Cindy is still looking for Caylee?

[Oakley]

I must apologize to everyone on this board. :blushing: After Friday's hearing, everyone was saying Cindy said she believes Caylee is alive. I mistakenly thought she said she was thinking so at that time, the night of the 911 calls. I said this in another thread. I was able to playback that part of her testimony last night, and everyone is correct, she DID say she still believes Caylee is alive, and then scrunched up her mouth in the strangest, ugliest way I've never seen her do before. How did I miss that the first time I watched??? Body language experts must have had a field day with her scrunched up lips.

Turns out, I was having trouble with "buffering" during that time. I even missed Lee's "I love you" and LDB's comment saying she assumed he wasn't talking to her. :wink:

Just want to say, it's always eye-opening to re-watch this type of stuff. One can miss a lot the first time around! :blushing:

Just found Dr. Glass' take on the whole thing, thanks to someone else's link. Dr. Glass didn't miss Cindy's mouth trick - she said it lasted 10 seconds! Great catch, Dr. G. :clap:

My goodness, you don't need to apologize. We're all just trying to hash this thing out together. But since you brought it up, I'm the one with egg on my face since immediately after the hearing I was so sure of Cindy's sincerity and good intentions on the stand. Most times I am able to detect BS but on occasion, I do get snookered. :blushing:

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

CA has never "looked" for Caylee, ever!

She demanded everyone else do this for her. She first stated she would knock on every door, look in every knook and cranny...the only time that truly matters to me, is the time she sent her PI to "walk the woods" and again, it wasn't her who was doing the actual looking...only proves to me, she knew long before November, where Caylee was and they continued to use donations for CA saw $$$$$ and it made her head swirl! The love of money is the root of all evil, which is CA's driving force for she has spend much on ICA and Caylee...hell it's her that supported the four of them...JMHO

CA herself just blurted this out, to cause reasonable doubt. If she tries this at trial, the prosecutors will eat her alive. She can think Caylee is alive all she likes, it doesn't make it so...wishful thinking, maybe but it does nothing to help ICA, IMO...as a matter of fact, I feel it will backfire bigtime, if she states this when trial rolls around...JMHO

Justice for Caylee


ETA:

She would not provide an article of Caylee's when TM/TES requested one to look for Caylee...since they were looking for a deceased Caylee...she didn't do all she could to bring this child home. She too, allowed Caylee to lay in the elements for 6 months...JMHO

 

[LambChop]

CA has never "looked" for Caylee, ever!

She demanded everyone else do this for her. She first stated she would knock on every door, look in every knook and cranny...the only time that truly matters to me, is the time she sent her PI to "walk the woods" and again, it wasn't her who was doing the actual looking...only proves to me, she knew long before November, where Caylee was and they continued to use donations for CA saw $$$$$ and it made her head swirl! The love of money is the root of all evil, which is CA's driving force for she has spend much on ICA and Caylee...hell it's her that supported the four of them...JMHO

CA herself just blurted this out, to cause reasonable doubt. If she tries this at trial, the prosecutors will eat her alive. She can think Caylee is alive all she likes, it doesn't make it so...wishful thinking, maybe but it does nothing to help ICA, IMO...as a matter of fact, I feel it will backfire bigtime, if she states this when trial rolls around...JMHO

Justice for Caylee


ETA:

She would not provide an article of Caylee's when TM/TES requested one to look for Caylee...since they were looking for a deceased Caylee...she didn't do all she could to bring this child home. She too, allowed Caylee to lay in the elements for 6 months...JMHO

You know you may have a point here.....Why would anyone not give up a piece of clothing? Obviously if the child is still alive they will not find anything. What could it have possibly hurt to at least eliminate that possibility? Unless, unless you knew the child was already dead. Clearly CA knew. She spent time alone in the room with her daughter while she was out on bail. CA knew because she looked into her daughter's eyes and saw the truth. It could have been, i.e. "Let's do each other's hair, Mom." KC was too much into the happy-go-lucky, thank my lucky stars I'm out of jail mode.

I am now thinking that JL is hanging around them and going to court with them because the story is the A's not so much KC. The real story is the A's and their reactions, their lies, attempts at coverup that people would want to read. They are just making their contributions to a storyline. The real story is how much they knew and how far they were willing to go to coverup. This is JMO.

 

[Chiquita71]

It does boggle the mind. But if we keep in mind what we know of CA and her antics, she is either:

1) Going to claim conspiracy and frame up all the way to the FBI's DNA profiling.

2) She is deliberately trying to appear mentally unfit. To either avoid being on the stand or to help KC w/ a not of sound mind case.

I know it sounds crazy, but these people drive me to it---thinking this could be possible. Who does this sort of thing?

