Australia Claremont Serial Killer, 1996 - 1997, Perth, Western Australia - #3

[papertrail]

Not this path again

not quite sure what you mean

 

[papertrail]

can anyone confirm where LW worked; Marshall wrote in her book that he worked for Department of Main Roads, but the detail in this newspaper link said he worked for Department of Transport. If this is the case it's a major concern because they are the taxi licensing department.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/29843191/compo-call-for-cleared-claremont-killing-suspect/

 

[J35]

You know it's far fetched. Is CG 347cm tall? No. So there is no correlation between alleged compass sites and victim height. It's a rabit hole, just like the "boat theory" that was posted in earlier threads.

QUOTE=papertrail;12250956]can anyone confirm where LW worked][/QUOTE]

Can I ask why you still rate LW so highly? Especially given recent developments in the case.

 

[papertrail]

You know it's far fetched. Is CG 347cm tall? No. So there is no correlation between alleged compass sites and victim height. It's a rabit hole, just like the "boat theory" that was posted in earlier threads.

QUOTE=papertrail;12250956]can anyone confirm where LW worked]

Can I ask why you still rate LW so highly? Especially given recent developments in the case.[/QUOTE]

Firstly I was not making any correlation with CG's height which was 152cms (same as LW's mother) and CG's disposal site degree.

You ask "why you still rate LW so highly, especially given recent developments in the case?" Simply because there has been nothing released by police that states they have ruled him out. The statement by police near the end of the 2008 CIA doco, they say they ruled out a public servant. Peter Weygers was a public servant and I think they were referring to him not Williams. And the article that Bret wrote recently re DNA, that didn't state they had ruled out Williams either. I think other news reporters are spreading the furphy when they state Williams has been ruled out.

 

[silver tongue]

papertrail there is a lance williams employed at the department of main roads p.s give the knockers[baggers] a miss

 

[J35]

Firstly I was not making any correlation with CG's height which was 152cms (same as LW's mother) and CG's disposal site degree.

No, but you seemed to for JR with this statement:

Interesting that Jane was 167cm tall and her disposal site was at 167 degrees.

Like I said, and you just proved, there is no correlation between victim height and alleged disposal site compass bearings.

 

[J35]

If you want to talk about circumstantial evidence for LW, lets discuss this missing tool of LW's that matches an alleged injury on a victim - a thought that was a dangling carrot a few pages back

 

[Sutton]

If you want to talk about circumstantial evidence for LW, lets discuss this missing tool of LW's that matches an alleged injury on a victim - a thought that was a dangling carrot a few pages back

That carrot must be in disguise--I don't remember the post (or it went over my head).

But I did hear a similar rumor in the past (maybe thru BF??). The tool seemed fairly common. I wonder how precisely forensics were able to match it?

If true, this would make me reconsider my position on LW.

 

[J35]

Yes sutton, took me a while to find it (post 575 thread 3)

There's more evidence that's circumstantially connects him to an injury sustained on CG's skull, but I can't go into that.

My apologies, 'matches' was the wrong word to use in post 668- 'allegedly links' would have been more appropriate. The 'missing tool' has been floated by others
I'd like to hear more about this rumour/idea/thought- how reliable is it etc

EDIT:::
Another carrot found in thread 2 post 617
"They also allegedly noticed a tool from a part of a tool set missing that exactly matched injuries that CG sustained"
End edit::


There is two main schools here regarding LW
1. He is no longer a suspect but police wont confirm due to: a) there is still a small possibility; or b) being sued for $millions in compensation
2. Police know he is the CSK but the DNA link are partial profiles and there is insufficient total evidence to arrest LW

I am in school 1 until total evidence is presented

 

[papertrail]

No, but you seemed to for JR with this statement:



Like I said, and you just proved, there is no correlation between victim height and alleged disposal site compass bearings.

JR's height I did not know until I found the info in the newspaper article I posted here. At the same time I was looking at something relevant to the degrees of her disposal site and it just struck me as strange. You cannot say for sure there is no correlation in the killer's mind can you; unless of course you are the killer and I do doubt that very much.

