Christmas Morning Picture of Burke and JB...

[rashomon]

Meyer DID mention the hymenal erosion, reddish hyperemia, bruising, watery red fluid, blood in the vaginal vestibule and forchette. What he did NOT do was state what he though the reasons were for them.
As I mentioned, not every coroner is also a medical doctor. Coroner is a politically appointed office. Although his title was DR. Meyer, he may have been a PhD and NOT an MD.

But how can a PhD have so much medical knowledge to be able to perform an autopsy?
Dr. Meyer wrote the hymen was represented by a rim of tissue, but is that the same as 'erosion' of the hymen? The hymen being represented by only a rim of mucosal tissue not entirely circumferential is in itself no abnormal finding. And if it was only a rim of mucosal tissue, the hymenal orifice would be probably automatically be wider.
But a very suspicious finding imo is the circumferential reddish hyperemia.
For it can't be explained away by irritation from 'bubble bath' or chronic inflammation because JonBenet's underwear was always wet with urine. Maybe the circumferential reddish hyperimia led the coroner to believe that JonBenet had been digitally penetrated?

[From the autopsy report]:
On the anterior aspect of the perineum, along the edges of
closure of the labia majora, is a small amount of dried blood. A
similar small amount of dried and semifluid blood is present on
the skin of the fourchette and in the vestibule. Inside the
vestibule of the vagina and along the distal vaginal wall is
reddish hyperemia. This hyperemia is circumferential and perhaps
more noticeable on the right side and posteriorly. The hyperemia
also appears to extend just inside the vaginal orifice. A 1 cm
red-purple area of abrasion is located on the right posterolateral
area of the 1x1 cm hymenal orifice. The hymen itself is represented
by a rim of mucosal tissue extending clockwise between the 2 and
10:00 positions. The area of abrasion is present at approximately
the 7:00 position and appears to involve the hymen and distal right
lateral vaginal wall and possibly the area anterior to the hymen.
On the right labia majora is a very faint area of violet
discoloration measuring approximately one inch by three-eighths of
an inch. Incision into the underlying subcutaneous tissue discloses
no hemorrhage. A minimal amount of semiliquid thin watery red fluid
is present in the vaginal vault. No recent or remote anal or other
perineal trauma is identified.

 

[Squishified]

Why was Dr. Beauf prescribing medication to Patsy?
Wasn't he a pediatrician?

 

[BOESP]

But how can a PhD have so much medical knowledge to be able to perform an autopsy?
Dr. Meyer wrote the hymen was represented by a rim of tissue, but is that the same as 'erosion' of the hymen? ...

Dr. Meyer was listed as a "medical examiner" so by that title he must be a physician. Often they are forensic pathologists but not always. I haven't read that Meyer is a forensic pathologist.

Coroners are elected and aren't required to be a physician. They usually have some special ability or experience that sets them up as a good candidate such as being a licensed mortician or registered nurse or EMT or having served as a medic in the military.

 

[BOESP]

Why was Dr. Beauf prescribing medication to Patsy?
Wasn't he a pediatrician?

In DOI Patsy said she asked the doctor to come in case JonBenet needed him when (or if) she was found. I'm not sure why she would think JonBenet would be found since she was kidnapped but maybe Patsy genuinely thought they'd get JonBenet back (I'm trying to be unbiased here). Patsy also said the doctor and his wife were Ramsey family friends.

Who knows why Patsy really invited him. Even though he was a pediatrician he could still prescribe to anyone he wanted to. I don't know of another case where the parent of a kidnapped child invited the pediatrician to their home. Sounds strange to me. Had JonBenet been found alive she would have been taken to the hospital instead of having a home visit.

 

[Squishified]

In DOI Patsy said she asked the doctor to come in case JonBenet needed him when (or if) she was found. I'm not sure why she would think JonBenet would be found since she was kidnapped but maybe Patsy genuinely thought they'd get JonBenet back (I'm trying to be unbiased here). Patsy also said the doctor and his wife were Ramsey family friends.

Who knows why Patsy really invited him. Even though he was a pediatrician he could still prescribe to anyone he wanted to. I don't know of another case where the parent of a kidnapped child invited the pediatrician to their home. Sounds strange to me. Had JonBenet been found alive she would have been taken to the hospital instead of having a home visit.

Sometimes I wonder if Patsy and Dr. Beauf had a "thing" going on.

 

[coloradokares]

I imagine he wasn't familiar with them, rashomon.

As for the "good" doctor, let me say this: in order for me to believe that the results of the examinations on the living body are legit, I have to believe that the autopsy results from the dead body are lies.

:clap: :clap: :clap:somebody was not telling the truth and for sure my vote for telling it like it was is Super Dave. Somebodys nose had to grow :liar: and it sure isnt Super Daves !!

 

[JMO8778]

Sometimes I wonder if Patsy and Dr. Beauf had a "thing" going on.

or a $ thing.I think it was just for show,just like the Rev. was invited.and Patsy wanted to be medicated,which she was.I also suspect he knew of the abuse,and was willing to put a block bet. the R's and LE,which is just what he did when LE wanted them to come down to HQ for questioning.

 

[JMO8778]

:clap: :clap: :clap:somebody was not telling the truth and for sure my vote for telling it like it was is Super Dave. Somebodys nose had to grow :liar: and it sure isnt Super Daves !!

