Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #2

[Bartholemeus]

This is Claremont Ghost right?

Parkie, you've been hot on this guy for a while and said you tracked him to Lebanon.

I never saw those Claremont ghost youtube vids nor the post from Gary Hughes. Precisely what were the contents?

This is non geographical so we should probably move to the other thread.

 

[crabstick]

Cutler was abducted from 14 Mill st. Cutlers car was driven into the ocean behind Cottesloe surf club.

Essentially from 14 Mill st is a continuous road along from Mill st to about Mosman park.
Not sure where Cutler lived but the two points might have the murderers marking territory of some form. All the problems were between these two points.
Cutler from Mill st. Spiers lived on Mill Point rd according to one of the users in this forum.

 

[crabstick]

Is Cutlers abduction point, to her car or house a run for pick ups the taxi police discuss?

 

[billywhizz]

Is Cutlers abduction point, to her car or house a run for pick ups the taxi police discuss?

What?? Cannot make any sense from that above quote.

No one knows where JC was abducted from. She was last seen at Parmelia hotel. If she was seen somewhere else afterwards your whole theory is out the window.

What connection does CG have to Mill/Mill Point/Millar?

 

[billywhizz]

Spiers lived on Mill Point rd according to one of the users in this forum.

According to Steve Ross. He's the only one that has ever said that.

"He recalled that she had lived in Mill Point Road, South Perth."
www.australianmissingpersonsregister.com/Spiers.htm

 

[Parkie]

Claremont Ghost; Pretty much driving around with his video camera going. Making sure no one could fig where he was. A troll he was so I was told. He also chatted to pisst tarts too in his vehicle. Prob just girls he met at a pub. There were at least 2 girls in the car going by the voices he put on You Tube.

 

[Bartholemeus]

Cutler was abducted from 14 Mill st. Cutlers car was driven into the ocean behind Cottesloe surf club.

Essentially from 14 Mill st is a continuous road along from Mill st to about Mosman park.
Not sure where Cutler lived but the two points might have the murderers marking territory of some form. All the problems were between these two points.
Cutler from Mill st. Spiers lived on Mill Point rd according to one of the users in this forum.

Wrong thread.

But while you're here, any chance you can respond to these:

Post #90: As were the suspects drugged/spiked with the coma drug in drinks and abducted. Can you please provide some evidence of this
Post #105: The men in black are still DNA testing. This is only just starting really. They are dotting the i's and crossing the t's. Can you please provide some evidence of this
Post #109: In a year or so it will be in court. Can you please provide some evidence of this
Post #116: Chemicals that produce the coma drug were found at the dumping points. Can you please provide some evidence of this
Post #116: Clear chemicals that could have been used to spike drinks prior which would influence the girls behaviour, unbeknown to them, then they were abducted by surname using a fake taxi. Can you please provide some evidence of this

Here's a few new ones that you could clarify (from this thread):

Post #298: What I have put in the thread is fact.
Post #304: I have a lot of information not publicly known because I am close enough within the community to have it
Post #304: people already in some cases cleared by police

Thanks in advance.

 

[Bartholemeus]

Cutler was abducted from 14 Mill st. Cutlers car was driven into the ocean behind Cottesloe surf club.

Essentially from 14 Mill st is a continuous road along from Mill st to about Mosman park.
Not sure where Cutler lived but the two points might have the murderers marking territory of some form. All the problems were between these two points.
Cutler from Mill st. Spiers lived on Mill Point rd according to one of the users in this forum.

JC lived in Fremantle. Went to school with LW - so either North Cott Primary or Swannie High.

If you extend Mill St it goes nowhere near Mossie Park. Not that it has FA to do with FA anyway.

 

[crabstick]

JC lived in Fremantle. Went to school with LW - so either North Cott Primary or Swannie High.

If you extend Mill St it goes nowhere near Mossie Park. Not that it has FA to do with FA anyway.

I will map Mounts bay road from Mill st down stirling hwy when Im back from work. Easily a taxi region to be from A to B, but you keep up the good work.
Fremantle isnt much help without a street name. Stirling hwy?
I spoke to someone. Turns out 78 Stirling hwy has some relevance.

I really dont care if Jess deletes both threads like all the other forums on the net. It sounds like thats your endeavour.

 

[crabstick]

What?? Cannot make any sense from that above quote.

No one knows where JC was abducted from. She was last seen at Parmelia hotel. If she was seen somewhere else afterwards your whole theory is out the window.

What connection does CG have to Mill/Mill Point/Millar?

