Cincinnati Zoo kills gorilla after child gets into his cage, May 28, 2016

[JeannaT]

Cognitive dissonance.

Was it Gene Bauer doing the talking?

"Cognitive Dissonance" is a psychological term for when you strongly believe something, and then evidence against what you believe is presented to you, and how hard you will work to disagree with that information. Classically, a wife presented with nearly irrefutable evidence that her husband is cheating on her will do mental gymnastics to reframe that information in a way that she still doesn't accept he's cheating on her.

The more important the belief is to you, and the more you've had to invest in that belief, the more uncomfortable you will become when evidence is presented that you're wrong.

That's cognitive dissonance.

 

[JeannaT]

In all honesty. If this happened at Disneyland where a kid went under a turnstyle and jumped in front of an approaching roller coaster.

Then I wouldn't blame Disneyland. Jmo.

But I do understand what you mean in regards to why you stated it. We are all just conversating. Happy Saturday to all.

If the roller coaster had to be destroyed to save the child, I wouldn't care.

That's the difference. I care about the gorilla.

 

[KaaBoom]

My anger doesn't belong at the zoo. My anger belongs with the parent of this child in need of extra supervision and the parent did not provide it.

And in thinking through this deeply, I'm realizing my anger is stemming from frustration with a couple friends who did not supervise their children and those kids caused real damage. Although anyone who was acquainted with them knew they were capable of damage, and felt the kids should be supervised more closely than the parents were willing to do.

Well, unfortunately then nothing will change. It will happen again. Because the zoo’s are the only ones that can prevent this from happening. There will always be irresponsible parents at a zoo. Nothing will ever change that.

 

[JeannaT]

Well, unfortunately then nothing will change. It will happen again. Because the zoo’s are the only ones that can prevent this from happening. There will always be irresponsible parents at a zoo. Nothing will ever change that.

I wonder. What if the policy of the zoo is, it isn't an automatic response that all the animals in an enclosure will be killed if a human breeches that enclosure.

If you purposely get into an enclosure with dangerous animals, it isn't a given that we will shoot the animals.

Just as we have the policy that the US doesn't negotiate with terrorists. As awful as it is when terrorists threaten American citizens, we don't negotiate with them. If they behead our citizens, that's how that is, sadly.

So how about that. If you purposely get into an enclosure with a dangerous animal, we will do what we can to rescue you.

 

[Montjoy]

I wonder. What if the policy of the zoo is, it isn't an automatic response that all the animals in an enclosure will be killed if a human breeches that enclosure.

If you purposely get into an enclosure with dangerous animals, it isn't a given that we will shoot the animals.

Just as we have the policy that the US doesn't negotiate with terrorists. As awful as it is when terrorists threaten American citizens, we don't negotiate with them. If they behead our citizens, that's how that is, sadly.

So how about that. If you purposely get into an enclosure with a dangerous animal, we will do what we can to rescue you.

Nothing to say here except that you're setting up another false dichotomy. That's nothing more or less than dirty pool for productive debate.

 

[bluesneakers]

In all honesty. If this happened at Disneyland where a kid went under a turnstyle and jumped in front of an approaching roller coaster.

Then I wouldn't blame Disneyland. Jmo.

But I do understand what you mean in regards to why you stated it. We are all just conversating. Happy Saturday to all.

I think, JMO etc., Disney would cut the family a huge check and do their best to keep it quiet. Not that they could but they would want to make it go away quickly.

I'm wondering if the result of the criminal investigation will be charges against the zoo.

 

[bluesneakers]

"Cognitive Dissonance" is a psychological term for when you strongly believe something, and then evidence against what you believe is presented to you, and how hard you will work to disagree with that information. Classically, a wife presented with nearly irrefutable evidence that her husband is cheating on her will do mental gymnastics to reframe that information in a way that she still doesn't accept he's cheating on her.

The more important the belief is to you, and the more you've had to invest in that belief, the more uncomfortable you will become when evidence is presented that you're wrong.

