Closing Arguments- Chase Merritt Charged W/Murder of Joseph, Summer, Gianni and Joe Jr McStay #2

[LadyL]

"Yah, that must be it. I think we have seen that happen quite often in other murder cases here....wait...."
The above statement is the epitome and text book example of closed minded thinking. Just because something is not ordinary, then it can't be, is the wrong approach to take.

if you want to quote someone, you can hit quote, then reply ... just fyi trying to be helpful

 

[katydid23]

"Yah, that must be it. I think we have seen that happen quite often in other murder cases here....wait...."
The above statement is the epitome and text book example of closed minded thinking. Just because something is not ordinary, then it can't be, is the wrong approach to take.

Tell me, what is more likely to happen...

----a killer decides to go to am area he feels safe and knows well, to dig a shallow grave...

OR

---a killer goes to Google Earth and looks for a random hole, already dug, to go dig up again, to dispose of dead bodies?

 

[Bennettfit]

"So they went to Tijuana, met their killers there, and the killers decided to go back into the USA with their hostages, and dispose of them there, instead of the Mexican desert?"
Perhaps, they returned them here alive, held hostage, because the McStays had something hidden here the killers wanted.

 

[katydid23]

you're asking people to suspend disbelief and ignore common sense

Exactly.

I have lived in So Cal for 40 years, 25 years in Northern Cali.

I have never known any parents that would walk two toddlers into Tijuana, unless they had friends or family there waiting.

TJ is not a safe place for an American couple, who dont speak the language, to be wandering around on foot with 2 small children. There is no reason that Summer would have willingly done so.

And they were not being held hostage in the video,

It was not them.

 

[katydid23]

"So they went to Tijuana, met their killers there, and the killers decided to go back into the USA with their hostages, and dispose of them there, instead of the Mexican desert?"
Perhaps, they returned them here alive, held hostage, because the McStays had something hidden here the killers wanted.

Why would they bring all 4 back? That is pretty risky to cross the border with 4 hostages.

Why wouldn't they just come back with one adult, and hold the family hostage, as a way to control the person with them?

No way they would bring the entire family back over the border and then kill them all.

 

[Lilibet]

Tell me, what is more likely to happen...
----a killer decides to go to am area he feels safe and knows well, to dig a shallow grave...
OR
---a killer goes to Google Earth and looks for a random hole, already dug, to go dig up again, to dispose of dead bodies?

BBM

I don’t think CM was the type to research pre-dug holes on Google Earth. And how would he know that someone else hadn’t used the random hole on Google Earth to bury someone already? Oops! Sorry to disturb you!

 

[Force Ten]

"Yah, that must be it. I think we have seen that happen quite often in other murder cases here....wait...."
The above statement is the epitome and text book example of closed minded thinking. Just because something is not ordinary, then it can't be, is the wrong approach to take.

Close minded thinking. Like ignoring the 6 pings that hit the tower looming over the graves site on the 6th that the defendant said he had never been to before 2013? That kind of close minded thinking?

 

[Niner]

Cathy Russon‏ @cathyrusson 2m2 minutes ago
#McStay - Jurors are going home after day 3 of deliberations without a verdict. They've deliberated roughly 14 hours.

She says 14 hours. If 5/30 was 4 1/2, 6/3 was 4 1/2 & yesterday 6/4 was 3 hours (1:30 to 4:30) - that would be roughly 12 hours....

?? Anyone?? Just wondering "where" she got that extra 2 hours....

 

[Karinna]

"So they went to Tijuana, met their killers there, and the killers decided to go back into the USA with their hostages, and dispose of them there, instead of the Mexican desert?"
Perhaps, they returned them here alive, held hostage, because the McStays had something hidden here the killers wanted.

This will not be what the jury is deliberating on. I do not recall this coming into evidence at trial?

 

[wary]

A lack of critical thinking, or more of a realistic thinking?

She says 14 hours. If 5/30 was 4 1/2, 6/3 was 4 1/2 & yesterday 6/4 was 3 hours (1:30 to 4:30) - that would be roughly 12 hours....

?? Anyone?? Just wondering "where" she got that extra 2 hours....

I wondered that, too. Any chance that 6/4 was 5.5 hours? But no way that 6/4 could have been more than 3 hours.

 

[Niner]

