Chuck and Judith Cox file for custody

[OneLove]

A lot of interesting possibilities. I would add one.

Josh may have been staying in the house because of SP's control and emotional blackmail.

JMO

Undoubtably the number one reason in my book. Any other factors are only secondary.

 

[diphi]

Hopefully, the kids (grown) will confide in the mom. She may learn more than anyone else ever could.

Is it possible that Josh has no hope of getting custody of his boys back unless he has housing of his own?

Since the sister that suspected Josh of 'misdeeds' was close to their mom, maybe there is antagonism or emotional undertones that Josh can't deal with. And maybe it is just sheer guilt, plain and simple, and now that daddy dearest is gone, he feels that guilt more heavily. Or maybe mom is telling him his extended narcissistic adolescence is over and he needs to get a job and be self supporting.

Is it possible that the father wanted and needed Josh in the house partly to help with adult mental illness in his other children? Maybe now that mom is there to step in, this relieves Josh of feeling responsible?

It's just hard to view Josh as a responsible, care taking sort, but maybe his father always leaned on him for that in the home. Who cooked and cleaned and saw that things got done?[/QUOTE]

BBM

I bet Josh's sister did that - you know, all the women's work...

IMO

 

[cocomod]

Hopefully, the kids (grown) will confide in the mom. She may learn more than anyone else ever could.

Is it possible that Josh has no hope of getting custody of his boys back unless he has housing of his own?

Respectfully snipped and BBM

It is entirely possible that Josh realizes that he will never regain custody unless he moves out of his father's home.

I have been thinking about these boys a lot this week. While following little Jahessye's case, I find it so very sad that it took weeks in foster care (completely away from their mom's influence) for the kids to open up about the abuse. In little Sky's case, CPS basically said that his mom has too much "control" over the daughter M, so she has been taken away and kept away.

We know that Josh is keeping his 3 hour weekly visits with the boys. The boys come back in a "defiant" mood. It is possible since he still has this much interaction with the boys, they may not talk to therapists. They may not ever get to the comfort level that they will say anything that they may know. They still see Daddy weekly, and they will still possibly feel loyalty to him. He has had many, many months of "coaching"; it could be very difficult to find the truth beneath all of that. JMHO

 

[RubyRed]

The boys aren't to go to Lowe's or Home Depot. Was something bought there and JP is afraid they will remember?

Nightmares and afraid of the dark. I have to wonder if one of the children saw or heard something. Your Mom going missing in the dark is enough to give anyone nightmares and I believe Susan was in that van with JP and the boys.

 

[gitana1]

He also said they were trying to abide by Josh Powell's request not to participate in certain activities with the boys...
OR activities that he (Josh) normally would have conducted with his sons ...
OR go places he would traditionally go with his boys such as Lowe's or Home Depot. :floorlaugh:

He said he would honor his son-in-law's request not to participate in workshop classes at those home improvement stores with the boys.

Cox noted the restrictions placed on his family by Josh Powell "can be somewhat problematic," and used an example of the boys wanting to go swimming.

He said he would be taking the boys to the YMCA to swim, whether or not that was something Josh Powell already did with them.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=181...ogical-info-on-josh-powell-says-boys-are-fine

Seriously??? Dude, if I restricted someone from taking my children everywhere I have taken them, they could never leave the house!

I guess we can presume that Josh didn't take the kids to the park, the zoo, the aquarium, the museum... or those things would be included?? :waitasec:

I can understand like ONE special thing only YOU do with your children... and asking that be avoided.
But anything YOU have done with them, they can't do with anyone else??

CONTROL issues much Josh? :waitasec:

I must assume that those are requests of Josh. not court orders because they make no sense.

The only court order I am certain of that applies to what the Coxes can and can't do with the children is church. And I frankly find that reprehensible. josh married their mother as a Mormon. He held himself out to be a Mormon during the marriage and the boys went to church during the marriage. His wife is a Mormon. He claims she is still alive and she has not relinquished her parental rights, so why does his sudden preference about the religious influences of his sons take precedence over his wife's preferences as well as the lifestyle they led prior to her disappearance?

It is a rhetorical question on my part. Legally, josh is the only parent available to come to court hearings so the court can only consider his wishes at this time. But I would like to see an argument made for allowing these boys to continue being exposed to the religion of their birth and life before their mother was taken from them.

Also, I wonder who is doing the monitoring of the visits and how good they are. Because they may miss little, insidious efforts on the part of josh to upset the children and undermine their relationship with their grandparents, if not highly trained. I wish there could be a court order for visits monitored by a therapist or therapeutic monitored visits only. Because monitors are trained to jot down what they see and to stop things that appear untoward, but they are not psychologists and their training is not that extensive, IMO. If josh had to do therapeutic visits, the monitor would be more knowledgeable, better able to catch passive aggressive attempts to alienate and better able to redirect and halt visits if necessary.

 

[OneLove]

I must assume that those are requests of Josh. not court orders because they make no sense.