I agree,and it's impossible for the RST to put a twist on THAT one !
oh they can try,but their lies are quite see-thruable.

 

[UKGuy]

In DOI Patsy said she asked the doctor to come in case JonBenet needed him when (or if) she was found. I'm not sure why she would think JonBenet would be found since she was kidnapped but maybe Patsy genuinely thought they'd get JonBenet back (I'm trying to be unbiased here). Patsy also said the doctor and his wife were Ramsey family friends.

Who knows why Patsy really invited him. Even though he was a pediatrician he could still prescribe to anyone he wanted to. I don't know of another case where the parent of a kidnapped child invited the pediatrician to their home. Sounds strange to me. Had JonBenet been found alive she would have been taken to the hospital instead of having a home visit.

BOESP,
Probably to get a few things straight, tell him his latest invoice would recieve prompt attention, and that he would always remain a good friend?

.

 

[BOESP]

BOESP,
Probably to get a few things straight, tell him his latest invoice would recieve prompt attention, and that he would always remain a good friend?

.

Or to get their stories straight about JonBenet's medical records?

 

[UKGuy]

Or to get their stories straight about JonBenet's medical records?

BOESP,
That as well as any matters that required intructions.

.

 

[coloradokares]

I agree,and it's impossible for the RST to put a twist on THAT one !
oh they can try,but their lies are quite see-thruable.

The lies are transparent as glass. I think Dr. Buef should have been held accountable to explain why no tests were done...Personally I think Dr. B was there to try to forstall any questions most especially regarding those issues and he apparently did a fine job of it. I think the Good doctor was there to CYA and claim they required isolation medcation and rest and could not be interveiwed. Unless he totally dazzled by bull he was a DR. c'mon he surely had a suspicion. IMHO if any little girl would have presented in the ER and her parents were Mr and Mrs average Joe. There would have been real problems.

 

[BOESP]

BOESP,
That as well as any matters that required intructions.

.

Do you have anything specific in mind about what kind of instructions?

 

[UKGuy]

Do you have anything specific in mind about what kind of instructions?

BOESP,

Sure, maybe he was requested to itemize all of JonBenet's records, and remove anything considered embarrassing, and before answering any questions regarding the doctor-patient relationship via JonBenet to first call the Ramsey's, just to make certain that we are singing from the same hymn sheet?

 

[Ames]

BOESP,

Sure, maybe he was requested to itemize all of JonBenet's records, and remove anything considered embarrassing, and before answering any questions regarding the doctor-patient relationship via JonBenet to first call the Ramsey's, just to make certain that we are singing from the same hymn sheet?

I agree...and being the GOOD FRIEND that he was....when asked to itemize all of JB's records, and remove anything considered embarrassing....he kindly obliged.

 

[coloradokares]

I agree...and being the GOOD FRIEND that he was....when asked to itemize all of JB's records, and remove anything considered embarrassing....he kindly obliged.

:clap: :clap: :clap: :dance: I always knew you were smarter than the average Boo Boo Bear

 

[DeeDee249]

The whole thing with PR and Dr.Boef is very suspect, IMO. First, the fact that JBR was brought so many times for vaginitis and yet the doctor declines to either report suspected abuse or say to the mother- "Enough with the bubble baths, already!" I mean how many infections does it take for it to sink in? PR wasn't stupid.
While any doctor can prescribe for anyone, it is very odd that PR wanted him there instead of her own doctor. PR knew the body of her daughter would be found at some point that day. Maybe she wanted Dr. Boef to pronounce her dead, thinking this would prevent another doctor from examining her and dicovering the abuse.
Maybe there is more to the relationship than pediatrician and mother of a patient after all.
Whatever it is, there is something "off" about the whole thing with him.

 

[JMO8778]

The whole thing with PR and Dr.Boef is very suspect, IMO. First, the fact that JBR was brought so many times for vaginitis and yet the doctor declines to either report suspected abuse or say to the mother- "Enough with the bubble baths, already!" I mean how many infections does it take for it to sink in? PR wasn't stupid.
While any doctor can prescribe for anyone, it is very odd that PR wanted him there instead of her own doctor. PR knew the body of her daughter would be found at some point that day. Maybe she wanted Dr. Boef to pronounce her dead, thinking this would prevent another doctor from examining her and dicovering the abuse.
Maybe there is more to the relationship than pediatrician and mother of a patient after all.
Whatever it is, there is something "off" about the whole thing with him.

I agree.And Patsy frantically called him 3x in 10 mins in early Dec.,yet she couldn't remember why she called.
and all the visits to the school nurse in Dec..and all on a Mon.

 

[JMO8778]

Sometimes I wonder if Patsy and Dr. Beauf had a "thing" going on.

that could be,too.so perhaps he was there for emotional support for Patsy.

 

[Toltec]

I agree.And Patsy frantically called him 3x in 10 mins in early Dec.,yet she couldn't remember why she called.
and all the visits to the school nurse in Dec..and all on a Mon.

I recall Steve Thomas talking about a "therapist" JonBenet was seeing at High Peaks Elementary. He was told those records were confidential....

A therapist???

I also doubt Dr. Beuf would alter JonBenet's medical records. It is hard to do and no Doctor would want to risk losing his license. If there was anything suspicious about those records, I doubt the nurses would be in on it.