Wednesday, June 5th:
*Trial continues-Jury Deliberations (Day 3)-VERDICT WATCH! (@ 9am PT) - CA - McStay Family: Joseph (40), Summer (43), Gianni (4) & Joey Jr (3) (Feb. 4, 2010, Fallbrook; found Nov. 11, 2013) - *Charles "Chase" Ray Merritt aka Charles Ray Mandel aka Charles Ray Morritt aka Chase Meredith aka Chase Jarvis (57/now 62) arrested (11/5/14) & indicted (11/7/14) of 4 counts of murder with special circumstance; plead not guilty. DP case.
Trial started 1/7/19. Dark on all Fridays. Jurors started with 8 women & 4 men; now have 9 women & 3 men (alternates started with 4 men & 2 women-alternates left 2 men & 1 woman) 3 jurors were let go.
Trial Days (1-58: 1/7/19 thru 5/30/19) reference post #12 here:
VERDICT WATCH - Closing Arguments- Chase Merritt Charged W/Murder of Joseph, Summer, Gianni and Joe Jr McStay #2
6/3/10 Day 59: Jury deliberates. And while the jurors deliberate; the man who approached the two alternates is named Robert Wallace. He has been in the court audience during the months-long proceedings. All attorneys remain in court, they are trying to see if the alternates are in the courthouse to question them about Wallace. Judge Smith tells the man who approached the jurors, identified as working as a media advisor for the defense, that his inclination is to hold him in contempt. Also told Wallace that among the consequences, if somehow a mistrial is declared, is that he could be held responsible for the costs of the trial. Wallace left the courtroom without comment after affirming the spelling of his name. Smith directs defense attorneys and the man for affidavits about the incident, especially how the man came to contact the alternates. Smith: Affidavits on Thursday (6/6) from defense, prosecutors can submit order to show cause for contempt. Smith orders the man not to be at the courthouse for the rest of the trial. One of the alternates now answering Judge Smith. She said alternates told Wallace they could not talk to him after he approached them to ask for interviews. Now the second alternate: "Right when I walked out the door that guy was on us...it was really awkward." Like the other alternate he said Wallace was told they could not talk to him, bailiff was contacted. Smith thanks him as he also thanked previous alternate.
And also this morning: A hearing this morning in a different courtroom Prosecutor Britt Imes tells @LawCrimeNetwork there are allegations of jury tampering by the defense. Jurors continue deliberations on 6/4. The jurors deliberated 4 ½ hours (on 5/30), about 4 ½ hours on 6/3.
6/4/19 Day 60: Jurors started deliberations at 1:40pm today. And have quit for the day. Deliberated for about 3 hours today. Total deliberations about 14 hours (per tweet), I come up with 12 total hours.
Tentative Schedule for week of June 3rd thru June 7th: 6/3, Monday: Court “might” start a 10am. 6/4, Tuesday. 6/5, Wednesday. 6/6, Thursday (Affidavits due from Defense). 6/7, Friday. Court in session all week for Jury deliberations, including Friday! When Jurors have a verdict there will be a 2-hour time period to get into court (or near your computer) before verdict is read.

 

[Karinna]

She says 14 hours. If 5/30 was 4 1/2, 6/3 was 4 1/2 & yesterday 6/4 was 3 hours (1:30 to 4:30) - that would be roughly 12 hours....

?? Anyone?? Just wondering "where" she got that extra 2 hours....

No idea, but i agree and don't think it's 14 hours either.

 

[katydid23]

She says 14 hours. If 5/30 was 4 1/2, 6/3 was 4 1/2 & yesterday 6/4 was 3 hours (1:30 to 4:30) - that would be roughly 12 hours....

?? Anyone?? Just wondering "where" she got that extra 2 hours....

Haaaa...I guess that's what 'roughly' refers to.

 

[Frankie Hellis]

She says 14 hours. If 5/30 was 4 1/2, 6/3 was 4 1/2 & yesterday 6/4 was 3 hours (1:30 to 4:30) - that would be roughly 12 hours....

?? Anyone?? Just wondering "where" she got that extra 2 hours....

Yeah, I thought that was a bit of an over-estimation myself.

 

[geevee]

She says 14 hours. If 5/30 was 4 1/2, 6/3 was 4 1/2 & yesterday 6/4 was 3 hours (1:30 to 4:30) - that would be roughly 12 hours....

?? Anyone?? Just wondering "where" she got that extra 2 hours....

I caught that too.

 

[UndiscoveredTruth]

She says 14 hours. If 5/30 was 4 1/2, 6/3 was 4 1/2 & yesterday 6/4 was 3 hours (1:30 to 4:30) - that would be roughly 12 hours....

?? Anyone?? Just wondering "where" she got that extra 2 hours....

Lunch? She may have guestimated 2hrs for lunch? lol Who knows!!

 

[Niner]

I wondered that, too. Any chance that 6/4 was 5.5 hours? But no way that 6/4 could have been more than 3 hours.

If 5/30 is 4 1/2, then 6/3 IS 5 1/2 hours (instead of the 4 1/2 hrs) & 6/4 is 3 hours - then it is closer to 13 hours.... at least that makes more sense.

 

[Niner]

Unfortunately, I'm going on a "road trip" today.... I'm hoping for NO verdict today! LOL!

On the hours - I'm going to go with 5 1/2 hours on Monday the 3rd.... If someone finds anything different - please post!

 

[Force Ten]

I predict a verdict in the morning (5th). Or at least the afternoon.

 

[wary]

I predict a verdict in the morning (5th). Or at least the afternoon.

They’re not doing as many hours per day as I expected them to. Silly me!

One day of deliberation for every month of testimony would be 25 hours—if you had 5 hour deliberation days.