That's cognitive dissonance.

Right. People get evidence showing farm, zoo, and circus animals are abused and tortured but ignore it or happily eat their bacon. Ask them to eat a dog or torture a cat? No way. That takes some mental gymnastics.

 

[drjones]

according to what has been reported, the investigation did not consider the zoo's actions. only the actions of the boy and mother.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Because we have to in order to pretend it can't happen to us. JMO

Lol. Agree. In some countries; This was an accident. Lol

But in America. This was something that should pay millions to compensate the child while charging zoo goers $50 for a cup of water in order to make back money. Lol.

 

[KaaBoom]

In all honesty. If this happened at Disneyland where a kid went under a turnstyle and jumped in front of an approaching roller coaster.

Then I wouldn't blame Disneyland. Jmo.

But I do understand what you mean in regards to why you stated it. We are all just conversating. Happy Saturday to all.

But there is no way a kid is going to be able to jump in front of a roller coaster at Disneyland. Disney just doesn’t allow that type of thing to happen. Even with hundreds of millions of visitors to Disneyland a kid has never gone under a turnstile and been hit by a roller coaster. So it’s really not that hard to prevent that type of thing.

 

[bluesneakers]

But there is no way a kid is going to be able to jump in front of a roller coaster at Disneyland. Disney just doesn’t allow that type of thing to happen. Even with hundreds of millions of visitors to Disneyland a kid has never gone under a turnstile and been hit by a roller coaster. So it’s really not that hard to prevent that type of thing.

But all kinds of crazy stuff does go on at Disneyland and Disney World...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidents_at_Disneyland_Resort

What's up with people committing suicide at the happiest place on earth?

 

[JeannaT]

But there is no way a kid is going to be able to jump in front of a roller coaster at Disneyland. Disney just doesn’t allow that type of thing to happen. Even with hundreds of millions of visitors to Disneyland a kid has never gone under a turnstile and been hit by a roller coaster. So it’s really not that hard to prevent that type of thing.

Do you really not see the difference between a zoo and Disneyland?

At a zoo, people pass by exhibits and need to feel that they "communed" with the animal. They need to feel they observed an animal in an almost wild habitat. They will NOT be allowed to touch it.

At Disneyland, kids are lined up and when your turn comes, you get on the ride. Stay way back over there, until your turn comes, and you can get on the ride, but you will not be allowed to "cut" in line at any time in front of other patrons who are also riding the ride.

You are not expected to be satisfied with walking past the ride, and getting a good glimpse of it. You will ride the ride, but not until you are allowed by Disney saff.

The difference in the zoo experience, and the Disney experience is night and day.

 

[DexterMorgan]

For everyone that mentions the poor mistreated animals.

Please remember the poor mistreated Humans every time you shop online or at Walmart for the best deal.

Jmo. Advocate for the old lady getting paid $1 hr to help make products that save you a bargain while you are having fun catching these low prices on certain things. Jmo.

Or the next time you eat fruit. Start advocating about how the workers on these agricultural farms are under payed and treated. Jmo

 

[KaaBoom]

But all kinds of crazy stuff does go on at Disneyland and Disney World...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidents_at_Disneyland_Resort

What's up with people committing suicide at the happiest place on earth?

I believe the 1998 sailing ship accident and the 2003 Big Thunder Mountain train accident are the only two visitor deaths that Disneyland has even remotely been liable for. Any other deaths have been to trespassers, guests deliberately circumventing safety equipment, or committing suicide, and that is out of 650 million visitors. I’m pretty sure Disney’s safety record is better then that of most zoos.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I believe the 1998 sailing ship accident and the 2003 Big Thunder Mountain train accident are the only two visitor deaths that Disneyland has even remotely been liable for. Any other deaths have been to trespassers, guests deliberately circumventing safety equipment, or committing suicide, and that is out of 650 million visitors. I’m pretty sure Disney’s safety record is better then that of most zoos.

No it's not. The only difference is the kids at Disneyland aren't jumping over barriers to get to things.