The only court order I am certain of that applies to what the Coxes can and can't do with the children is church. And I frankly find that reprehensible. josh married their mother as a Mormon. He held himself out to be a Mormon during the marriage and the boys went to church during the marriage. His wife is a Mormon. He claims she is still alive and she has not relinquished her parental rights, so why does his sudden preference about the religious influences of his sons take precedence over his wife's preferences as well as the lifestyle they led prior to her disappearance?

It is a rhetorical question on my part. Legally, josh is the only parent available to come to court hearings so the court can only consider his wishes at this time. But I would like to see an argument made for allowing these boys to continue being exposed to the religion of their birth and life before their mother was taken from them.

Also, I wonder who is doing the monitoring of the visits and how good they are. Because they may miss little, insidious efforts on the part of josh to upset the children and undermine their relationship with their grandparents, if not highly trained. I wish there could be a court order for visits monitored by a therapist or therapeutic monitored visits only. Because monitors are trained to jot down what they see and to stop things that appear untoward, but they are not psychologists and their training is not that extensive, IMO. If josh had to do therapeutic visits, the monitor would be more knowledgeable, better able to catch passive aggressive attempts to alienate and better able to redirect and halt visits if necessary.

I TOTALLY AGREE on the training level of the monitors!

On the religion, you make such a great point about Josh holding himself to be Mormon when he married and after. I wonder if the Coxes can use this argument in mediation.

I really feel that Josh is "tainting" the church because the boys received a sense of family and community there and depriving them of this was his 'abusers' way of isolating them and better controlling them. It is so typical of abusers and seems to be abusive towards his own sons. He also seems to blame the church for everything wrong in his own life, an easy scapegoat to keep him from accepting responsibility for his own choices. He seems to have a model for this in his own father, who seemed to blame the church for all his marital problems instead of looking within. JMO

Is it possible Josh is STILL in denial as to what the REAL problems were in his marriage?? Duh...

 

[Jacie Estes]

I just checked the calendar; Christmas is on a Sunday this year. I wonder if the Coxes will be 'allowed' to celebrate with the boys. [sarcasm]

At least joshie boy will only have the boys for a few hours that day, kinda like a play date.

 

[SuziQ]

For Susan Powell’s sons, a missing mom and an uncertain future

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/53029746-78/powell-cox-josh-case.html.csp

 

[MsFacetious]

Wow...... that's all I got to say.

Wow....

Josh Powell says sons 'undergoing trauma' at hands of Cox family

Almost two years to the day that his wife went missing, Josh Powell filed a declaration in court as part of an ongoing custody battle over the couple's two children alleging harm and "ongoing trauma."

"By being with the Coxes, my sons are caught in the middle of a very hostile war of words and emotions," Powell wrote in a signed declaration filed in a Pierce County court Wednesday.

He called the Cox family's treatment of his children "reckless," indicative of "an irrational vendetta against me," and said it is "sapping my sons' happiness and sense of security."

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Now, Josh Powell is alleging that his father-in-law is releasing sensitive medical information about the children to the public, using the children to try and obtain information and photos from Josh Powell and is turning the boys against him, even going so far as to teach them to call Josh Powell "Josh" as opposed to "Daddy."

"As their natural father, I am the most important person in my sons' lives and they are acting out because they feel attacked as the Coxes make diligent efforts to destroy our bonds with one another," Josh Powell wrote.

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"But Susan's journals should be reviewed because they are relevant to whether my sons are emotionally, sexually and physically safe in the Cox house," he wrote. "As a child, my wife suffered all manner of abuse by her parents and she has never healed from the scars."

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=184...sons-undergoing-trauma-at-hands-of-cox-family

 

[jmarple]

Wow...... that's all I got to say.

Wow....

Josh Powell says sons 'undergoing trauma' at hands of Cox family

Almost two years to the day that his wife went missing, Josh Powell filed a declaration in court as part of an ongoing custody battle over the couple's two children alleging harm and "ongoing trauma."

"By being with the Coxes, my sons are caught in the middle of a very hostile war of words and emotions," Powell wrote in a signed declaration filed in a Pierce County court Wednesday.

He called the Cox family's treatment of his children "reckless," indicative of "an irrational vendetta against me," and said it is "sapping my sons' happiness and sense of security."

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Now, Josh Powell is alleging that his father-in-law is releasing sensitive medical information about the children to the public, using the children to try and obtain information and photos from Josh Powell and is turning the boys against him, even going so far as to teach them to call Josh Powell "Josh" as opposed to "Daddy."

"As their natural father, I am the most important person in my sons' lives and they are acting out because they feel attacked as the Coxes make diligent efforts to destroy our bonds with one another," Josh Powell wrote.

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"But Susan's journals should be reviewed because they are relevant to whether my sons are emotionally, sexually and physically safe in the Cox house," he wrote. "As a child, my wife suffered all manner of abuse by her parents and she has never healed from the scars."

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=184...sons-undergoing-trauma-at-hands-of-cox-family

Methinks he does protest too much. I find it interesting that he couldn't discern the evilness of his own father, but he's sure that Susan's father is a bad guy --NOT.:waitasec:

 

[krimekat]

Wow...... that's all I got to say.

Wow....

