Cindy's (draft?) email to Casey--computer forensics report

[Just Jayla]

Very Interesting! I've never been to Florida and don't know the topography, and from what you've described, a thinking, logical person with the intent to conceal a body, would opt for that area you describe outside of Orlando.

I think anyone but Casey would have made the decision to find that secluded area far from the Anthony home as the site of disposing of a body. That's why I can't see Casey having any help in the disposal of Caylee's remains, because anyone else would have chosen a place far away and off the beaten path.

And the biology! Those swamps and fields are full of ....gators and wild boar...and other predators/scavengers that would be helpful when trying to completely dispose of a body.
(I am not going to write Caylee's body, cause that thought seems awful).

ETA-Sorry for the way OT!!!!

 

[Spangle]

My husband is a retired fireman, and in comparing the job of a police officer to a fireman, he says "people thank a fireman for putting out a fire or saving their life, but no one thanks police officers for giving them a ticket or arresting them."

Firefighting is a dangerous job, but sadly, now days I think more police officers are killed in the line of duty than firemen.

I'm not so sure. There are more police officers today, If the % of harmed or killed in the line of duty stayed the same, the numbers reported would be higher.. Also, we have a quick, national media, so we don't just hear about the local incidents.

 

[denjet]

Yes, it is normal, but maybe GA needed to take extraornidary precautions....is GA not a very reliable worker? Did he often skip out on work and make random side trips, telling his bosses that he ran into "traffic"....was GA a serial shirker?

Bingo! That's the first thing I thought ... George didn't want his previous employer contacted because he wouldn't get a good recommendation ... and who knows what was in his employee file ... instead he took the risk of coming across as an unemployed slacker so I'm thinking there was something pretty incriminating he wanted to hide ... JMO

 

[denjet]

Do you remember the very odd George Anthony storming into Nejame's press conference when he and Tim were showing the areal photos of the area being under water? Afterwards Mark said something that has haunted me, something to the effect of Baez sent pop over there with some misinformation, we have all talked, and pop is now assured that no one has been down there by the remains ( paraphrasing). I know that Mark has mentioned he had a informed idea of exactly what had happened to Caylee, he being in the middle of the storm for so long as the Anthony attorney. When he said this, it stopped me dead in my tracks. I remember thinking Mark just slipped up and eluded to mom and pop having knowledge that indeed Caylee was down there. How else would they have had a concern that someone had been down there messing with the remains. What did you make of that? Was Cindy with him?

Orlando Defense Attorney Mark NeJame in the News - 2009
Casey Anthony Case: Casey Anthony's Father Barges into News Conference (With Video) ... George Anthony spoke to attorney Mark NeJame behind closed doors for ...
www.nejamelaw.com/mark-nejame-in-the-news-2009.htm - Cached - Similar

(scroll down about half way on page , then once on exact page watch video)

Yes, I remember but forgot about Mark being the Ants' lawyer and dropping them when Dominic was looking in the woods ... I think you're spot on about George's abruptness at that press conference ... perhaps Baez told him to get down there and make sure Nejame does not divulge any of your attorney/client conversations, etc. ... it probably had nothing much to do with the water levels and more to do with the Ants' activity in that area and Nejame's knowledge of it ...

 

[Just Jayla]

Yes, I remember but forgot about Mark being the Ants' lawyer and dropping them when Dominic was looking in the woods ... I think you're spot on about George's abruptness at that press conference ... perhaps Baez told him to get down there and make sure Nejame does not divulge any of your attorney/client conversations, etc. ... it probably had nothing much to do with the water levels and more to do with the Ants' activity in that area and Nejame's knowledge of it ...

Yes, either Baez, or....this may have been another attempt by GA to get the "antagonists" (ie., police, media, NeJame) behind closed doors so that he could explain that CA is a lunatic before they announce something that CA may have done in the lunatic department. Damage control, if you will.

GA thought the things he told LE about CA would stay in the interrogation room...maybe he thought if he talked to MNJ about how he was trying to get CA and the situation under control, MNJ would "back off" and would not tell the public all of the whacked out things that were said in that family.