Quote Respect The Eunice Burns

I quoted this post because(as usual), Websleuthers had this called a while ago....

What blows my mind(ETA: All the Anthony behavior "blows my mind") is Cindy bringing into question the FBI. I did not hear this myself. Can someone send me in the right direction? TIA.

Is she going to say what the FBI statements say, she did not say?

...js...

 

[USARDOG]

CA is capable of believing anything she cares to believe, and in return she likes those around her to also believe as she believes. They live in a construct of their own illusions, something we all do to an extent, however, CA and company have raised this to an art form.

 

[Angel Lady]

Does anyone have a link for Dr. Glass's site? re: Cindy's scrunched up face

 

[Snaz]

Does anyone have a link for Dr. Glass's site? re: Cindy's scrunched up face

Here you go...

http://drlillianglass.com/body-lang...urtroom-says-she-believes-caylee-still-alive/

 

[Angel Lady]

thanks Snaz..it was a good article

 

[ThinkTank]

Quote Respect The Eunice Burns

I quoted this post because(as usual), Websleuthers had this called a while ago....

What blows my mind(ETA: All the Anthony behavior "blows my mind") is Cindy bringing into question the FBI. I did not hear this myself. Can someone send me in the right direction? TIA.

Is she going to say what the FBI statements say, she did not say?

...js...

Part 4
http://www.wftv.com/video/24273074/index.html
24:56minutes into video - Cindy says there is a lot of missing pieces, paragraphs in transcript with Scott Bolin FBI - that is not in perfect context

LDBurdick had asked Cindy if her statements to the FBI were that Cindy knew that the car had something to do with Caylee not being here. This is what Cindy told the FBI two weeks after she made the 3rd 911 call. Cindy told the FBI - the car had something to do with Caylee not being here - that's why I said smelled like dead body in damn car.
That's when Cindy said there were missing paragraphs in her transcript of the FBI interview - and it was not in perfect context of what Cindy actually said to the FBI.
Then LDBurdick ended her questioning of Cindy.

JB tried to twist Cindy's words to the FBI and tried to get Cindy to say, on the witness stand, under oath, that the reason Cindy said the car had something to do with Caylee not being here, was because Cindy found Caylee's things in the car -- her backpack, a diaper, toothbrushes, her mama doll, her carseat -- but no Caylee (not that the car smelled like a dead body and there was no Caylee).

 

[Solace]

Here you go...

http://drlillianglass.com/body-lang...urtroom-says-she-believes-caylee-still-alive/

I have to disagree with part of her analysis. Casey absolutely cried when her brother told her he loved her. Her eyes were red and she showed real emotion albeit short. She was back in shape in a very short time. But her reaction to his telling her he loves her was in my opinion real. She is a sociopath but she at that moment, I believe felt the emotion that somebody cared about her and it made her break down. Especially the person who she has been denigrating in her letters.

She is a sociopath and I believe if the circumstances fit, she would kill again. No doubt in my mind. But I do believe she cried at that moment. On the other hand, I have seen her use the tears ad nauseum, wiping each side some ten and fifteen times until you thought her skin was going to be wiped away and this was most definitely for effect and so was her using the kleenex again this time. She felt for a minute and it was all about her (somebody cares about me at that moment in time) and then it was over.

MY opinion anyway.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I have to disagree with part of her analysis. Casey absolutely cried when her brother told her he loved her. Her eyes were red and she showed real emotion albeit short. She was back in shape in a very short time. But her reaction to his telling her he loves her was in my opinion real. She is a sociopath but she at that moment, I believe felt the emotion that somebody cared about her and it made her break down. Especially the person who she has been denigrating in her letters.

She is a sociopath and I believe if the circumstances fit, she would kill again. No doubt in my mind. But I do believe she cried at that moment. On the other hand, I have seen her use the tears ad nauseum, wiping each side some ten and fifteen times until you thought her skin was going to be wiped away and this was most definitely for effect and so was her using the kleenex again this time. She felt for a minute and it was all about her (somebody cares about me at that moment in time) and then it was over.

MY opinion anyway.

I saw her eyes well up with tears, but my reaction was that it was from guilt and a smidgeon of shame...?

 

[Solace]

I saw her eyes well up with tears, but my reaction was that it was from guilt and a smidgeon of shame...?

Possibly that too Zsa Zsa. Did not last long, but she knows she accused him of the worst possible thing and he still said he loved her so for one brief moment she experienced something.

George on the other hand looks miserable and he does not want to be there. I cannot see him keeping this sham up. He knows (or I believe he does) that Casey killed Caylee and he is willing to stand by her for Cindy's sake but now Casey accuses him of the worst possible thing - sexual abuse and Cindy still expects him to stand by her. It is a lot to ask anyone to do. Anyone.

