night
By Chet Bowen | August 14, 2007 - 11:42 pm - Posted in Survival, The world, Uncategorized
Silent Night - A Cry In The Night

Some people have called this horrible travesty of justice The Perfect Crime. But in reality it’s a crime that investigators within Boulder City Police Dept. has conclusively made public who they know to be the killer of one JonBenet Ramsey. I haven’t been a fanatic on following the progress of this murder but have listened with keen interest to any updates that might shed some light as to what led up to the fate of JonBenet. The murder of JonBenet Ramsey shocked the nation to its core. It shook me to the core.

Lately I began researching enough data regarding the information available and from all accounts of what Det. Steve Thomas had started until his resignation out of disgust of the treachery and deceit within the district attorney’s office which was being run by Alex Hunter. It was through this murder that Det. Thomas had made the revelation and reality of how disheartning his profession had become and the corrupt nature of DA Alex Hunter who cared for nothing but his political agenda and plea bargaining with some of the most horrendous criminals one can almost imagine. Alex HUnter, after all the years he served as district attorney had not once sent anyone to prison with a single death sentence. His style was to plea bargain regardless of the crime. The JonBonet Ramsey case was a clear presentation of a monster who was just as bad the killer themself in that Hunter cared more about votes than punishing criminals for their deeds. Has anyone ever wondered why Hunter was so chumsy with the Ramsey family?

John Mark Karr was the only person arrested in connection to JonBenet’s murder and after being extradicted back from Bangkok the case against him quickly fell apart because his story didn’t match up with facts known about her murder. He stated that he had drugged and sexaully assaulted her when in fact the autopsy report dictated that she had not been sexually assault, though there was evidence of chronic sexual abuse. Also, his DNA did not match the DNA evidence recovered from JonBenet’s underwear at the murder scene. He also stated he had picked up JonBonet at school when in fact school was closed on Christmas Day.
In the interest of hoping justice would be served, Det. Thomas tolerated it, except for those closed door sessions when detectives protested in frustration and where detectives demanded that the right things be done. But the right things weren’t being down. Det. Thomas in his resignation letter stated that DA Alex Hunter made every effort possible to sway detectives to conduct their investigation based on the intruder theory, when in fact it wasn’t possible of an intruder to have come from the outside because of the weather conditions where fresh snow was on the ground and no footprints of any kind could be found outside. Where JonBonet’s body was found played a primary factor that there was no intruder.

I am myself certified as a document examiner and trained in detecting deceit within hand writing. This training became very useful in my conclusion of who the killer is. I was given the opportunity of analyzing a copy of the hand written statements of the Ramseys and it was concluded that the prime suspect in JonBonet’s murder was her own mother….Patsy Ramsey. I don’t think she murdered her with any fore thought or premeditation on her part but I do certainly believe this woman to be the one who killed her. There is strong suggestion that Mrs. Ramsey could have killed her out of momentary rage. JonBonet was known to wet the bed often and Mrs. Ramsey may have become very irritated after a long and trying day. It was noted in the autopsy that no laceration was present when her skull had been fractured. The only explanation of this kind of fracture would be typical of someone’s head being violently thrown against the smooth edge of a tub or toilet.

Could her 9 year old brother at the time could have killed her? It’s possible because it was known that JonBonet slept in the same room with Burke Ramsey often. He had motive because he was always put on the back burner for attention when JonBonet was given all the attention from Patsy and dear old dad was always gone on business.

Fleet Russell White was best friends with John Ramsey until after the murder. Mr. White was so convinced that the Ramsey’s were involved with her slaying that the last words he spoke to John Ramsey before they parted way was, “The next time I see you, I hope it’s in a court room.”

Innocent people were not “cleared”, publicly or otherwise, even when it was unmistakably the right thing to do, as reputations and lives were destroyed. Some in the district attorney’s office, to this day, pursue weak, defenseless, and innocent people in shameless tactics that one couldn’t believe more bizarre if it were made up. That very thing happens right here in Louisiana. I fear such tactics may have infected our judicial system throughout this great nation.

In conclusion without drawing this out into a long story, there is reliable information that can be gathered via the internet. Such resources include resignation letters from Det. Thomas and why he resigned, to the autopsy report on JonBenet. A word of caution. There are many web sites out there that differs from my own opinion and as such extreme caution should be excersized before concluding what you read is a fact. I only base my conclusion on 22 years of law enforcement and the training and available documents at the time I had in the opportunity to analyze documents submitted to me during initial training. All the document examiners that were present at the training facility where I was at in Baton Rouge came to the same conclusion as I, that one Patsy Ramsey was the killer, though she has since died from ovarian cancer.

