Cincinnati Zoo kills gorilla after child gets into his cage, May 28, 2016

[LinasK]

All those parents who lose their child for a moment at the mall and get a call over the intercom should be too, if that's the case. The courts will be full.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...-who-fell-into-gorilla-pen-at-cincinnati-zoo/

Ric Simmons, an Ohio State University criminal law professor, said he doubts a charge of child endangering could be proved in this instance, since the offence typically involves leaving a youngster unattended for an extended time, not a case of a child momentarily wandering off.

"The mother was standing next to a zoo exhibit and lost track of her child for perhaps a minute or so," Mr Simmons said. "That has happened to almost every parent in the world in a public place."

No, she didn't just "lose track of him for a moment". This was NO accident, and I'm tired of people trying to make it so. This was purposeful. This child announce his intentions more than once to her- she knew exactly where he was going, after saying "No, no" to him, she chose to ignore him and get on her phone.<modsnip>

 

[Mrs G Norris]

No, she didn't just "lose track of him for a moment". This was NO accident, and I'm tired of people trying to make it so. This was purposeful. This child announce his intentions more than once to her- she knew exactly where he was going, after saying "No, no" to him, she chose to ignore him and get on her phone. There are reports that she has had her children taken away from her before for neglect.

If she lost her children previously please provide a link, otherwise that's repeating Facebook rumors which we have been asked not to do.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Otherwise, I'm sure they'd be sueing the zoo, or there'd be a Go F Me account.

They haven't done either of the above, not even a hint of it (besides rumors) yet they get no credit for that, people simply say they would have except for the PR team. Don't you think you're being a little bit harsh towards them in general?

 

[JeannaT]

No, she didn't just "lose track of him for a moment". This was NO accident, and I'm tired of people trying to make it so. This was purposeful. This child announce his intentions more than once to her- she knew exactly where he was going, after saying "No, no" to him, she chose to ignore him and get on her phone.<modsnip>

Linas, I've agreed with you on so many points in this thread, but not this one. I don't think at all that this was purposeful - as in, she intended to have him go into the gorilla enclosure. I am mad, because I think this child is seriously in need of constant supervision, and I think my anger stems from knowing two other kids like this one who were seriously in need of supervision and DID NOT get it. One has committed suicide after injuring many people with his thoughtless reckless attitude, and one has all his facial bones broken and has broken hearts from his thoughtless suicidal type behaviors. I think this boy is headed for the exact same fate.

And this beloved gorilla is dead now, and (IMHO) he's the first victim to fall to a child who doesn't have sufficient ingrained caution.

 

[CoolJ]

As far as the mother goes, here is what I know about people: We often stand in judgement of others based on something we do not like or would like to change about ourselves. In other words, when you judge someone, it says nothing of that other person, but speaks volumes about yourself.

This mother made a mistake. Her child could have instead easily been kidnapped. Do we condemn the hundreds of mothers throughout the threads here on this site because they were distracted and their child kidnapped? The gorilla was killed because the barriers were obviously lacking or poorly designed. The idea of her being charged with child endangerment is laughable. JMO

 

[LinasK]

Linas, I've agreed with you on so many points in this thread, but not this one. I don't think at all that this was purposeful - as in, she intended to have him go into the gorilla enclosure. I am mad, because I think this child is seriously in need of constant supervision, and I think my anger stems from knowing two other kids like this one who were seriously in need of supervision and DID NOT get it. One has committed suicide after injuring many people with his thoughtless reckless attitude, and one has all his facial bones broken and has broken hearts from his thoughtless suicidal type behaviors. I think this boy is headed for the exact same fate.

And this beloved gorilla is dead now, and (IMHO) he's the first victim to fall to a child who doesn't have sufficient ingrained caution.

Purposeful in that the child chose to enter the enclosure and jump down, the mother chose to ignore him knowing that he stated he was going to do that. This wasn't the kid falling off the railing or mom having no idea where he went because she turned her head for 1 sec.