Unlike what GA said in his LE interview, the things divulged to MNJ were privileged, so GA comes out looking crazy once again for trying to get MNJ to not tell about things he could not tell about anyway.

 

[mobius99]

Through some excellent sleuthing earlier in this thread, we determined that Cindy drafted the following message to Casey in the late evening of July 14--the night before G&C picked up the car, tracked down Casey, and called the police. At the time she's drafting this message, Cindy believes Casey is in Jacksonville, but her excuses are wearing thin:

From context, it appears that Cindy's reference to George being at work 9:00-6:30 is in reference to that same day (Monday July 14). It also appears that Casey told Cindy that George was at home at some point that day. (But why would Casey say this if she was pretending to be in Jacksonville with Jeff, Caylee and Zachary (Jeff's son)? :waitasec: Maybe she said someone else saw George? Zanny perhaps??)

After learning that George's work schedule for that day was confirmed to be around 9-6, we assumed Casey had just been lying as usual. But in the new docs, I noticed that George was actually AWOL from work on July 14 from 3:45 pm- 6:15 pm. http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2010/1102/25605293.pdf, p. 177. He claimed to have been stuck in traffic "for two hours" behind a traffic accident on the I-4, exit 74, on his way from the main office of Andrews International Security (7556 Municipal Drive, Orlando, FL) south to Disney at Celebration, FL. He claimed that he then "turned around" and returned to the main office.

George's Epass records, however, tell a different story. http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2447626/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-Epass-records-Released-Nov-06-08, p. 9. According to the Epass records, from 4:00- 4:15 pm George was driving east on the 528, away from the supposed "traffic accident" and also in the completely wrong direction if he was "turning around" to get back to the office (which would have taken a matter of minutes in any event, and he didn't get back to the office until 2 hours later). (Here's a map of the Epass tollbooths: http://www.expresswayauthority.com/Corporate/travel/assets/ExpressMap2009.pdf.)

George's route on the afternoon of July 14 is consistent with going to the house, the post office (you know--the one he had no time to get to on July 14 because he was "working"), Amscot, Johnson's...any number of places in that area.

Casey called the house at 3:33 pm that day, which she often seemed to do in order to check if the coast was clear for a quick stopover. We have no ping information for her between 4:37 pm and 5:50 pm (she was at Tony's before and after that time). If Casey did drive by the house, she would likely have been driving Amy's car, which she was borrowing while Amy was in Puerto Rico.

So it looks like George was AWOL from work 4:15-6:15 pm on July 14, and Casey might have been driving around in Amy's car 4:45-5:45 pm, after checking to make sure no one was home, and saw him at or near the house. So...what could George have been doing? And what could Casey have been "telling" on him for (without giving away her own "cover" of being in Jacksonville)?

Revisiting this thread as it has always been one that I keep coming back to, for several reasons.

First, it's a snapshot into Cindy's mind right before all of KC's lies and machinations get blown up. By her own mother. I imagine that Cindy must have sensed she was teetering on a razors' edge; lean one way and find out your granddaughter is dead, lean the other way and confirm your daughter is a spiteful *****. Either way, it was going to be a deep cut.

And second, while I know that Cindy has misled, withheld and lied to LE; in my opinion she does so to justify KC's behavior and lies. Cindy's motivation for her actions (I surmise) are to distance herself from a reality she cannot or will not acknowledge.

But George has a different agenda. He lies and uses subterfuge to distance himself from something he has done (imo). I don't know what it is. George is a man with many secrets.

For example, why does George give two different accounts about his activities of July 14. In his July 31 FBI interview (Page 65):

GA: Because of work, I got called into work earlier and was usually was expected. Just got started with this work prior to that. But they needed me in early for a meeting and some other stuff. And so my meeting and my day went by I didn't get a chance to make it to the postal service.

(Further down referring to the 15th the following day)

GA: Okay, that morning I got up and did my thing. My wife was already gone to work. Just killing time. Finally at 11 o'clock I knew I had to go to the post office I had to go pay a water bill. Went up to the local Amscot that is right up the street from us, paid our utility bill. I think it was my electric bill or was the water bill I can't remember which one I did at that time. After I got done paying that I drove down to get this letter 'cause I had to be at work at 2 o'clock.

