Cindy's Coworkers @ Gentiva

[passionflower]

are grandparents responsible for a child when child lives under grandparents roof? NO not if mom is adult and living there also.........

 

[april_showers]

However... in November, when their separate statements were taken, Caylee had not been discovered yet, so no need to corroborate stories if that's what you're suggesting.

that's not what i'm suggesting at all.

i'm not sure how to explain what i'm saying without retyping my post , but it's just how the human brain works. our memories, thoughts and perceptions are influenced by those around us, statements in the media, things we see and read and hear, etc. these coworkers were interviewed four months after the story broke. therefore, just by nature of human psychology alone, their responses are no longer top-of-mind recollections of what occured.

 

[whiteangora]

And if you have a package that doesn't fit in the box do you have to go and pick it up at the distribution center if you miss him, or does he leave that on your doorstep.

He brings my packages to the door, knocks loudly and sets it by the door.

 

[Never4GetCaylee]

money and care of Caylee is what the family fought about

putting baby asleep with medication.........
neck breaking shovels..........

IMO. why would anyone look up shovels????

I've always wondered about the shovel search too? Why do you have to look up shovel? It's a shovel, pretty self explanitory.

 

[Who_What_When]

I also know that I would call 911 immediately. Most people with a consciensce have been raised that that is the proper thing to do...:bang:

I guess this is suggesting that I don't have a conscience. Wow, here I thought we were allowed to express our opinions. My whole point of my post that has gone completely off track was that some co-workers LOVE to gossip. I've worked for small companies and huge corporations with reputable people and have never come across someone who didn't like to gossip or exaggerate a situation.

 

[Who_What_When]

backtracking for a second here...

when I read all of these docs yesterday, it was pretty huge to me that all these coworkers gave such similar accounts. However, at that time I was so excited to read everything, I’d failed to notice these interviews took place in November (thanks everyone who pointed that out!). I’m not trying to beat a dead horse, but that is an important factor to take into account. As Who What When suggests – these (most likely) very gossipy co-workers have had adequate chance to compare stories, read all the blogs, watch the news, etc. Most of us spend hours a day gossiping about (or, more officially, “discussing”) this case. Can you imagine if any of us worked with Cindy?? I’d NEVER get anything else done J

this, combined with the fact that these docs are Yuri’s summaries of what he considers to be important details, and not actual transcripts of the interviews, makes me want to stress how much they need to be taken with a grain of salt.

I’m not saying they have no validity (and I think the fact that Cindy went back to work and had to be coerced to leave after finding the car is a HUGE detail…), but I do think these interviews should be viewed more as a collective ‘office impression’ and not individual accounts that support one another.

I can just picture how these interviews went…

“Oh yeah, I always noticed how stressed Cindy was about the baby. I totally suggested she do something about it.”
“Yeah, it was so obvious to all of us that Casey was pregnant. I can’t believe Cindy didn’t pick up on that!!”
“We always thought all her stories were strange. It’s so hard to believe Cindy fell for all of Casey’s lies…”


Again, I think there is some good info to be gleaned from these conversations, but I’m just looking at them through the eyes of someone quite familiar with both groupthink tendencies and typical water cooler behavior J

It kind of reminds me of how coworkers will distance themselves from a colleague after they get fired. “I always though Sally did a bad job.” “Plus, we all thought she was kind of weird.” “Yeah, did you ever notice how she’d take the last cup of coffee and not make more?” “She was SO obnoxious!!” etc.


Just my two cents…

Thank you April Showers! This is all I meant.

 

[countzero]

If CA really wanted custody, she could have pressed charges for KC using GP bank account . It would be a lot easier to get emergency custody with KC behind bars.

When my daughter was sentenced to jail, she was told pre-trial to either pay her bills prior or to authorize someone to pay them for her. As far as custody, the courts would not give temporary custody to anyone since her children were being cared for by family members. She was told to give permission slips to anyone to authorize emergency treatment should it be necessary.

It can be very expense to get custody of a non-biological minor. Costs can range over 10K. Social services gets involved, the party filing for custody has to get witnesses, professionals to testify as well as overcoming the parameters of the law. Which are very difficult to overcome and time consuming. Non-emergency court dates can be up to six weeks away from the date of the filing depending on the courts calendar.

