Closing arguments- thread #173

[TotallyObsessed]

And if this were a possibility, why would the DT not have used that in the trial. Plus, that isn't in evidence, so are they even allowed to bring that up? Just one more lie to add to JA's and her DT's field of lies, imo.

PEOPLE - up thread - 2nd Wallyworld did not even open until 2010.

 

[raisincharlie]

I made a JA pin cushion on the weekend to edify her naked self portrait lying on the bed with braids. I'd post it here but don't know how plus she's naked and we've all seen enough of that. In any case, I've decided to watch and not just listen to Nurmi today. As I believe JA to be the puppet master of her team, each and every reference to sex from Nurmis mouth today and the pin cushion is getting it. :seeya:

Ma'am you are going to be busy today.

 

[Softail]

I wonder what was filed this morning?

Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
5/3/2013 023 - ME: Order Entered By Court - Party (001) 5/3/2013
5/3/2013 029 - ME: Status Conference - Party (001) 5/3/2013

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.g...rtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2008-031021

Those are just minute entries. ME = Minute Entry If you go here and click on minute entry, you can see them.

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CriminalCourtCases/Index.asp

 

[geevee]

No. This is a request for the GUILT phase of the trial.

Aren't we in the guilt phase now? With aggravation and mitigation phases to follow should there be a M1 conviction?

 

[momof7]

When the judge gave the schedule last week she said the jury would get the case today. I also think she said they would deliberate Monday. I'm thinking since court ALWAYS starts late, and since she won't have to do the jury instructions like she did yesterday that Nurmi could get his 5 hours (if that is the agreement for each side) that they could possibly start deliberating about 3:00 AZ time today.:twocents:

That is what I think as well. But doesn't JM get another go? The FINAL final closing argument?

K

 

[leebee52]

Will we ever get to see transcripts of sidebars?

 

[Ammonitida]

It's already been stated here at WS that the other Walmart didn't open until 2010.

If the defense tries to bring this up during closing, Juan needs to rebut buy using Jodi's own testimony.

Juan: And you returned the gas can to the same Walmart you bought it from, right?

Jodi, looking at the jury: Yes.

Juan: Because it was in the same general vicinity, right?

Jodi: Right.


That's transcribed testimony from her cross on the jury questions. She not only says yes to the first question, she further confirms it with her answer to the second question -- leaving little room for a "misspeak" excuse.

 

[Boodles]

This really ticks me off. Last night I watched a bit of HLN, and a female Def attorney from Ariz. suggested...well, I'll paraphrase what she said here:

" We've seen some crazy things happen in this trial, and I wouldn't be surprised if the Def makes a motion to "Have The Last Word", this judge has given in to them "

Now, in the past hour HLN is running the clip of this Sound-Bite, by this Talking Head, knowing that the Def Team monitors HLN, almost like she's telling them to request this....sickening

Ain't gonna happen...

 

[DebinGA]

Interesting. I wonder if ALV admitted to lying during that hearing, thereby opening the door for JM to repeatedly tell the jury she lied during his close? Being charged with perjury is certainly not something she would want made public (unless she wanted to add that small detail to her already questionable CV :floorlaugh.

Hope ALV's clients were watching yesterday. :floorlaugh:

ALV didn't produce a report, just her disjointed notes taken during her 44 hrs. with JA. She contradicted her notes on the stand re whether JA told her she shot Travis (rather than the gun going off accidentally), whether JA told her she shot him in the closet (rather than the bathroom), and perhaps more. To JM imo that disparity represented intentional lying. Ditto ALV's refusal to admit TA's written "I'm extremely afraid of Jodi" expressed how he felt at that time. IOW, ALV refused to believe both Travis' words and her own in service to JA.

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

Can someone fill me in on what happened with the surrebuttal witness?

Dr. G or the one JM was trying to bring in? If you are talking about Dr. G (Defense witness) here is a lovely summation of his testimony: :moo:

http://eggtreenews.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/geffner-wanders-in-from-the-fog/

And Good Morning everyone :seeya:

 

[Novice Seeker]

So which part do you think she would have received the perjury charge from? I know that she did not tell the truth regarding how many times she had testified, would that be enough to perjure her and then all of her testimony is basically 'fruit from the poison tree'. I know that is usually for unlawful search and seizure but the best comparison I can draw so early in the morning.

And yes, I am drinking coffee but I think I need stronger brew today!

K

Martinez specifically addressed the lie ALV gave on a jury question. ALV told the jurors that she had testified in at least 2 cases for men when in fact all she ever did was write a report which wasn't even used in the trial.

However, IIRC, our attorneys have explained several times that they didn't believe the closed hearing was for perjury bc this issue is usually dealt with in the way Martinez did yesterday which is pointing out that a witness had lied on the stand and therefor the jury can choose to dismiss her entire testimony.

So, I'm still suspicious that the closed hearing was for something much more serious than perjury. I'm prepared to beg any of my fellow WS'ers who live there to take one for the team and go to the courthouse and grab a copy of that hearing.lease:

 

[kaRN]

I wonder what was filed this morning?