Josh Powell says sons 'undergoing trauma' at hands of Cox family

Almost two years to the day that his wife went missing, Josh Powell filed a declaration in court as part of an ongoing custody battle over the couple's two children alleging harm and "ongoing trauma."

"By being with the Coxes, my sons are caught in the middle of a very hostile war of words and emotions," Powell wrote in a signed declaration filed in a Pierce County court Wednesday.

He called the Cox family's treatment of his children "reckless," indicative of "an irrational vendetta against me," and said it is "sapping my sons' happiness and sense of security."

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Now, Josh Powell is alleging that his father-in-law is releasing sensitive medical information about the children to the public, using the children to try and obtain information and photos from Josh Powell and is turning the boys against him, even going so far as to teach them to call Josh Powell "Josh" as opposed to "Daddy."

"As their natural father, I am the most important person in my sons' lives and they are acting out because they feel attacked as the Coxes make diligent efforts to destroy our bonds with one another," Josh Powell wrote.

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"But Susan's journals should be reviewed because they are relevant to whether my sons are emotionally, sexually and physically safe in the Cox house," he wrote. "As a child, my wife suffered all manner of abuse by her parents and she has never healed from the scars."

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=184...sons-undergoing-trauma-at-hands-of-cox-family

:floorlaugh:

Poor Josh, coming unglued with Daddy in jail & results coming in from Topaz Mt.

Praying the boys begin to remember what happened to Susan

 

[Prentiss]

Of course you are not in any way responsible for sapping your sons of their happiness and sense of security are you Joshy boy!

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[Kimster]

I can't wait until the day his trap gets shut for good.

 

[nursebeeme]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...s-against-me/2011/12/08/gIQAKRhDfO_story.html

Josh Powell filed a court declaration this week in Pierce County, Wash., asking the 4- and 6-year-old boys to be moved to a neutral caretaker. He says Chuck and Judy Cox, who have custody, have an “irrational vendetta” against him that’s putting stress on the boys.

sounds like Josh is the one who is stressed ;-)

 

[cocomod]

I really hope that Josh's visitations are supervised well. I can imagine that HE is the one putting the boys in the middle of the "hostile war".

"The idea that the boys are being mistreated in the Cox home is silly," Graves said. "I've personally been out there twice now since they were removed from my dad's home — from Josh's home, from his custody — and the difference that I see is actually remarkable, the improvement that I see in them."

Graves most recently visited her nephews over the Thanksgiving holiday and says the boys are blossoming.

IMHO Chuck Cox has been nothing but a gentleman. I just know that he will not cause these children emotional abuse by talking about their unbelievably horrible father and other grandfather. I hope that their counselor is able to help them. Sometimes the beginning help of a counselor will bring out nightmares because of supressed memories, but hopefully they can honestly be healed from the abuse they have recieved by Josh and his father. Mental abuse can be every bit as bad as physical abuse in some cases. I think that the Powell families disparaging of these boy's mother has caused them great harm. Not to mention the fact that Josh is the one responsible for taking away their beautiful mother IMHO.

Keep talking Joshy boy, keep talking. Maybe the police will feel the need to put you behind bars for what was going on the Powell home before the boys were taken away from you.

 

[princesspjs]

Susan Powell's husband says in-laws turning kids against him

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Sus...-laws-turning-kids-against-him-135248558.html


:violin:

 

[DLT88]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...s-against-me/2011/12/08/gIQAKRhDfO_story.html




sounds like Josh is the one who is stressed ;-)

I agree. And I think he does NOT love these boys -- they are just a pawn to him. If he loved them AND was innocent, he should be happy they are in good hands with family. But because he is afraid they will "talk" or is paranoid he is being talked badly about, he wants his sons to suffer more by being removed from the grandparents and put in a home with strangers???!!! Another disruption of their young lives???!! That is NOT love but pure selfishness. Just like his father -- narcissistic to the max.

 

[Steely Dan]

Susan Powell's husband says in-laws turning kids against him

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Sus...-laws-turning-kids-against-him-135248558.html


:violin:

Uh, let's see. IIRC, Josh and his Pappy were telling the kids that the Cox's were mean and nasty and that they shouldn't want to go to them. Is it possible that once the propaganda campaign against the Cox's stopped the kids started making their own decisions? Is it possible that when the kids ask where mommy is that they get a true answer like; "Nobody knows, but I do know she'd never walk away from you kids on purpose." Is it possible that through just being honest with them they are starting to question their father? After all he told them, IIRC, that the Cox's were evil and they've been with the Cox's long enough to learn that they were lied to about that and now are maybe wondering what else they've been lied to about? JMO

 

[gwenabob]

"As their natural father, I am the most important person in my sons' lives and they are acting out because they feel attacked as the Coxes make diligent efforts to destroy our bonds with one another," Josh Powell wrote.

Um, no, Josh. I'm pretty sure the most important person in the boys' lives is their mother, you know, the one you got rid of two years ago? Remember her?

 

[Donjeta]

Um hm. An "irrational vendetta" against him.

Even if the Coxes have some hard feelings about JP I'm not sure if it could be called "irrational". JMO but every rational person understands if the parents of a missing person are not all hearts and flowers when it comes to the person of interest in the case.