But hold up.

Every year 500 kids acidentally shoots someone or themselves with a parents gun.

But should you be compromised by the penalties of this when you know that you are a responsible gun owner.

Or should they just hold the family responsible and not the entire legal gun rights holders. Jmo

 

[bluesneakers]

No it's not. The only difference is the kids at Disneyland aren't jumping over barriers to get to things.

But hold up.

Every year 500 kids acidentally shoots someone or themselves with a parents gun.

But should you be compromised by the penalties of this when you know that you are a responsible gun owner.

Or should they just hold the family responsible and not the entire legal gun rights holders. Jmo

I've seen those cases go both ways. Sometimes the parents pay or are punished, and sometimes everyone just shrugs like "Oh well, what are ya gonna do?" (I have no idea what the percentages are or how the officials decide. It usually leaves me angry and baffled.)

Personally in those cases I hold the owners responsible. If your four-year-old shoots himself with the gun you left loaded and unlocked, it's your fault. To compare it to this though - the mother wasn't in charge of the zoo or the enclosure. It's not the same as leaving a gun somewhere a kid could get to it. Also guns kill and we know it but kids are rarely killed at zoos.

JMO

 

[sonjay]

But there is no way a kid is going to be able to jump in front of a roller coaster at Disneyland. Disney just doesn’t allow that type of thing to happen. Even with hundreds of millions of visitors to Disneyland a kid has never gone under a turnstile and been hit by a roller coaster. So it’s really not that hard to prevent that type of thing.

A few of the incidents reported at WDW:

a nine-year-old boy was crushed to death by a Disney transportation bus

a 69-year-old man died after stepping in front of a moving Disney transportation bus

five guests and one cast member were injured when an emergency exit platform malfunctioned

a 63-year-old employee died from a brain injury sustained four days earlier when she was hit by a ride vehicle after falling from a restricted area of the ride platform

a 52-year-old employee sustained head injuries while working on the ride

a 61-year-old woman from Celebration, Florida, suffered a collapsed lung, fractured ribs, and back pain due to a boating accident near the Treehouse Villas

a 5-year-old boy was seriously injured after exiting a ride car at Spaceship Earth. He was treated for an open compound fracture


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incidents_at_Walt_Disney_World

 

[sonjay]

I believe the 1998 sailing ship accident and the 2003 Big Thunder Mountain train accident are the only two visitor deaths that Disneyland has even remotely been liable for. Any other deaths have been to trespassers, guests deliberately circumventing safety equipment, or committing suicide, and that is out of 650 million visitors. I’m pretty sure Disney’s safety record is better then that of most zoos.

BBM. Yeah, that. Including almost all incidents at zoos as well as at Disney.

 

[DexterMorgan]

I've seen those cases go both ways. Sometimes the parents pay or are punished, and sometimes everyone just shrugs like "Oh well, what are ya gonna do?" (I have no idea what the percentages are or how the officials decide. It usually leaves me angry and baffled.)

Personally in those cases I hold the owners responsible. If your four-year-old shoots himself with the gun you left loaded and unlocked, it's your fault. To compare it to this though - the mother wasn't in charge of the zoo or the enclosure. It's not the same as leaving a gun somewhere a kid could get to it. Also guns kill and we know it but kids are rarely killed at zoos.

JMO

Okay. But hold up

The Gorilla is a loaded gun that was tucked away and not bothering no one.

Now the child seen the gun and wanted it. But mom knew this and didn't escort her kids from the gun that was right there. Jmo

Mom knew the intentions and seen the absent barriers. But mom chalked it up to it would be the zoos fault. Jmo.

So if a 3 year old seen the open possibility. Then why not mom.

 

[sonjay]

TWO six-foot fences didn't stop this idiot:

A teenager was decapitated by a roller coaster after he hopped a pair of fences and entered a restricted area at Six Flags Over Georgia

http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/06/29/teen-decapitated-by-batman-ride-at-georgia-six-flags.html

How many fences is enough? How high is high enough?