I don't know how long he will last standing by her. I think there will be days he will not be present.

And lets not forget, psychologists really did not pinpoint this "disorder" until recently and by that I mean the last 30 to 40 years. And I may be wrong about that amount of time - my point is that to say a sociopath has no feelings at all may be a mistake because obviouslyl Casey feels hate and anger and as she just proved some kind of emotion - whether it be shame or guilt or sadness for herself - she felt something. So there is a lot more to this disorder than is known RIGHT NOW.

I recently read a paper by a psychiatrist who said he believes that sociopaths when they perceive emotion it is "fragmented" and they do not know how to react to it. e.g. one sees their tiny daughter or thinks about her and a smile comes to the parents face. The sociopath does not have emotion when seeing a loved one or thinking about a loved one because that emotion is fragmented when perceived by the brain. It is an interesting concept because it is also one of the most bizarre disorders since the sociopath, as opposed to the psychopath, does not plan and will do things to their own detriment. e.g. lying to the police and going to Universal and having to say upon getting their, I lied.

 

[LambChop]

So does KC just process what she feels, or wants to feel. So no guilt because she chooses not to feel that. Because Lee was speaking to her about how he feels even after what she has said, it upset her. BUT....not for long. She will continue to line them up at the bus stop. I believe CA is next in line.

I think GA needs some help and I hope the church he belongs to his helping him in some way. CA knows what she is saying and it's deliberate. Very transparent, indeed. jmo

 

[Solace]

So does KC just process what she feels, or wants to feel. So no guilt because she chooses not to feel that. Because Lee was speaking to her about how he feels even after what she has said, it upset her. BUT....not for long. She will continue to line them up at the bus stop. I believe CA is next in line.

I think GA needs some help and I hope the church he belongs to his helping him in some way. CA knows what she is saying and it's deliberate. Very transparent, indeed. jmo

The whole family needs some help. Casey could care less about any of them and that is why it is easy for her to implicate Lee and George in sexual abuse. IMO -

She does not think ten minutes ahead - it is whatever she wants and needs at the moment. It is going to get a lot worse and not just for George but for Cindy.

Personally, I think Cindy is somewhat sociopathic also. Rather than admit that Casey did this, and feel what comes next - that she is responsible for Casey not being taken care of at a very young age - she would rather indulge the WHOLE family in lies. Sounds sociopathic to me.

 

[Oakley]

You know you may have a point here.....Why would anyone not give up a piece of clothing? Obviously if the child is still alive they will not find anything. What could it have possibly hurt to at least eliminate that possibility? Unless, unless you knew the child was already dead. Clearly CA knew. She spent time alone in the room with her daughter while she was out on bail. CA knew because she looked into her daughter's eyes and saw the truth. It could have been, i.e. "Let's do each other's hair, Mom." KC was too much into the happy-go-lucky, thank my lucky stars I'm out of jail mode.

I am now thinking that JL is hanging around them and going to court with them because the story is the A's not so much KC. The real story is the A's and their reactions, their lies, attempts at coverup that people would want to read. They are just making their contributions to a storyline. The real story is how much they knew and how far they were willing to go to coverup. This is JMO.

That would be just awesome. Now I would definitely buy THAT book or see that movie. If the Anthony's were to benefit from it financially, not so much. But I suppose they still would, they just wouldn't be too happy about their 'image' being portrayed in that fashion.

 

[Oakley]

Possibly that too Zsa Zsa. Did not last long, but she knows she accused him of the worst possible thing and he still said he loved her so for one brief moment she experienced something.

George on the other hand looks miserable and he does not want to be there. I cannot see him keeping this sham up. He knows (or I believe he does) that Casey killed Caylee and he is willing to stand by her for Cindy's sake but now Casey accuses him of the worst possible thing - sexual abuse and Cindy still expects him to stand by her. It is a lot to ask anyone to do. Anyone.

I don't know how long he will last standing by her. I think there will be days he will not be present.

And lets not forget, psychologists really did not pinpoint this "disorder" until recently and by that I mean the last 30 to 40 years. And I may be wrong about that amount of time - my point is that to say a sociopath has no feelings at all may be a mistake because obviouslyl Casey feels hate and anger and as she just proved some kind of emotion - whether it be shame or guilt or sadness for herself - she felt something. So there is a lot more to this disorder than is known RIGHT NOW.

I recently read a paper by a psychiatrist who said he believes that sociopaths when they perceive emotion it is "fragmented" and they do not know how to react to it. e.g. one sees their tiny daughter or thinks about her and a smile comes to the parents face. The sociopath does not have emotion when seeing a loved one or thinking about a loved one because that emotion is fragmented when perceived by the brain. It is an interesting concept because it is also one of the most bizarre disorders since the sociopath, as opposed to the psychopath, does not plan and will do things to their own detriment. e.g. lying to the police and going to Universal and having to say upon getting their, I lied.