So, in this version to FBI George got called into work early on the 14th and couldn't make it to the post office. And the next day he went to Amscot to pay a utility bill and after that he went to the post office.


George, State Deposition, Page 214, starting line 14:

GA: When Cindy found it at the front door, she said: Hey we've got something at the Post Office. Do you know anyone by the name of Johnson's? And I said: I have no idea. And she said: Well, you need to check into this . It's a certified letter. Need a signature.
Okay, fine. I didn't think any more about it. The next day I didn't get a chance to go to the post office like I wanted to. Couple of distractions, something just happened. I went I remember and paid a utility bill and just didn't have enough time. Tuesday, the 15th of July I made it very specific that I needed to go and take care of that. Because Cindy had asked me and I said I didn't bother going on Monday. So I went on Tuesday and I know it was probably around noon time, could have been a little bit after noon.

In this version, he didn't bother to go to the post office. He also got distracted and something happened. AND he also paid a utility bill but not enough time for the post office.

This isn't faulty memory, this is subterfuge. George is distancing himself from a very real action on his part. Why? What did he do?

 

[Tulessa]

Revisiting this thread as it has always been one that I keep coming back to, for several reasons.

First, it's a snapshot into Cindy's mind right before all of KC's lies and machinations get blown up. By her own mother. I imagine that Cindy must have sensed she was teetering on a razors' edge; lean one way and find out your granddaughter is dead, lean the other way and confirm your daughter is a spiteful *****. Either way, it was going to be a deep cut.

And second, while I know that Cindy has misled, withheld and lied to LE; in my opinion she does so to justify KC's behavior and lies. Cindy's motivation for her actions (I surmise) are to distance herself from a reality she cannot or will not acknowledge.

But George has a different agenda. He lies and uses subterfuge to distance himself from something he has done (imo). I don't know what it is. George is a man with many secrets.

For example, why does George give two different accounts about his activities of July 14. In his July 31 FBI interview (Page 65):

GA: Because of work, I got called into work earlier and was usually was expected. Just got started with this work prior to that. But they needed me in early for a meeting and some other stuff. And so my meeting and my day went by I didn't get a chance to make it to the postal service.

(Further down referring to the 15th the following day)

GA: Okay, that morning I got up and did my thing. My wife was already gone to work. Just killing time. Finally at 11 o'clock I knew I had to go to the post office I had to go pay a water bill. Went up to the local Amscot that is right up the street from us, paid our utility bill. I think it was my electric bill or was the water bill I can't remember which one I did at that time. After I got done paying that I drove down to get this letter 'cause I had to be at work at 2 o'clock.

So, in this version to FBI George got called into work early on the 14th and couldn't make it to the post office. And the next day he went to Amscot to pay a utility bill and after that he went to the post office.


George, State Deposition, Page 214, starting line 14:

GA: When Cindy found it at the front door, she said: Hey we've got something at the Post Office. Do you know anyone by the name of Johnson's? And I said: I have no idea. And she said: Well, you need to check into this . It's a certified letter. Need a signature.
Okay, fine. I didn't think any more about it. The next day I didn't get a chance to go to the post office like I wanted to. Couple of distractions, something just happened. I went I remember and paid a utility bill and just didn't have enough time. Tuesday, the 15th of July I made it very specific that I needed to go and take care of that. Because Cindy had asked me and I said I didn't bother going on Monday. So I went on Tuesday and I know it was probably around noon time, could have been a little bit after noon.

In this version, he didn't bother to go to the post office. He also got distracted and something happened. AND he also paid a utility bill but not enough time for the post office.

This isn't faulty memory, this is subterfuge. George is distancing himself from a very real action on his part. Why? What did he do?

Another mis-truth to add to the list. Great catch.

 

[strawberry]

We send out certified letters from our work. The green card that the recipient signs come back and we keep it as proof that notice was received. I wonder if LE ever asked Johnson's for the green card? Problem is many times people sign it but don't date it like they are supposed to. But it would be interesting to see if/what date was put on there by GA.