From CA's statements to her co-workers, I don't feel she really wanted custody full time. She wanted KC to mother and her (CA's) role would be when she wanted Caylee time. Not for KC to dictate when CA played the role.

 

[Gypsy Road]

I am in a subdivision neighborhood, not in Florida. First note is on the door since they attempt to get your signature. Reminder notices are in the box. They leave 3 or 4 notices that have numbers on them, there would be no question you had ample warning it was there.

Same mailman leaves oversized packages that don't fit in the box on my doorstep.

I do live in Florida....and same thing here, the mailman comes to the door first time, then leaves reminders in the box. He also leaves over sized packages on our doorstep if we aren't home.

 

[Gypsy Road]

However... in November, when their separate statements were taken, Caylee had not been discovered yet, so no need to corroborate stories if that's what you're suggesting.

Exactly!

 

[april_showers]

Thank you April Showers! This is all I meant.

sometimes a lot of things get lost or misunderstood in here so I wanted to back up what you were saying. the fact that these employees' memories were mixed with media reports, other's people's accounts etc. is fact. As is the fact that they are human, and obviously discussed all of this together. Any of our statments that they gossiped, clouded each other's judgment's, etc., aren't implying some sort of sinister corroboration or coverup. Nor do they intend to discredit the intergrity or truthfulness of Gentiva employees.

However the fact remains that these employees daily conversations about the case, for months before they were interviewed, definitely would impact what they said in those interviews.

 

[tx_Dot]

However... in November, when their separate statements were taken, Caylee had not been discovered yet, so no need to corroborate stories if that's what you're suggesting.

Also interesting that by Nov. when the co-workers were interviewed, Yuri simply took notes....

So, I'm thinking their statements won't be brought up a trial, & really arn't too important.

 

[Steely Dan]

I've always wondered about the shovel search too? Why do you have to look up shovel? It's a shovel, pretty self explanitory.

Unless you're looking for one that's easily disposable. Just a thought.

 

[SuziQ]

I'm thinking that the late interviews with the co-workers have more to do with what Cindy knew, and when she knew it than what Casey did. Afterall, Casey had already been charged with Murder in October. IIRC, the first rumblings of an OJ investigation started around Thanksgiving.

 

[mitzi]

maybe they just didnt have the money to get the car out. Casey had cost them enough already.

Or maybe they (CA/GA) were just waiting to go get the car, until the 31 days was up...just sayin'. (ie. to go along with their own script)

 

[ThoughtFox]

I'm thinking that the late interviews with the co-workers have more to do with what Cindy knew, and when she knew it than what Casey did. Afterall, Casey had already been charged with Murder in October. IIRC, the first rumblings of an OJ investigation started around Thanksgiving.

That's exactly what I think, too. I think they wanted to know if Cindy was really out of the loop about what Casey was doing up until Caylee disappeared, and from reading these documents, it's obvious that she was.

I was struck by several things in their statements:

Casey often came by the office and left Caylee as if she was going off to work and needed Cindy to babysit. They said it happened at least once a week, and Casey wore some sort of ID tag around her neck. The co-workers have no reason to lie about that.

All of them mentioned that they thought Casey's stories were "strange" and wondered why Cindy believed it.

They all had to convince Cindy to get out of her denial, find the car, and try to find out where Caylee was. Even then, Cindy wasn't sure whether to call the police.

I got the impression the co-workers were mainly concerned for Caylee, and they thought Cindy needed to confront Casey sooner rather than later.

 

[tx_Dot]

That's exactly what I think, too. I think they wanted to know if Cindy was really out of the loop about what Casey was doing up until Caylee disappeared, and from reading these documents, it's obvious that she was.

I was struck by several things in their statements:

Casey often came by the office and left Caylee as if she was going off to work and needed Cindy to babysit. They said it happened at least once a week, and Casey wore some sort of ID tag around her neck. The co-workers have no reason to lie about that.

All of them mentioned that they thought Casey's stories were "strange" and wondered why Cindy believed it.

