Cincinnati Zoo kills gorilla after child gets into his cage, May 28, 2016

[JeannaT]

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From link:

What is the knotted "rope" netting made of?* Cotton? Hemp? Jute? Sisal? Polypropylene? Nylon? Kevlar?
"Many kinds of filaments in ropes are weakened by acids or other corrosive liquids or solvents, and high temperatures. Such damage is treacherous because it often is hard to tell by eye.[SUP][15][/SUP] Rope damaged in such ways is dangerous to use." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope

Will this "knotted rope netting" -
- stretch?
- sag?
- fray?
- unravel?

How much? How soon before a toddler/youngster crawls thru an opening?
It may take multiple seasons of handling by visitors' routine leaning/grabbing/climbing to create openings
OTOH in less than an hour (depending on material) even tomorrow, one visitor w knife, nail file, multi-tool, rasp etc. could create opening, a child could Houdini thru.
JM2cts, could be all wrong.

They check the gorilla enclosure every day. My guess is this barrier will be on scheduled replacement maintenance, and will be otherwise checked every day. It's meant to look attractive and natural, not like a cage - and I would bet they'll maintain it very carefully.

 

[LinasK]

What this child is "overdue" for is a hypervigilant parent, IMHO.

She knows her child best, the others in the park who witnessed this are more used to children who don't scale barriers and then slide down 15 foot embankments to play with a huge gorilla.

This child needs one on one vigilant supervision. No one there could have known that, except the mother, and she didn't act on it.

And I think we've all seen mothers who pretend their children don't need more supervision than others.

BBM.:clap::clap::clap: Thank-you, well-said!:goodpost:

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Didn't you get the memo? One of the hallmarks of the sort of SuperParent who is 100% vigilant around her kids, even when witnesses say they couldn't have prevent what her child did, is that they believe in corporal punishment/assaulting children to teach them lessons.

Ah yes, sorry my bad! I'll refer to the 'I am a perfect mother and my perfect child never did / will do anything wrong, therefore I have the right to judge everybody!' book of mothering before posting going forward

 

[AlwaysShocked]

Spanking is considered to be child abuse nowadays. Many of us here likely will be the last generation who spanked their children. It is a different world now. I took an online class about child abuse, reporting, mandated reporters, etc. and was quite surprised by all that I learned.
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Sometimes I wonder why the zoos are always striving for their barriers to "look natural". Why not have them look like what they are? Perhaps that would add a visual component to "you should not go in there".

 

[Deleted member 39678]

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From link:

What is the knotted "rope" netting made of?* Cotton? Hemp? Jute? Sisal? Polypropylene? Nylon? Kevlar?
"Many kinds of filaments in ropes are weakened by acids or other corrosive liquids or solvents, and high temperatures. Such damage is treacherous because it often is hard to tell by eye.[SUP][15][/SUP] Rope damaged in such ways is dangerous to use." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope

Will this "knotted rope netting" -
- stretch?
- sag?
- fray?
- unravel?

How much? How soon before a toddler/youngster crawls thru an opening?
It may take multiple seasons of handling by visitors' routine leaning/grabbing/climbing to create openings
OTOH in less than an hour (depending on material) even tomorrow, one visitor w knife, nail file, multi-tool, rasp etc. could create opening, a child could Houdini thru.
JM2cts, could be all wrong.

They check the gorilla enclosure every day. My guess is this barrier will be on scheduled replacement maintenance, and will be otherwise checked every day. It's meant to look attractive and natural, not like a cage - and I would bet they'll maintain it very carefully.

This improved barrier was put up pretty quickly. It may be a temporary fix until a more permanent and durable one is built. JMO

 

[neesaki]

A Cliff Notes Guide To Furries And Why That TV Host Went Crazy When She Found Out What They Are

LOL, are you guys serious? :lol:

 

[Mrs G Norris]

LOL, are you guys serious? :lol:

Don't google it whatever you do! LOL

 

[Deleted member 39678]

LOL, are you guys serious? :lol:

Don't google it whatever you do! LOL

I had to google it because you said not to. I don't understand why this "furry" stuff is being posted on this thread.

I must be missing something.

 

[bluesneakers]

LOL, are you guys serious? :lol:

Yep! I used to live in Pittsburgh where they have their main convention every year. Ever since I learned about them I've wondered about mascots for colleges and professional sports teams.

 

[popsicle]

[h=1]Reds Run Gorilla Glue Ad, Everyone Notices (Photos) http://washington.cbslocal.com/2016/06/03/reds-run-gorilla-glue-ad-everyone-notices-photos/[/h]
Just four miles from the Cincinnati Zoo, where a Silverback Gorilla named Harambe was shot by zookeepers in order to spare the life of a child that had fallen into the exhibit, Gorilla Glue had an in-stadium ad that ran behind homeplate.

Fans of both the Cincinnati Reds and Washington Nationals began to take note in the bottom half of the second inning. The dark, cruel irony of the situation wasn’t lost on Twitter:

 

[sonjay]

Reds Run Gorilla Glue Ad, Everyone Notices (Photos) http://washington.cbslocal.com/2016/06/03/reds-run-gorilla-glue-ad-everyone-notices-photos/


Just four miles from the Cincinnati Zoo, where a Silverback Gorilla named Harambe was shot by zookeepers in order to spare the life of a child that had fallen into the exhibit, Gorilla Glue had an in-stadium ad that ran behind homeplate.