Kind regards,
Capt. C. Bowen

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[JMO8778]

rashomon,

Blunt Trauma




Either that or she was going to tell someone outside of the house, or John became enraged when JonBenet refused to co-operate. It is impossible to pin down the precise reason, but the acute and chronic sexual molestation are the biggest smoking gun in the case, since they provide motive, opportunity and a rationale for the staging, also it is consistent with the forensic evidence, unlike Steve Thomas' Toilet Rage Theory, imo Patsy was a willing accomplice and her previous participation and knowledge of JonBenet's prior molestation, locks her into a cover up, along with John, otherwise any other mother would have pointed her finger at her daughters killer.


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YES ! and that's exactly why I think Patsy denied the amt of time spent on the pageants !

 

[JMO8778]

You know what, Toltec, that is an interesting observation. I have Thomas's book but forgot about the above. I can see there must be more than just the staging if they thought they had Murder One. It dawned on me when I read your post that maybe, just maybe, they have evidence that suggests the strangulation was purposeful (meaning mercy killing with the mitigating circumstances of sexual abuse, albeit staged to CYB) rather than pure staging on what the killer thought was an already dead child. That would also certainly explain Mark Fuhrman's statement that it was intentional. Mercy killing to them, Murder One to the justice system ... that does make sense.

I thought about that,but I take Mark's statement to mean he meant it directly,whereas some have said 'accident',he says '..and it was not an accident,in fact,it was quite intentional.' That is a direct quote,so I don't see it that way.The 'in fact,it was quite intentional' remark leads me to believe he was talking about the head bash..and he doesn't think it was an accident.I think he means she was intentionally hit on the head,with intent to kill..nothing less.

 

[JMO8778]

rashomon,

Yes one or both did, including , potenially, other members of JonBenet's extended family, hence the deafening silence!

Even if Patsy did not physically molest JonBenet she assisted in creating the cirumstances in which it could occur. Her sexualisation of JonBenet via the pageants is an example, her distancing John from any involvment via remarks about las vegas, or Nedra sleeping in JonBenet's bedroom. So she knew what may have been taking place, she was aware, be in no doubt, look at her response on being informed that the police had evidence of prior sexual molestation!

Then there are JonBenet's non-pageant photographs where she can be seen posing and pouting, wearing makeup and lipstick all at 5 or 6-years old.

So many people make excuses for Patsy's behaviour e.g. it was an accident, she was simply idealising JonBenet's beauty, she was mentally ill, she had been drinking the night of JonBenet's death etc etc.

Yet JonBenet was sexually molested, then asphyxiated and whacked on the head, and the autopsy yielded evidence of past and current sexual abuse, and after the evidence linking the residents to the crime-scene, still people wish to construct fanciful theories that do not match the forensic evidence.

JonBenet's death is what it appears to be: a case of incest gone wrong resulting in a homicide!

No accident requires her sexual assault to be covered up!


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UK,don't you think that could have come from a restaging though????
B/c I really do think they had an ill-fated,panic driven thought to get her out of the house and 'deny her remains for proper burial' as per the RN stated.If not,then can someone pls tell me why that line was in there?? b/c I don't think Patsy just arbitrarily put that in there.she had a specific reason in mind.I'm a no-nonsense kind of person,and that's the way I see it.
I know some think they would have never given that even a backwards glancing thought,but it could have been a panic driven reaction,not something they actually would have carried through.how many times have we all thought of doing something we would never actually go through with? and then once it was staged that way,they couldn't go through with it.personally I think they just ran out of time,or got too afraid to go through with it.again,that's my no nonsense type thinking.
So what I'm saying UK is what I've said bf..she was staged to be put outside as if a pedo abducted and sexually assaulted her...but when plans changed,she was wiped down,redressed and covered.I think it's that simple.