 

[papertrail]

I am having difficulty being convinced that LW lived at the corner of Pearse St. In the book and in the news photos he was photographed at the rear of a block of units that are 2 storeys high. The block of units at the corner of Pearse St are 3 storeys high.

Is anyone able to confirm where he lived ?

 

[papertrail]

That carrot must be in disguise--I don't remember the post (or it went over my head).

But I did hear a similar rumor in the past (maybe thru BF??). The tool seemed fairly common. I wonder how precisely forensics were able to match it?

If true, this would make me reconsider my position on LW.

I am currently preparing a dotpoint article about LW; there is detail in this that may convince you.

 

[papertrail]

papertrail there is a lance williams employed at the department of main roads p.s give the knockers[baggers] a miss

Thanks for this Silver. You don't happen to know what particular area in Main Roads do you ?

 

[billywhizz]

I am having difficulty being convinced that LW lived at the corner of Pearse St. In the book and in the news photos he was photographed at the rear of a block of units that are 2 storeys high. The block of units at the corner of Pearse St are 3 storeys high.

Is anyone able to confirm where he lived ?

I have always thought the vacant unit he owned was Seaview heights. I knew someone who lived next door and this was backed up by them, plus I also saw footage of the place being searched on the news.

The photo you are looking at is not necessarily taken outside his house. Does it state that it is? It could be a block of units near his work, or near the house he lived in with his parents. Is he really going to be strolling in and out of his vacant beachside unit? Not likely.

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/09/24/1095961862193.html?from=storylhs

In May, police returned to the home Williams shares with his elderly parents. They also scoured a vacant beachfront unit owned by Williams.

Whether it's those ones or not (99% certain it is), the unit must be located on Marine Parade.

I also knew someone who lived next door to the house he shared with his parents.

It has been stated numerous times that he has been cleared. If you don't believe the reports that he has been cleared, why do you believe the reports that PW has been cleared, the reports about a blitz attack theory and a link to the Karrakatta rapist? The Sunday night doco even features footage of him being interviewed as to how he feels after being cleared.

You ask "why you still rate LW so highly, especially given recent developments in the case?" Simply because there has been nothing released by police that states they have ruled him out. The statement by police near the end of the 2008 CIA doco, they say they ruled out a public servant. Peter Weygers was a public servant and I think they were referring to him not Williams. And the article that Bret wrote recently re DNA, that didn't state they had ruled out Williams either. I think other news reporters are spreading the furphy when they state Williams has been ruled out.

Everywhere LW is referred to, he is described as a public servant. PW is described as former mayor of Claremont. They have not and will not use 'public servant' to describe PW.

 

[billywhizz]

Quote Originally Posted by silver tongue View Post
quickstraw posted on the big footy [page6] she was picked up numerous times by L/W in a yellow corona in the late 80s

Thanks Silver. Do you have a link because I cannot find page 6.

re yellow corona - quickstraw and Barth are the same person. The information has come from one person.

 

[Parkie]

You sleuths are not parking down by the river re the hottie. You can`t walk the local walk & get the feeling that she sends. And you don`t know a tunnel when you see one...

 

[Parkie]

Papertrail, figure that one....

 

[J35]

Great post Billywhizz

I think the investigator bias of the case (past focus on LW) is misleading/encouraging many web sleuthers (throughout all threads) to become tunnel visioned- probably helped by the often vague news releases and lack of known factual evidence.

I also wonder how embellished DM's book is, many seem to take it all as fact, despite the financial gains of the book and key incorrect 'facts'.

 

[Sutton]

As I've stated many times, I think LW is innocent. But I am looking for a document listing his previous address for Papertrail.

Here is the edited interview LW did with Channel 7 in 2002, for anyone interested:

http://go.galegroup.com/ps/i.do?id=...ND&sw=w&asid=01083cc773f257dd03ad8bcc641b1293

 

[papertrail]

please post this publicly as I am interested to read it.

If you find out he works in Road Inspection then that would be suss- especially if he inspected Wellard Rd and Pippidinny Rd prior to being asphalted


I still want to discuss this alleged injury to CG that allegedly matches some missing tool. Does this not interest you papertrail?