Very interesting, Solace. I was under the impression that a sociopath was just an updated label for a psychopath (as Bipolar is now what was once manic depressive.) I googled sociopath vs psychopath and came up with an interesting article explaining the differences:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1013712/sociopath_vs_psychopath_there_is_a.html?cat=72

From the article:

A sociopath is one who is affected with a personality disorder marked by antisocial behavior. A psychopath is a person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse. The two might sound the same to some, however the differences between sociopaths and psychopaths are very real.


The article then outlines the characteristics of each disorder. A good read.

 

[Baznme]

The whole family needs some help. Casey could care less about any of them and that is why it is easy for her to implicate Lee and George in sexual abuse. IMO -

She does not think ten minutes ahead - it is whatever she wants and needs at the moment. It is going to get a lot worse and not just for George but for Cindy.

Personally, I think Cindy is somewhat sociopathic also. Rather than admit that Casey did this, and feel what comes next - that she is responsible for Casey not being taken care of at a very young age - she would rather indulge the WHOLE family in lies. Sounds sociopathic to me.

JMO of course but I believe her statement "she believes Caylee is still alive" is nothing more than a saving grace statement to offset "it smells like there's been a dead body in the da*n car". Her way of alleviating the guilt after having made her original statement and KC ending up in jail. I feel SHE thinks KC blames her statement for where she is. Does this make any sense?

 

[Solace]

Very interesting, Solace. I was under the impression that a sociopath was just an updated label for a psychopath (as Bipolar is now what was once manic depressive.) I googled sociopath vs psychopath and came up with an interesting article explaining the differences:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1013712/sociopath_vs_psychopath_there_is_a.html?cat=72

From the article:

A sociopath is one who is affected with a personality disorder marked by antisocial behavior. A psychopath is a person with an antisocial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse. The two might sound the same to some, however the differences between sociopaths and psychopaths are very real.


The article then outlines the characteristics of each disorder. A good read.

Thank you for that - good read. Sociopaths do not plan (as we see with Casey e.g. her answers to police working at Universal, etc.) and will lie to their own detriment. Psychopaths do plan e.g. Ted Bundy planned in detail.

 

[Solace]

JMO of course but I believe her statement "she believes Caylee is still alive" is nothing more than a saving grace statement to offset "it smells like there's been a dead body in the da*n car". Her way of alleviating the guilt after having made her original statement and KC ending up in jail. I feel SHE thinks KC blames her statement for where she is. Does this make any sense?

Absolutely. She is trying to save her daughter and LETS NOT FORGET she does not want to admit that her daughter did this because it leads back to her not taking care of Casey's lying. She knows she should have taken care of this when Casey was little, who was probably adorable, being tiny and very pretty, and she got away with a lot - and in the end, it destroyed the family.

Psychiatrists and psychologists bellieve that a sociopath can be helped AT AN EARLY AGE. But it has to be when they are young. Obviously, Cindy and George, especially Cindy, did not address any of the lying except once in a while and let her lie to them for two years about working when she was in full swing. Cindy knew that she was not working. George told her and Cindy said let me handle it. You are just going to make her mad. She did not want Casey to take away Caylee, which apparently Casey had been threatening for some time. And that is how she got away with everything.

I mean George is asking her about the gas cans and she says I talked to Mom, she knows. If you notice this is the answer she gives to her parents all the time. And they accept it.

When I first saw the visitation tapes, I was so blown away by the bs that they were swallowing in order to get her to speak that I stared at the monitor in shock because it was something they had all discussed and I can see Lee saying don't upset or just be nice. I believe and I think I am right, that they could have gotten the information out of her before they ever called the police if they had put it to her in the right way and by that I mean - one more lie and you will be lucky if you make it through the night. (Just a hypothetical).

I also believe that Casey got away with so much bs in that family that she probably thought I can get away with this. Just let me stay away from the house for a while and I can get my parents and brother to believe that Caylee was kidnapped. Also, I will just leave my purse in the car and maybe someone will steal it, and that will implicate them in the kidnapping. I have this covered - my parents believe the crap coming out of my mouth for years, why not now and they will back me up with the police. i will be fine.

 

[Lexington]

Cindy threw in her statement that she believes that Caylee is still alive as an attention seeking maneuver. She had behaved so well throughout her questioning that she just had to do or say something that would raise eyebrows. I guess it wouldn't harm the donation efforts of the foundation or kidfinders either if the ill-informed were still sending $$$ in the search for an alive Caylee.