If only we knew. I dare say police may know. They did say they felt it was a taxi. Bartholemeus said a UBD road book. It ties in with the whole theme of what police have said.
Someone here said Cutlers car ended up in the ocean without a scratch. That would mean a tilt tray truck to get Cutlers car over the rocks?
Tow truck driver, another person that has too much time on the roadside.
From memory cops said taxi and at one staged mentioned it could be a cop.


Birnie said he used to cruise Stirling hwy for victims.

 

[crabstick]

So we have a taxi and a tray back tow truck driver if the car went in where a forum user said it did.
To get Cutlers car in the water without damage would take that.
The men in black have so much more info. For us its just guessing.
Cant wait till its hammer time. Massive story.
If they have, what Ive been told they have. No doubt a lot more people will come forward based on other info when it does.

 

[Sutton]

Canceling my post. Let's get the thread cleaned up of the unanswered questions above before I move on to new discussions.

 

[crabstick]

To get Cutlers car in the water over the rocks without a scratch as per mentioned by a forum user before behind the surf club takes considerable planning.
The car could have been put in places with much easier effort.
It was preplanned and it was done fast enough someone wasnt seen.
This was no amateur. It was someone with the knowledge of prior crime.
They know exactly what they are doing. I wouldnt be surprised if the particular cigarette butts in the ash tray were planted for different reasons.
Why the beach?
Methodical and calculated.
Who is to say anything is random.

 

[crabstick]

Did mobile phones exist in 1988? Analogue phones were very easy to listen into.

The fact the 347 stirling hwy, Sarahs abduction point, 90 degrees to the two bodies found at 347 degrees; the 347km from Southern cross says something bigger than a UBD was used or at least the 'map maker' has an interest in Southern Cross or intimate knowledge of Claremont.

 

[crabstick]

If the only means of getting Cutlers car over the rockwall was tilt tray tow truck. Julie did have a barely functional vehicle.

That would explain the capacity to build fake taxi and the chemicals present at dump sites. Panel beating industry.

These girls were targetted for their surnames. A taxi made it easy with comms, even if they were just listening.

 

[crabstick]

If the only means of getting Cutlers car over the rockwall was tilt tray tow truck. Julie did have a barely functional vehicle.

That would explain the capacity to build fake taxi and the chemicals present at dump sites.
Panel beating industry.
These girls were targetted for thdir surnames. A taxi made it easy with comms, even if they were just listening.

Whats a bet a second person would ask to share a cab or lay behind the seat.

As the car took off this 2nd person would overwhelm them until the driver could assist.

In Cutlers case I wonder whether someone interfered with her car then turned up to help such as a tow truck driver.

 

[Bartholemeus]

Claremont Ghost; Pretty much driving around with his video camera going. Making sure no one could fig where he was. A troll he was so I was told. He also chatted to pisst tarts too in his vehicle. Prob just girls he met at a pub. There were at least 2 girls in the car going by the voices he put on You Tube.

So what I'm not getting is why this guy's your favourite for the CSK? It's a low percentage play IMO.

What did he say in the Gary Hughes blog?

 

[Bartholemeus]

Can I ask, just so I don't keep posting those questions in vain, do you intend to answer them?

It's a reasonable request.

 

[crabstick]

Can I ask, just so I don't keep posting those questions in vain, do you intend to answer them?

It's a reasonable request.

I told you. You accused me of not answering questions and yet you didnt answer the question I asked.
Im not playing your game.

I still wont be surprised if Dixie was partly involved in this 'team' of girl collectors.
Just because Dixie wasnt here all the time doesnt mean he wasnt partly involved.
Maybe in payment for drugs and gratification.

Then there is Simon Rochford in Mosman park, bashes Pamela Lawrence (flora metallica) to death in a jewelery shop but doesnt rob her. Why?

Where did the girls mums purchase the jewellery etc that disapeared?
The claddagh broach, the daisy chain missing.. Symbols with some commonality in them.

If someone was involved in the panel beating industry they would have access to the chemicals that would be sold as the coma drug GBL.
They would have access to taxis and comms.
So many girls were having drinks bought for them then waking up not knowing what happened at the time.
It may explain why girls peeled off from friends with careless abandonment.
They all went off on their own in a period of high alert.
If you didnt have to borrow, buy and pay interest on a taxi plate, its not bad money.
The interesting thing is, the bricklayer said he felt the taxi headed north from Pipidinny. Why?

 

[Bartholemeus]

I told you. You accused me of not answering questions and yet you didnt answer the question I asked.
Im not playing your game.

I don't believe there are any questions I have left unanswered. Can you please point them out and I'll be happy to answer them (unless of course I asked my questions first)

Forgive me for thinking you are making excuses because you are unable to back up your claims.

So many girls were having drinks bought for them then waking up not knowing what happened at the time.

This is just not true. Can you please provide a source.