 

[Novice Seeker]

iirc George stormed in and then BC (who I think works in the same building or close by) was called to go to NeJames office.

IMO..I remember George mentioning Baez. IMO storming into Nejame's office was orchestrated by Baez..I agree the headline got the ball rolling BUT IMO Baez worked George up to the point that George would be soooo upset that he would storm in and interrupting a press conference...Baez would have his hands clean because he could just say George misunderstood, he is emotional etc...[/QUOTE]



Your comment in bold strengthens my suspicious opinion of JB's plan Bstrategy(BS?) JB has been constructing this particular strategy for sometime. Note the manner in which JB approaches George on the stand, the leading questions JB throws George's way and how JB so easily manipulates George's demeanor on the stand. Don't recall JB posing similar questions to Cindy.

JB also informed George that ICA has made allegations of sexual abuse by both him and Lee which could be used to prove motive for murder. JB can show that George has a history very similiar to ICA's that involve lying, stealing money, capability for violence(George threw his own dad through a glass), a similiar sense of entitlement(bragging about previous employment, agent for the state)

Then we have George himself behaving like he did in MN's office. There's evidence that George lied about the last time he saw Caylee which is compounded by his evasive, deceitful explaination of his activities on June 16th. George put in an application at Andrews International(http://www.docstoc.com/docs/62002049/Casey-Anthony-George-Anthony-Resume) that day which makes his timeline of events suspect.

SIOTW's George might want to reconsider his strategy. My suggestion, thought, opinion, viewpoint, whatever, is for George to sprint to the SA's office and sing like a bird.:noooo:



Novice Seeker

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Casey Anthony Case: Casey Anthony's Father Barges into News Conference
Casey Anthony's father, George Anthony, demanded to speak with an attorney who represents a volunteer search group.
By Amy L. Edwards and Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writers
Posted August 20, 2009

Casey Anthony's father barged into a news conference today and demanded to speak with an attorney who represents a volunteer search group that looked for his granddaughter last year.

George Anthony spoke to attorney Mark NeJame behind closed doors for several minutes until Anthony's attorney, Brad Conway, showed up and joined them.

About 30 minutes later, the three emerged, appearing calm.

George Anthony's daughter, Casey, 23, is accused of killing her 2-year-old daughter, Caylee Marie, last year. The toddler's remains were found in a woods less than a mile from her family home.

George Anthony said he received a call from his daughter's defense attorney, Jose Baez, about the news conference and photos of the wooded area back in November -- a month before the remains were found.

There was a misunderstanding and everything had been resolved, Anthony said.

Neither Anthony nor NeJame would say would the misunderstanding was about.

Jose Baez's spokeswoman, Marti Mackenzie, said the defense team did contact George Anthony and his attorney about the news conference.

"He and the defense team felt the press conference and the release of the photos were improper," she said. The Anthonys may want to let their opinion be known, she said.

http://www.nejamelaw.com/mark-nejam...thonys-father-barges-into-news-conference.htm

NeJame was offering more details on behalf his client, Texas EquuSearch. Tim Miller, EquuSearch's founder, attended the press conference.

The land where Caylee's remains were found -- a vacant property a short walk from where she lived with her mother and grandparents -- was underwater last year, NeJame's office wrote in a letter to the State Attorney's Office and Anthony's defease team before the news conference started.

NeJame's office also released aerial photos showing the property in east Orange County was underwater while searchers were looking for Caylee.

NeJame said the pictures is to counter some people's reports that the area was dry at the time.

"This is to clarify any confusion," he said. "The pictures are important for everybody – for justice, for seeking the truth."