Filing Date Description Docket Date Filing Party
5/3/2013 023 - ME: Order Entered By Court - Party (001) 5/3/2013
5/3/2013 029 - ME: Status Conference - Party (001) 5/3/2013

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.g...rtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2008-031021

My guess-
Mistrial for Prosecutorial Misconduct- JM is a mean man who said mean words about ALV making it impossible for us to defend Ms. Arias your honor. :scared: :floorlaugh:

 

[Thurston]

Jodi definitely said on the stand that she returned the gas can to the same Walmart.

You're right!

Can The State have Arias' testimony read back to verify Arias' sworn testimony about the gas can? Can The State have Arias' testimony read back to verify that Arias' sworn testimony states that as she is standing over her murder victim Travis Alexander's bloody body that she had not shot him ... yet?

I find it so disturbing that as Juan Martinez is speaking the truth during his opening testimony - not any speculative truth - the truth according Arias' sworn testimony - Arias responds to these truthful statements (again statements that she made during her trial) in a "not at all" manner.

Looking at Arias' courtroom behavior, and, not choosing to behave appropriate during The State's Closing is baffling to me. Arias, if she wanted to, could transform her courtroom behavior - Arias, if she wanted to could be: The Impeccable Defendant.

Instead Arias seems to only want to front "Anathema Arias."

 

[momof7]

and I didn't go back through all the other Minute Entries to check (since I thought this number was low) to see if perhaps this was final portion (not total for 5 months) of guilt phase. If AZLawyer checks in, maybe she will be able to clarify.

That was my thought as well. The number of hours seemed so low since we had been watching since the beginning of Feb. Its amazing to me personally that there have been only 100 hours total of trial time.

K

 

[SusieD]

You dont think JW realized all along what JA was? I often wonder what they think...how they live with themselves. It must take a special kind of personality to defend such evil... To knowingly defend a guilty person.

I know someone has to do it...but still.

I think in order to do that job one glosses over the facts, for lack of a better term, sort of a practiced denial. But i think JW glossed over a bit too much, that BFF act was repulsive, far beyond the call of duty IMO.

It seemed days, if not weeks, went by in the trial with no actual mention of the murder. Test this, score that, anal this, oral that, borderline this, PretendTsd that.... it would be easy for one to sort of forget exactly what she did.

There was a point there during Juan's closing where she looked like she got hit with a bat and maybe she was actually processing what Jodi did in those last few minutes of Travis's life. How could you not, that part, the description of the murder, was riveting.

 

[SCSam]

BBM

Wow, is there a way to find out for sure? lease:

Quote:
Originally Posted by amberjul
I really do believe that ALV has been charged with perjury. The defense didn't jump to object any of the times Juan called her out on being a LIAR. To me, that is telling. Also, Juan doesn't take kindly to lying. Thirdly, Alyce got a whoppin' so I hear while in chambers being questioned by Juan. I doubt Alyce with her pseudo freudian glasses and tweetie bird hairdo will be testifying in more trials anytime soon.

She just likes to be in the light so she can try to cast a REALLY BIG shadow, but ends up makin' stink all over the place instead.

I love Juan. He knows his .


I actually asked on Legal Thread this morning. Since JM publically called ALV a liar several times and really excoriated her, I wondered if this was a "concession" from what happened in chambers. Maybe a legal eagle passing through this thread will know if that is possible.

 

[corundogs]

I really do believe that ALV has been charged with perjury. The defense didn't jump to object any of the times Juan called her out on being a LIAR. To me, that is telling. Also, Juan doesn't take kindly to lying. Thirdly, Alyce got a whoppin' so I hear while in chambers being questioned by Juan. I doubt Alyce with her pseudo freudian glasses and tweetie bird hairdo will be testifying in more trials anytime soon.

She just likes to be in the light so she can try to cast a REALLY BIG shadow, but ends up makin' stink all over the place instead.

I love Juan. He knows his .

If she has been charged with perjury, then that would explain why they needed Dr. G so badly, too. To try to get it on record that she wasn't lying.

IMO.

 

[Boodles]

ALV didn't produce a report, just her disjointed notes taken during her 44 hrs. with JA. She contradicted her notes on the stand re whether JA told her she shot Travis (rather than the gun going off accidentally), whether JA told her she shot him in the closet (rather than the bathroom), and perhaps more. To JM imo that disparity represented intentional lying. Ditto ALV's refusal to admit TA's written "I'm extremely afraid of Jodi" expressed how he felt at that time. IOW, ALV refused to believe both Travis' words and her own in service to JA.

Regarding her refusal to admit that "I am extremely afraid" comment, she should have been held in contempt IYAM.

 

[Nhic]

Those are just minute entries. ME = Minute Entry If you go here and click on minute entry, you can see them.

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.gov/docket/CriminalCourtCases/Index.asp

Touching on minute entries this is from April 30:

The issues raised in the sealed pleading captioned Motion to Dismiss State’s Notice of Intent to Seek the Death Penalty: Speedy Trial and Effective Assistance of Counsel have been resolved. Accordingly,
IT IS ORDERED denying the Motion to Dismiss State’s Notice of Intent to Seek the Death Penalty: Speedy Trial and Effective Assistance of Counsel.


http://www.courtminutes.maricopa.gov/docs/Criminal/052013/m5750390.pdf

 

[Ricki]

Aren't we in the guilt phase now? With aggravation and mitigation phases to follow should there be a M1 conviction?

It is my understanding the State goes last. Juan, Nurmi, Juan