Cincinnati Zoo kills gorilla after child gets into his cage, May 28, 2016

[Ray_of_hope]

I don't think he's necessarily doomed to a life of crime - but I do think he's destined for a life of suicidal behavior. That's what I think. I think this child has very little in the way of survival skills that most mammals are born with.

I have a minor in psychology, and I was REALLY interested in the studies of the "visual cliff". Kids at the age of about 8 months old will NOT cross a visual cliff, even if their mother is calling them to cross it. Because even at the age of 8 months, they know it is dangerous.

For those who are interested, google "visual cliff babies". I think it will make you realize how completely unusual it is for a 4 year old to slide down a 15 foot cement barrier.

DH and I both majored in psych before he went to medical school and I went into accounting and then nursing. I loved all of the studies from social and general psychology (Stanford and Milgram experiments) to Developmental psychology ( baby binding and walking; and visual cliff, along with Piaget's observations). Crowd behavior and responsibility studies were fascinating along with abnormal psych. I learned so much. I agree with your assessment and that is why I posted about hoping the little guy would be assessed for development and visual probs. Some kids fall outside the bell curve so he may just be taking longer to develop impulse control. And as noted in my previous post, there are very precocious and fearless children in every stage of development. But I'd feel better if he would be evaluated and found to be within normal limits. Just thankful he's reportedly ok.
And I hope as Jane Goodall pointed out, that Harambe's friends are being allowed to grieve.
My oldest son is in grad school studying and researching neuropsychology and he's fascinating to talk to.

 

[LinasK]

It was announced yesterday that the prosecutor will make a statement on Monday regarding his decision on filing charges against these parents.lease:

For the "Grace of God but go I" posters, would you also not file charges against parents in hot car deaths??? How do you feel about Ross Harris???
And there are msm links further down this page showing this father does have a criminal history, so that says something about the child's role model/family life.

 

[JeannaT]

DH and I both majored in psych before he went to medical school and I went into accounting and then nursing. I loved all of the studies from social and general psychology (Stanford and Milgram experiments) to Developmental psychology ( baby binding and walking; and visual cliff, along with Piaget's observations). Crowd behavior and responsibility studies were fascinating along with abnormal psych. I learned so much. I agree with your assessment and that is why I posted about hoping the little guy would be assessed for development and visual probs. Many kids fall outside the bell curve so he may just be taking longer to develop impulse control. And as noted in my previous post, there are very precocious and fearless children in every stage of development. But I'd feel better if he would be evaluated and found to be within normal limits. Just thankful he's reportedly ok.
And I hope as Jane Goodall pointed out, that Harambe's friends are being allowed to grieve.
My oldest son is in grad school studying and researching neuropsychology and he's fascinating to talk to.

Me too. My guess, though, is that they will find he lacks basic survival caution.

 

[drjones]

FYI, serial killers do start out by abusing animals...

right, thats why i drew the comparison...

 

[bluesneakers]

It was announced yesterday that the prosecutor will make a statement on Monday regarding his decision on filing charges against these parents.lease:

For the "Grace of God but go I" posters, would you also not file charges against parents in hot car deaths??? How do you feel about Ross Harris???
And there are msm links further down this page showing this father does have a criminal history, so that says something about the child's role model/family life.

I think in most cases charges are unwarranted. Charges against Ross Harris (IMO) are probably justified though I don't know all the details.

 

[LinasK]

And it's not as simplistic as Nancy Reagan's "Just Say No". You don't stop there when your child has announced his intentions to defy you- you grab his little hand/shirt and pull him away, you get him out of the area. Maybe leave the zoo. You explain to him the danger he is putting himself and the endangered animal in by entering the enclosure. You explain to him that the animals are not pets and are just for looking at.

 

[drjones]

now losing track of your child for a few seconds is equivalent to forgetting about them for hours? maybe a better question is do you think someone should face charges if they leave their child in the car while they run to see if they locked the door or turned the oven off?



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[al66pine]

Zoo set to reopen exhibit with new fencing. Doesn't look that much safer to me. MOO
http://www.wlwt.com/news/prosecutor-reviewing-cpd-investigation-into-zoo-gorilla-incident/39863244
"The zoo said the new barrier railing is 42” high with solid wood beams at the top and on the bottom with knotted rope netting.
That's a half-foot higher than the steel railing barrier previously in place."

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From link:

What is the knotted "rope" netting made of?* Cotton? Hemp? Jute? Sisal? Polypropylene? Nylon? Kevlar?
"Many kinds of filaments in ropes are weakened by acids or other corrosive liquids or solvents, and high temperatures. Such damage is treacherous because it often is hard to tell by eye.[SUP][15][/SUP] Rope damaged in such ways is dangerous to use." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope

Will this "knotted rope netting" -
- stretch?
- sag?
- fray?
- unravel?

How much? How soon before a toddler/youngster crawls thru an opening?
It may take multiple seasons of handling by visitors' routine leaning/grabbing/climbing to create openings
OTOH in less than an hour (depending on material) even tomorrow, one visitor w knife, nail file, multi-tool, rasp etc. could create opening, a child could Houdini thru.
JM2cts, could be all wrong.

 

[blue22]

now losing track of your child for a few seconds is equivalent to forgetting about them for hours? maybe a better question is do you think someone should face charges if they leave their child in the car while they run to see if they locked the door or turned the oven off?

"dont like this comment? dont worry! it probably wont be here long."[/QUOTE

No, not at all. But there is no official time frame for irresponsibility or negligence. When losing track if your child results in their serious injury death, or near death...you will be focused on. That's how it works. Parenting is not for the weak, it's serious business. When a parent doesn't take it seriously enough and their kid is in danger you're going to answer for.

 

[drjones]

^i dont disagree, the entire situation matters.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

This is purely mother and a child that should have been spanked prior for not listening on outings. Jmo

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Perhaps I missed something... where has it been reported that the child has done this on other outings?

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[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I've seen nothing racist in any of this entire discussion. Why is it necessary to bring race into this discussion? It has nothing to do with race.

Only racists have to make everything about race.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/king-racism-found-cincinnati-zoo-saga-article-1.2655860

I found this article to be enlightening on the topic.

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[tmhco]

This mother lost control for a matter of seconds. I've done the same. For what it is worth I lean conservative. I am just calling it as I see it.

 

[Coldpizza]

Not going down the race road folks.

 

[sonjay]

Not going down the race road folks.

Thank you.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

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Perhaps I missed something... where has it been reported that the child has done this on other outings?

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.. or that the child is overdue for a good spanking?

 

[bluesneakers]

FWIW I'd like to clarify my comment was not in response to anything I've seen here at WS.

I hope it's okay to post this because I don't want people here to think I was referring to them.

 

[Montjoy]

.. or that the child is overdue for a good spanking?

Didn't you get the memo? One of the hallmarks of the sort of SuperParent who is 100% vigilant around her kids, even when witnesses say they couldn't have prevent what her child did, is that they believe in corporal punishment/assaulting children to teach them lessons.

 

[JLSChook]

Not going down the race road folks.

Thanks, CP and sorry about my stupidity. :blushing:

 

[JeannaT]

What this child is "overdue" for is a hypervigilant parent, IMHO.

She knows her child best, the others in the park who witnessed this are more used to children who don't scale barriers and then slide down 15 foot embankments to play with a huge gorilla.

This child needs one on one vigilant supervision. No one there could have known that, except the mother, and she didn't act on it.

And I think we've all seen mothers who pretend their children don't need more supervision than others.