My guess is, Baez wasn't invited and he needed GA to get there ASAP so he could find out what it was that MJ had and was going to show to the press...Baez is the instigator all the time....he doesn't want the truth to be told...MN knows who is the guilty party in Caylee's demise and he's trying to prove it with the photos of Suburban being underwater...He was never able to get CA to accept the truth...and he would represent them as long as he had nothing to do with ICA..he was adamant about that, MN knows the truth and getting the A's to accept it, was not happening...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

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My guess is, Baez wasn't invited and he needed GA to get there ASAP so he could find out what it was that MJ had and was going to show to the press...Baez is the instigator all the time....he doesn't want the truth to be told...MN knows who is the guilty party in Caylee's demise and he's trying to prove it with the photos of Suburban being underwater...He was never able to get CA to accept the truth...and he would represent them as long as he had nothing to do with ICA..he was adamant about that, MN knows the truth and getting the A's to accept it, was not happening...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

Thank you LLL,

bbm
That has been my impression of Jose Baez since very early on...
Baez makes sure his hands are clean...he manipulates or convinces other people do the "dirty work"..IF some controversy or issue arises he can say "it was a misunderstanding, there was confusion or I did not say that"..and it would come down to his (but I am an Officer of the Court) word against the other..and thus far he has avoided sanctions from the Florida Bar.

:twocents:

 

[miimaa]

IMO this draft email proves once and for all that CA was buying KC's stories (at least in general) and that she had NO suspicion that Caylee was not with KC. It appears from information momtective has located that this had to have been written on July 14 or 15 - possibly during the evening of July 14. Since CA probably hadn't physically seen Caylee since the evening of June 15, that's more than 4 weeks, and many people think of 4 weeks as a 'month'.

It does appear from reading the email that CA was buying KCs stories, but.... I am certain I saw a clip CA stating she spoke to KC daily during the 31 days. Pointing this out as more proof of how CA has lied to cover for KC.

 

[LambChop]

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http://www.nejamelaw.com/mark-nejam...thonys-father-barges-into-news-conference.htm




My guess is, Baez wasn't invited and he needed GA to get there ASAP so he could find out what it was that MJ had and was going to show to the press...Baez is the instigator all the time....he doesn't want the truth to be told...MN knows who is the guilty party in Caylee's demise and he's trying to prove it with the photos of Suburban being underwater...He was never able to get CA to accept the truth...and he would represent them as long as he had nothing to do with ICA..he was adamant about that, MN knows the truth and getting the A's to accept it, was not happening...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

Oh my. So does this mean that GA as a State Witness is also an "agent for the defense"? A double-agent?

 

[Solace]

When I went to check out their neighborhood back in July, I took Colonial Drive (Florida route 50) eastbound back out to interstate 95. Not too far outside Orlando there are miles and miles of swamps, fields and inlets-and there are quite a few secluded dirt roads off the main road that lead back into hunting/fishing/recreational areas where there may be little to no human presence.

Even those of us with non-criminal intent can understand that you should put a body out there instead of near your home. When crime analysts say that mothers often put their dead children nearby for psychological reasons, they aren't lyin-cause anyone else would have taken her as far away from there as possible.
BUT-KC had no gas, ever. Perhaps she couldn't get that far even if she wanted to without risking having to have TL or someone else come get her. Then again, she could have made it priority to fill her tank up with gas using some of the money she had stolen.
:waitasec: I think I just implied that KC might use logic and planning skills....what the heck am I thinking!?!

Even if she had gas, I think she would have put the body exactly where she did. She does not plan, she just does, it was close and lets get out of here. She is not going out of her way, any time, any where, ever. The fastest and easiest way is the KC way.

 

[mobius99]

It does appear from reading the email that CA was buying KCs stories, but.... I am certain I saw a clip CA stating she spoke to KC daily during the 31 days. Pointing this out as more proof of how CA has lied to cover for KC.

Actually, Cindy states that she had no contact with KC on July 11. By this time, everyday KC was telling her she would be home the next day. The next day KC would pile some more bs to the reason before as an excuse to be a no show. According to Cindy she stopped calling KC, "why bother?"

The message in this thread is a window into Cindy's state of mind.

Coincidentally, the 11th is also the day the notice to pick up a certified letter is delivered.

 

[LyndyLoo]

Even if she had gas, I think she would have put the body exactly where she did. She does not plan, she just does, it was close and lets get out of here. She is not going out of her way, any time, any where, ever. The fastest and easiest way is the KC way.