They all had to convince Cindy to get out of her denial, find the car, and try to find out where Caylee was. Even then, Cindy wasn't sure whether to call the police.

I got the impression the co-workers were mainly concerned for Caylee, and they thought Cindy needed to confront Casey sooner rather than later.

my bold....

I can see where it takes Cindy time to decide what to do.....

First she has to sort thru the last month of KC's lies, wondering exactly what to tell LE........KC hadn't really stole the car, CA had already covered the forged check (g-gps) & CA didn't even have an address to send cops to.

Keep in mind KC was very good @ keeping friends & family separate, CA got very lucky when she found Amy's phone number in the car later.....

CA prolly ended up finding KC a lot faster than LE would of....

 

[april_showers]

That's exactly what I think, too. I think they wanted to know if Cindy was really out of the loop about what Casey was doing up until Caylee disappeared, and from reading these documents, it's obvious that she was.

I was struck by several things in their statements:

Casey often came by the office and left Caylee as if she was going off to work and needed Cindy to babysit. They said it happened at least once a week, and Casey wore some sort of ID tag around her neck. The co-workers have no reason to lie about that.

All of them mentioned that they thought Casey's stories were "strange" and wondered why Cindy believed it.

They all had to convince Cindy to get out of her denial, find the car, and try to find out where Caylee was. Even then, Cindy wasn't sure whether to call the police.

I got the impression the co-workers were mainly concerned for Caylee, and they thought Cindy needed to confront Casey sooner rather than later.

What stuck in my head after reading these was KC dropping off Caylee as well. I can just picture her all dressed up in some "Business Wear by Target" ensemble: striped pants, collared shirt, some old ID lanyard from 2004 displayed proudly around her neck... Then she'd drop Caylee with Cindy, head to Amy and Ricardo's, or wherever, and pretend she'd just finished work for the day (most likely complete with stories about how Juliet showed up late again and how exhausting things are when Cheryl does a lousy job of planning...).

I know others have mused this before, but seriously - with the amount of effort this girl put into pretending, it would have been far easier to just go out a get a job!

 

[ThoughtFox]

What stuck in my head after reading these was KC dropping off Caylee as well. I can just picture her all dressed up in some "Business Wear by Target" ensemble: striped pants, collared shirt, some old ID lanyard from 2004 displayed proudly around her neck... Then she'd drop Caylee with Cindy, head to Amy and Ricardo's, or wherever, and pretend she'd just finished work for the day (most likely complete with stories about how Juliet showed up late again and how exhausting things are when Cheryl does a lousy job of planning...).

I know others have mused this before, but seriously - with the amount of effort this girl put into pretending, it would have been far easier to just go out a get a job!

Honestly - the extent of the lying is extraordinary!

can see where it takes Cindy time to decide what to do.....

First she has to sort thru the last month of KC's lies, wondering exactly what to tell LE........KC hadn't really stole the car, CA had already covered the forged check (g-gps) & CA didn't even have an address to send cops to.

Keep in mind KC was very good @ keeping friends & family separate, CA got very lucky when she found Amy's phone number in the car later.....

I agree - I can see why Cindy was confused and worried. She wanted to believe the best about Casey, and we know that Casey even fooled her friends who had known her for years.

Incredible sociopathic lying. One for the crime textbooks.

 

[Kreeblim]

I called my Postmaster and asked about this. He said any notice about registered or certified mail will be left in the mailbox. On the first day of delivery attempt of such mail, the mailman will come to your door and attempt to give you said mail and get your signature. If you do not answer your door the notice goes in the mailbox.

My sister is a manipulative b**ch sometimes too (though no where near as bad as Casey) and frankly she kept my mom from knowing alot of the s**t she was in by showing up around mail time when mom wasn't home.

I got the impression Casey was home on and off when her parents weren't. Stealing gas, food, God knows what else. How much you wanna bet the first place Casey went on each visit was the mailbox? She probably learned it in highschool when she swiped truancy notices just like my sister would.

 

[scrabble]

Anyone know if Cindy A. is back at work at Gentiva Health Services and if George found work? Also, I wonder if George is still at the site of where Haleigh Cummings' went missing. I know I read that at the time the little girl went missing, George was there to support Ron C.