 

[DeeDee249]

The only reason I can possibly think of for the parents to have neglected to call for help if the head bash was done in a rage and not for the specific purpose of actually killing her was that if she had been hospitalized and a thourough physical exam done, the evidence of sexual abuse would be found. I believe one of the other coroners who reviewed the evidence (either Wecht or Spitz) said that if the vaginal trauma noted in the autopsy had been discovered in a hospital, the father would have been arrested. So there you have a good reason why the staging followed the head bash. That RN and garotte were the Rs "get out of jail free" card. It worked, because the Grand Jury came to exactly the conclusion the Rs wanted them to- that no parent could do that to their child. Finding the same evidence on a dead child rather than a live child is what allowed the Rs to get away with it. Because they could make it look like a kidnapper killed her.

 

[BBB167893]

The only reason I can possibly think of for the parents to have neglected to call for help if the head bash was done in a rage and not for the specific purpose of actually killing her was that if she had been hospitalized and a thourough physical exam done, the evidence of sexual abuse would be found. I believe one of the other coroners who reviewed the evidence (either Wecht or Spitz) said that if the vaginal trauma noted in the autopsy had been discovered in a hospital, the father would have been arrested. So there you have a good reason why the staging followed the head bash. That RN and garotte were the Rs "get out of jail free" card. It worked, because the Grand Jury came to exactly the conclusion the Rs wanted them to- that no parent could do that to their child. Finding the same evidence on a dead child rather than a live child is what allowed the Rs to get away with it. Because they could make it look like a kidnapper killed her.

I think DeeDee deserves an SD medal.

 

[DeeDee249]

I think DeeDee deserves an SD medal.

Thank'ya. Thank'ya very much...

 

[UKGuy]

The only reason I can possibly think of for the parents to have neglected to call for help if the head bash was done in a rage and not for the specific purpose of actually killing her was that if she had been hospitalized and a thourough physical exam done, the evidence of sexual abuse would be found. I believe one of the other coroners who reviewed the evidence (either Wecht or Spitz) said that if the vaginal trauma noted in the autopsy had been discovered in a hospital, the father would have been arrested. So there you have a good reason why the staging followed the head bash. That RN and garotte were the Rs "get out of jail free" card. It worked, because the Grand Jury came to exactly the conclusion the Rs wanted them to- that no parent could do that to their child. Finding the same evidence on a dead child rather than a live child is what allowed the Rs to get away with it. Because they could make it look like a kidnapper killed her.

DeeDee249,

What sexual abuse? Rashomon has suggested JonBenet's genital condition was within a normal range, and that not all girls have patent hymens etc.

Just after her accidental head injury JonBenet would not have endured any sexual assault, so there is no real reason not to call for medical assistance.

Any signs of prior sexual molestation can be blamed on non-family members who may have had intimate contact with JonBenet, or an unknown perpetrator?

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[UKGuy]

UK,don't you think that could have come from a restaging though????
B/c I really do think they had an ill-fated,panic driven thought to get her out of the house and 'deny her remains for proper burial' as per the RN stated.If not,then can someone pls tell me why that line was in there?? b/c I don't think Patsy just arbitrarily put that in there.she had a specific reason in mind.I'm a no-nonsense kind of person,and that's the way I see it.
I know some think they would have never given that even a backwards glancing thought,but it could have been a panic driven reaction,not something they actually would have carried through.how many times have we all thought of doing something we would never actually go through with? and then once it was staged that way,they couldn't go through with it.personally I think they just ran out of time,or got too afraid to go through with it.again,that's my no nonsense type thinking.
So what I'm saying UK is what I've said bf..she was staged to be put outside as if a pedo abducted and sexually assaulted her...but when plans changed,she was wiped down,redressed and covered.I think it's that simple.

JMO8778

B/c I really do think they had an ill-fated,panic driven thought to get her out of the house and 'deny her remains for proper burial' as per the RN stated.If not,then can someone pls tell me why that line was in there??

Criminal Profiler Roger Depue whilst analyzing the RN for Bert Brown, who was consulting for Boulders DA office suggested that a female wrote that line and that it tells you the writer knows JonBenet is already dead, otherwise why threaten to deny her remains?

So what I'm saying UK is what I've said bf..she was staged to be put outside as if a pedo abducted and sexually assaulted her...but when plans changed,she was wiped down,redressed and covered.I think it's that simple.

Sure it may be that simple, so why did the plans change, why would sexually assaulted outdoors or indoors appear so different to any observer, you have to say why the prior staging was revised?

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[JMO8778]

JMO8778

Criminal Profiler Roger Depue whilst analyzing the RN for Bert Brown, who was consulting for Boulders DA office suggested that a female wrote that line and that it tells you the writer knows JonBenet is already dead, otherwise why threaten to deny her remains?

but what to do with her remains?? and if they are being denied,then where are they? they're not going to be found...I think that was the whole point..
we already know from all the 'she dies' lines,that she was dead when it was written.as well as the 'watching over her' line,vs just watching her.