 

[cujenn81]

As far as the mother goes, here is what I know about people: We often stand in judgement of others based on something we do not like or would like to change about ourselves. In other words, when you judge someone, it says nothing of that other person, but speaks volumes about yourself.

This mother made a mistake. Her child could have instead easily been kidnapped. Do we condemn the hundreds of mothers throughout the threads here on this site because they were distracted and their child kidnapped? The gorilla was killed because the barriers were obviously lacking or poorly designed. The idea of her being charged with child endangerment is laughable. JMO

This is true.
"What Susie says of Sally says more of Susie than Sally."

(Try saying that 3x really fast!)

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Snipped for focus...

Purposeful in that the child chose to enter the enclosure and jump down

I think your expectations for a three year old's ability to understand and forsee danger and exercise impulse control are a bit high.

, the mother chose to ignore him knowing that he stated he was going to do that.

It should not have been possible for a three year old to get through the barrier, under any circumstances. It is not unreasonable for the mother to presume the zoo had designed barriers to keep children out of the exhibits.

Should she have been watching him closer? Of course... but we have the benefit of hindsight. Sure she could have used a leash... but, like the vast majority of parents, she didn't. She turned her attention away for a moment, at the wrong moment. Nothing in MSM indicates that she was on her phone. That is nothing but a SM rumor. MSM actually does report that it was a moments inattention... from multiple witnesses.

mother was then briefly distracted by other children with her, and suddenly the boy was in the water, O'Connor said.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/30/us/gorilla-shot-cincinnati-witnesses/

“The difference between her and any other parent, who is a good parent when their children get in accidents, is her’s was at the zoo,” she said. “It wasn’t at the pool, it wasn’t at a park, it wasn’t at a mall where people are getting snatched up.”

In response to the stream of angry messages she’s received Nicely has since taken down her Facebook page.”

“I’m not hiding, but people are cruel,” she said.

http://time.com/4355635/gorilla-zoo-cincinnati-mom-harassed/

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[LinasK]

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Should she have been watching him closer? Of course... but we have the benefit of hindsight. Sure she could have used a leash... but, like the vast majority of parents, she didn't. She turned her attention away for a moment, at the wrong moment. Nothing in MSM indicates that she was on her phone. That is nothing but a SM rumor. MSM actually does report that it was a moments inattention... from multiple witnesses.




http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/30/us/gorilla-shot-cincinnati-witnesses/



http://time.com/4355635/gorilla-zoo-cincinnati-mom-harassed/

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You believe what you want to, I've read otherwise from multiple witnesses in msm, I just don't have the article handy...

 

[CoolJ]

People talk of this child as though he is an uncontrollable little hellion. That may not be the case at all. He may very well be an adventurous/curious child who did not know the danger he was facing. Folks are speaking about him as though he is doomed for a life of crime. This mother is very likely just as loving and compassionate AND attentive as 99% of those posting here and on other sites and comments sections. I don't get the need to condemn either of them. If the barriers at the zoo were unbreachable (As i would expect of a zoo that caters to toddlers) this tragedy would not have happened.

Easy to condemn and point fingers until it is you who is being pointed at. JMO

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

http://time.com/4355366/gorilla-police-investigation/

In this case, there are people saying the boy and his mother should be dead. There are people scrutinizing a mom for being thankful her child is alive. There are talk show hosts and pundits asking not “What went wrong here and how can we prevent this from happening again?” but “Why wasn’t the mother watching her son?”

Many people are jumping to broad negative, conclusions about this woman’s home, family and life. They are assuming, for some reason, that she didn’t care about what her son was doing, even though all evidence points to the contrary. We were not there. We cannot say that she is a negligent parent. Deidre Lykins was there. She says Gregg was vigilant, strong and utterly distraught.

More at link.

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[Montjoy]

You believe what you want to, I've read otherwise from multiple witnesses in msm, I just don't have the article handy...