The part of your writing that I take most notice of is the word "allegedly". Given no details have ever been released about victim injury I take the socalled alleged connection with a missing tool with a grain of salt. I have recently read a newspaper article (from memory The Age) in which the reporter had detailed 'no gun shot or knife wounds and that it was believed that both recovered victims had been strangled.'

QUOTE please post this publicly as I am interested to read it END QUOTE.

It will take time to prepare ETA early 2016.



I have recently read info that LW's position was described as 'administrative manager'; I wonder what that entails given that Main Roads hold sole responsibility for the arterial road network in Western Australia https://www.mainroads.wa.gov.au/Doc... 2015 - High Def Version.RCN-D15^23377998.PDF.

I also wonder if his job description could be described as 'IT' related; possible connection to the 2007 attempted abduction of a girl on Stirling Highway Mosman Park in 2007 -- police description of the offender was 'sexually deviant IT worker'.

Do Main Roads also control traffic signals; because if they do then he could have had a very good idea of timing ?

I am also very interested to see that 'route 71' is an arterial road system in Perth that starts at cnrs of STIRLING HIGHWAY to, CURTIN AVENUE AND ERIC STREET COTTESLOE and the far northern section turns into Marmion Avenue from which Pipidinny Road could be accessed in 1996, although it was a track back (in 1996) however subsequently fully bitumenized. If you turn right onto at the intersection of Curtin and Eric another State route would take you to very close to the Woolcoot Road disposal site which could be access via Millar Road.

If LW did reside at Sea View Heights in Cottesloe, that is listed online as being 86 Marine Parade, Cottesloe. I just thought why not check the degrees to JR's site from there and it is 161 degrees with CG site being 351; I checked this because I have never believed the 167 / 347 degrees between Jane and Ciara to be the be all and end all and far too 'easy'. I think the killer deliberately did this to put police off his trail and / or pattern.

Whilst we are talking about JR and CG, how many days were there between their abductions; was it 279 ? How many 'driving' kilometers was it between disposal sites; 1997 newspaper reports say 86kms and 78 (as the bird flies). I believe more attention and discussion needs to take place regarding the choice of disposal site locations; why was Jane's disposal site chosen ? Could Sarah Spiers be located at 167 degrees ex 86 Marine Parade or 347 from her (currently unknown) disposal site to 86 Marine? She may have been his 1st victim after he moved into 86 Marine. No drivers' license at the time (but that means nothing in the scheme of things) ; was she held ? He obtained his license on January 30 1996.

I am aware that LW has a supposed alibi for the night of CG's abduction and subsequent murder, which was supported by his mother. LW was receiving intensive psychiatric treatments at this time and that shows me he would have had access to medications to ensure his mother / father slept more heavily and that could be why they didn't hear his vehicle leave.

If LW is responsible, then he likes to play numbers games; Marshall mentions that he was gifted at mathematics.

Also very interested to find out that LW's University connection was at Curtin Uni where he had enrolled in psychology and is believed to have attended the same lectures that Julie Cutler did; LW completed only one full semester. I know for a fact that whilst Julie attended Curtin, she was living in East Vic Park and moved to Freo after she had completed her studies. Her Fiat 125 was discovered floating in surf near Cottesloe Groyne ? No personal items from the vehicle were ever washed up on the shoreline.

Did Julie Cutler attend Hollywood High ? Her mother Robyn Elizabeth Cutler died on 4 January 1976 and last suburb at Karrakatta records is listed as Wembley; is that in the catchment area for Hollywood High ?

If LW is connected to Julie's disappearance then has he stalked her to her workplace at the Parmelia Hilton ? Her last sighting was at 12.30am.

Interesting that police had revisited the Cottesloe 'Cutler vehicle disposal' scene whilst they were looking close at LW (1998) and were searching bush (ocean side) at corner of Beach and Marine Parade and were asking locals if there were any 'strange smells' in the area in 1988.

Police had also requested her father supply them with Julie's diaries /notes etc, which he did.