ALSO, I wish to add, and something that haunts me..Casey kept saying regarding Caylee "She is close" "I can feel she is close by"...Yikes..Caylee sure was close by..just around the corner of the Hopespring House :sick:

Was that Casey Speak to Cindy to let her know Caylee was close?? Sorry straying OT..My Bad!!

 

[pip]

Even if she had gas, I think she would have put the body exactly where she did. She does not plan, she just does, it was close and lets get out of here. She is not going out of her way, any time, any where, ever. The fastest and easiest way is the KC way.

It seems to me that she would have gone out of her way to place the body somewhere very hidden and far away from home (given her history of in-depth scheming in coverups r/t her 'job' with the fake emails and such, all her stories..she seemed to go to extremes) For me, the choice of the woods, on top the ground near home is inconsistent. It doesn't add up for me as a lazy choice. I have always thought it was a quick dump in a panic for some reason. I think she was avoiding opening that trunk and dealing with her decomposing daughters body and only did it when she felt she had no choice but to do it. Something happened that day that forced her to act quickly, I think.

Also, the fact that she left the body in the trunk for so long rather than disposing of the body right away tells me her denial runs as deep as CA's.. they just don't deal with reality, and avoiding reality eventually ends in an obviously big mess to deal with. A common trait between the two.

 

[PMLsmom]

It seems to me that she would have gone out of her way to place the body somewhere very hidden and far away from home (given her history of in-depth scheming in coverups r/t her 'job' with the fake emails and such, all her stories..she seemed to go to extremes) For me, the choice of the woods, on top the ground near home is inconsistent. It doesn't add up for me as a lazy choice. I have always thought it was a quick dump in a panic for some season. I think she was avoiding opening that trunk and dealing with her decomposing daughters body and only did it when she felt she had no choice but to do it. Something happened that day that forced her to act quickly, I think.

Also, the fact that she left the body in the trunk for so long rather than disposing of the body right away tells me her denial runs as deep as CA's.. they just don't deal with reality, and avoiding reality eventually ends in an obviously big mess to deal with. A common trait between the two.

Good insight. My thoughts:

RBBM - It was the odor..Getting stronger, and stronger...

 

[pip]

Good insight. My thoughts:

RBBM - It was the odor..Getting stronger, and stronger...

That would be true, but why didn't she drive out to the boonies somewhere for disposal when she decided the odor was too strong and she had to do it?
Or even in another isolated location within the city that would not be associated with her own home?
I still think it was an urgent choice, not a planned choice.. for more than just an odor issue alone.
ETA
Uh oh, I just read the thread title, guess this is getting off topic. Sorry.

 

[logicalgirl]

It seems to me that she would have gone out of her way to place the body somewhere very hidden and far away from home (given her history of in-depth scheming in coverups r/t her 'job' with the fake emails and such, all her stories..she seemed to go to extremes) For me, the choice of the woods, on top the ground near home is inconsistent. It doesn't add up for me as a lazy choice. I have always thought it was a quick dump in a panic for some reason. I think she was avoiding opening that trunk and dealing with her decomposing daughters body and only did it when she felt she had no choice but to do it. Something happened that day that forced her to act quickly, I think.

Also, the fact that she left the body in the trunk for so long rather than disposing of the body right away tells me her denial runs as deep as CA's.. they just don't deal with reality, and avoiding reality eventually ends in an obviously big mess to deal with. A common trait between the two.

I don't know about her in-depth planning and coverups - she didn't make any elaborate plans when she needed money, she just went into her mother's account and took the money, and she sent herself a fake email regarding her work but used a false name and didn't bother to look up an actual supervisor - when she could have picked someone out of state to report to - Kodak is a big company and has offices all over the place.
To me she's completely lazy and takes the easiest route - sticks the baby in the trunk instead of searching out somewhere to hide the body and then tosses her in the nearest spot. To me that is typical ICA.

Whoops and speaking of being off topic, I wonder if ICA was making calls to CA, making excuses, but calling her and leaving messages on voicemail, when she knew CA wasn't around, rather than speaking directly to her. And not answering CA's calls when she called back, letting it go to voicemail also