I'm going to believe CNN and Time over SM rumors and unnamed, unlinked sources.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

For their part, representatives for the boy’s family told WCPO-TV on Wednesday afternoon that they don't plan to file any lawsuits against the zoo. The family released a statement asking anyone who has considered donating money toward his medical expenses to give the money to the zoo instead.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/mom-911-call-cincinnati-zoo-released-article-1.2657551

So, no lawsuit, no , and if anyone insists on giving them money, donate it to the zoo. I hope we can drop the FB rumors about lawsuits and now.

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[Wyle_E_Coyote]

There is nothing I can accuse you of that you haven’t already heard. There are no harsh words I can type that you haven’t already read and etched into your mind, there has already been enough shouting to keep you up at night. So let me say something that isn’t being said enough.

This is not your fault.

...

I have 4-year-old boy and every week we go to the Central Park Zoo, I could have easily been you. I am familiar with the rush of panic that washes over a mother as she turns to see that her child is not where he was only a moment ago. I am accustomed to the double heartbeat that happens when a child disappears into a sea of matching curls and dirty knees. I know the frustration of telling a child for the fifth and sixth and seventh time, with patience growing thin, honey don’t climb on that, baby don’t go in there, sweetie you’re not allowed to do the thing you are set on doing.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/an-open-letter-to-the-cincinnati-zoo-mother_b_10239402.html

More at link

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[Wyle_E_Coyote]

going back to what happened this week — if you really feel the need to blame someone I suggest we start by asking HOW is it even possible that a child was able to get through the fence and find his way to the gorilla in the first place. This to me is far more concerning that knowing that a mother took her eyes off her child for five seconds.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/stop-blaming-the-cincinnati-zoo-mother_b_10237134.html


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[Mrs G Norris]

People harshly criticizing the mother are projecting their inner fear that something out of their control could happen to their child. As long as they convince themselves she was a 'bad mother' they can let their own offspring navigate the world safe in the false belief that because they are 'good mothers' nothing bad will happen.

 

[Montjoy]

People harshly criticizing the mother are projecting their inner fear that something out of their control could happen to their child. As long as they convince themselves she was a 'bad mother' they can let their own offspring navigate the world safe in the false belief that because they are 'good mothers' nothing bad will happen.

Agreed, and likely some want to preserve some naive fantasies about zoos being wonderful, safe places.

 

[neesaki]

BBM. I do zoos, I like animals, but I agree with you, why put yourself in a situation you can't physically manage? Especially if you know you have a 3-year-old boy who doesn't listen???:banghead:

Exactly, especially if she knows that if she says something to her son like " no you won't ", that it is basically a guarantee that he will do everything he can to prove he can. And as his mother she should know his personality and ...... It's like a given, there are children of this nature who will find a way to prove you wrong and to do whatever they want. To a child like that, it's basically a challenge, a dare. Tell me not to, and I surely will. Surely one would think this boy's mother knew her own child, but apparently not. Or the alternative, she chose to dismiss and ignore him. I know there are some who want to make excuses for her , but that's just how I see it. jmo

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

Exactly, especially if she knows that if she says something to her son like " no you won't ", that it is basically a guarantee that he will do everything he can to prove he can. And as his mother she should know his personality and ...... It's like a given, there are children of this nature who will find a way to prove you wrong and to do whatever they want. To a child like that, it's basically a challenge, a dare. Tell me not to, and I surely will. Surely one would think this boy's mother knew her own child, but apparently not. Or the alternative, she chose to dismiss and ignore him. I know there are some who want to make excuses for her , but that's just how I see it. jmo

Nothing has been reported indicating that this is a pattern of behavior with this child. It may be, but it may have been an atypical impulse of a three year old excited by an outing to the zoo.

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[jjenny]

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/stop-blaming-the-cincinnati-zoo-mother_b_10237134.html


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The enclosure clearly wasn't designed to prevent people who want to get in from getting in. I guess whoever designed it assumed nobody would want to jump 15 feet into a moat.