Fans of both the Cincinnati Reds and Washington Nationals began to take note in the bottom half of the second inning. The dark, cruel irony of the situation wasn’t lost on Twitter:

Oh, for heaven's sake, people are just frothing at the mouth looking for things to get upset over.

From the article:

"To be fair, Gorilla Glue is a Cincinnati company with deep ties to the team. In 2006, the Cincinnati Business Journal reported that Nick Ragland, owner of Gorilla Glue, was one of more than 44 minority owners of the team.

Gorilla Glue has been an officially sponsor of the team for years, and had nothing to do with the tragedy at the zoo."

 

[jjenny]

Gorilla glue advertising doesn't have anything to do with Harambe.

 

[KaaBoom]

For the "Grace of God but go I" posters, would you also not file charges against parents in hot car deaths??? How do you feel about Ross Harris???.

Apples and oranges. Leaving a child alone in a car while you go to work is unacceptable under any circumstances. Taking your child (or even four children) to the zoo is a very acceptably activity. You are stretching so hard, to try and make this case something it is not.

There is close to a zero chance that the mother will be charged with anything, and I think that even you know it.

 

[Montjoy]

I'm not a fan of zoos, but notwithstanding: something that has escaped this discussion is that, if anything, taking one's children to the zoo should be seen as a solid sign of good parenting.

 

[KaaBoom]

Zoo set to reopen exhibit with new fencing. Doesn't look that much safer to me. MOO

http://www.wlwt.com/news/prosecutor-reviewing-cpd-investigation-into-zoo-gorilla-incident/39863244

"The zoo said the new barrier railing is 42” high with solid wood beams at the top and on the bottom with knotted rope netting.
That's a half-foot higher than the steel railing barrier previously in place."

Unbelievable. It looks like they went to Home Depot and picked up $200 worth of supplies (wood beams, rope, and netting), and slapped it together in half an hour. :facepalm:

But I guess it should be no surprise. Why should they do anything more, in a country that wants to send the mother to jail for her child climbing over a railing and some bushes and falling into a gorilla pit, and thinks that corporations have zero responsibility for anything.

Unfortunately it’s just a matter of time before it will happen again, because no changes will be made to prevent it.

 

[Jax49]

Unbelievable. It looks like they went to Home Depot and picked up $200 worth of supplies (wood beams, rope, and netting), and slapped it together in half an hour. :facepalm:

But I guess it should be no surprise. Why should they do anything more, in a country that wants to send the mother to jail for her child climbing over a railing and some bushes and falling into a gorilla pit, and thinks that corporations have zero responsibility for anything.

Unfortunately it’s just a matter of time before it will happen again, because no changes will be made to prevent it.

It's better, but only slightly. At least now a child would be easier to spot -- going over, instead of under or thru.

Does seem too little too late, though. I'm sick that a magnificent creature had to die. IMHO

 

[KaaBoom]

No barrier will be safe if zoo patrons - adults or children - lean too far forward over said barrier, stand on the barrier, climb on the barrier, or attempt to cross over the barrier. The same thing happens when cruise ship passengers refuse to heed warnings about leaning, climbing/sitting/standing on deck railings or holding young children on the railings. I've been on 30+ cruises and know, for a fact, that no one can simply fall over the railings or off the ship without self-propulsion. Given that this is the first time in many years that someone breached the zoo barrier, I continue to hold the mother responsible for her child's actions. If the boy had been advised to stay close to his mother and properly instructed about safety around the gorilla exhibit, this terrible incident wouldn't have happened. :moo:

If we can’t make a barrier that a four year old child can't climb over in two seconds, it’s a sad, sad commentary on what our society has become.

 

[bluesneakers]

I'm not a fan of zoos, but notwithstanding: something that has escaped this discussion is that, if anything, taking one's children to the zoo should be seen as a solid sign of good parenting.

How easy it is to overlook this. Thanks.

 

[JeannaT]

Unbelievable. It looks like they went to Home Depot and picked up $200 worth of supplies (wood beams, rope, and netting), and slapped it together in half an hour. :facepalm:

But I guess it should be no surprise. Why should they do anything more, in a country that wants to send the mother to jail for her child climbing over a railing and some bushes and falling into a gorilla pit, and thinks that corporations have zero responsibility for anything.

Unfortunately it’s just a matter of time before it will happen again, because no changes will be made to prevent it.

I think something the public misunderstands about zoo enclosures is they don't want it to look like a cage. Had they gotten burglar bars or a huge bulletproof glass wall, it would be clearly a cage. They want it to look like a cabana.

And it's really hard to keep people who are determined to get in, out of a cabana.

 

[KaaBoom]

It's better, but only slightly. At least now a child would be easier to spot -- going over, instead of under or thru.

Does seem too little too late, though. I'm sick that a magnificent creature had to die. IMHO

I bet a lot of children could pull that net lose, and crawl under it just as fast as that kid got in the gorilla pit. It looks like they choose the absolute minimum solution.