Sure it may be that simple, so why did the plans change, why would sexually assaulted outdoors or indoors appear so different to any observer, you have to say why the prior staging was revised?

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b/c I think they panicked,and thought they had to get her out of the house to get suspicion away from themselves.
why would it appear different?? b/c I think the first one was staged as a sexual assault,complete w. sexual bondage ligatures,to cover past abuse,and to appear a pedo took her.
I think they either ran out of time,(felt the HAD to call 911 then..it was just too risky,as SD said),or they got too afraid to go through with it, and may not have wanted to anyway..so the choice was made to keep her in the WC.
..but back to why it would appear different...NOW that she was to be kept/found in the house,JR didn't want to get the blame for the sexual assault...so she was wiped down,redressed (NEW underwear-no R dna-important,and I think the rest of her clothes came out of the dryer,clean,except shirt),and covered.JR may have forgotten to redo the ligatures,or he left them that way on purpose,to suggest something a parent would never do...only he got too afraid in the end,lied,and said they were tight.
if that doesn't make sense,then why not?

it's like Michael Jackson was told (not that he listened,but it's still the same...)...don't put yourself in a situation where you could get blamed for sexually abusing a child.JR didn't want to do that,either.And as Dee said,perhaps that's even the reason 'JonBenet had to go',just as Patsy stated in one of her interviews.

 

[UKGuy]

but what to do with her remains?? and if they are being denied,then where are they? they're not going to be found...I think that was the whole point..
we already know from all the 'she dies' lines,that she was dead when it was written.as well as the 'watching over her' line,vs just watching her.

b/c I think they panicked,and thought they had to get her out of the house to get suspicion away from themselves.
why would it appear different?? b/c I think the first one was staged as a sexual assault,complete w. sexual bondage ligatures,to cover past abuse,and to appear a pedo took her.
I think they either ran out of time,(felt the HAD to call 911 then..it was just too risky,as SD said),or they got too afraid to go through with it, and may not have wanted to anyway..so the choice was made to keep her in the WC.
..but back to why it would appear different...NOW that she was to be kept/found in the house,JR didn't want to get the blame for the sexual assault...so she was wiped down,redressed (NEW underwear-no R dna-important,and I think the rest of her clothes came out of the dryer,clean,except shirt),and covered.JR may have forgotten to redo the ligatures,or he left them that way on purpose,to suggest something a parent would never do...only he got too afraid in the end,lied,and said they were tight.
if that doesn't make sense,then why not?

it's like Michael Jackson was told (not that he listened,but it's still the same...)...don't put yourself in a situation where you could get blamed for sexually abusing a child.JR didn't want to do that,either.And as Dee said,perhaps that's even the reason 'JonBenet had to go',just as Patsy stated in one of her interviews.

JMO8778,

b/c I think they panicked,and thought they had to get her out of the house to get suspicion away from themselves.

Why should that be panick, thats a plan of action, so what prevented it from being executed?

NOW that she was to be kept/found in the house,JR didn't want to get the blame for the sexual assault...so she was wiped down,redressed

But why, whats the percentage, it can all be blamed on a nasty intruder, it will anyway, the sexual assault is a faite accompli, the deed was done, it could only be concealed, but it will be discovered at the autopsy.

When was the sexual assault inflicted, there are no reports of blood outside or inside of the wine-cellar, other than what is on JonBenet's person?

I reckon what we think was done in the basement took place elsewhere, and the staging is influencing our perception of events?


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[DeeDee249]

UKGuy- the eroded hymen wasn't the only evidence. Yes, not all girls and women have identical sexual organs, just as there are differences in men and boys. But there was blood found in the vestibule and forchette (which is NOT normal in ANY pre-mentrual woman and indicates an injury or irritation of some kind). There was exposure of the vaginal rugae, bruising (NOT normal) and vascular congestion and hyperemia. While the hymen by itself would not necessarily lead to suspicion of sexual assault, taken as a whole, the findings certainly do. And inserting anything into the vagina of a 6-year old girl is sexual abuse, even if it was douching by a parent. A washcloth and vigorous scrubbing would NOT cause those injuries. You don't need to "scrub" through a child's hymen because she soils herself.