CNN News 1/1/09 (Videos Of Show Included)

[LEFT-COASTER]

Well. I thought of this all since last nite..
If LP had simply stated that JH and DC were there to find the body, I would have taken it as just one of his theorys like the Little econ that even he himself calls a fiasco. We all know that LP has had some theories that are way out there.
But anytime LP has stated that someoen told him something like the fbg or lee etc IT has been shown to be fact that it was said.
(Others backing him up etc,)
Since what he stated was that JH told him this and He called it in to the FBI, I would bet this was true that it was said to him. I dont think he would make things up and tell them to the FBI or LE.
Now that does not mean that what JH told him was in fact true, But I can't figure out why JH would say it to LP if it wasn't that would just be opening up a can of worms that would/ could get him (JH) in trouble. I would imagine that JH knows that what he would tell LP would be told and broadcast widely.
The question for me would be why JH told LP this. If its true to perhaps get some fame or money or something from the tape. If its not true why they went there but he told LP the reason he stated as a Lie its even more bizarre why he would say it.
It would be interesting to know what he told the FBI when they went to get the tape and the phone etc. It would seem to me that since this story that was told to LP involved cell phone calls. (DC calling JH to tell him to come with him,and or DC being on the phone while he was being taped and JH telling LP he was talking to Joy). The cell phone records of these two will im sure be looked at to see if calls were made. Also it would seem there would be sound on the tape that was made of the two guys talking which would shed some light on all this.

It will be interesting to see what all comes from all this that is proven true or false.

HOpe my post can be made some sense of, Its confusing even to type it will all the LP/ JH/ DC initals.. lol
IM going nutz i tell ya..

 

[natsound]

I agree with you that even though JB does not have an obligation to report to LE where the body is located he cannot do something like create a video of the spot to show the body is not there. That is 100% unethical. However, I don't think we should assume that JB is unethical just because he is defending KC. There sure seems to be a lot of people on here who dislike defense attorneys. They are not all bad.

warbuckle, thank you for your voice of reason! I feel the same way. We're not watching a Hollywood movie here. Why would JB risk his reputation and career in this very high-profile case, and go out and tamper? He's got his face on the map. I don't see what interest he would have in screwing it up by committing a crime.

I'm no lawyer... would JB really not be obligated to report to LE where the body is located? Why would that be obstruction of justice for others, but not for him just cuz he's KC's attorney?

 

[norr]

Discussing chloroform the other day, etc.... and I said I had never believed Casey used it on Caylee.... this poster explains it better than me repeating in my own words, so....

Quote:
bessie
And then there are those pesky computer searches.
And again, I go back to the fact that the computer searches coincided with Ricardo posting the "Win her over with chloroform" picture on his myspace, which incidentally appeared on several other myspace pages this past March. The image is one of a well-dressed gentleman getting ready to "assault" a well-dressed woman with a rag soaked with chloroform.

JWG
After the search for chloroform KC searches self-defense and views a book on women's self defense. That search spawns a search for household weapons and then finally neck-breaking and shovel. Along the way she stops to take a poll on zombies. All of this occurs in the span of 12 minutes.

So, is the only explanation for the searches one where KC is laying the foundation for a diabolical plan to be hatched three months into the future (based on 12 minutes of planning)? Or could it have been her trying to understand what the image was all about, what it could do to her should Ricardo have some and use it on her, and how she might go about defending herself...and then in twelve short minutes deciding it was not anything to worry about so why not go back to uploading photos to Photobucket?

 

[warbuckle]

warbuckle, that makes an iota of sense in all this confusion and madness. If true, then who knows where LP has been getting his version of the events (LP's version is FAR from clear, by the way).

My mother said if you can't say something nice about someone then don't say it at all. If you notice I have no comment for what I think about LP.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

What I think the As would get in the most trouble for is falsifying sitings in order to perserve a reasonable doubt among the public.

I would put nothing past them. I am sure LE wants to look into those only to determine if anyone from the A fam camp were in contact prior to the reports in any way.

 

[warbuckle]

warbuckle, thank you for your voice of reason! I feel the same way. We're not watching a Hollywood movie here. Why would JB risk his reputation and career in this very high-profile case, and go out and tamper? He's got his face on the map. I don't see what interest he would have in screwing it up by committing a crime.

I'm no lawyer... would JB really not be obligated to report to LE where the body is located? Why would that be obstruction of justice for others, but not for him just cuz he's KC's attorney?

I happen to be a lawyer and went to school in Florida, however, with that said my area of practice is NOT criminal law unless I am appointed by the court and have not choice.

So, if KC told JB where the body was then its priviledge info. He does not have a duty to reveal this information unless there is a crime in the process or a continuation of some type of crime. Since the murder already happened there is not current criminal activities taking place in which his client is apart of.

Also, it is a good thing someone else did find the body because this priviledge never goes away. Even if your client dies. There was a pretty famious case about this a while back. Can't remember the names, but there was a lady who told her attorney she was with a group of people who ran over a child. They freaked and hide the body. Her client I believe did serve time for the crime, but would never tell where the body was. Client died and Victims family wanted to know where the body was. Lawyer refused and it was a huge deal, but in the end. Lawyer was right. The rules of conduct do not stated the privilage ends with death.

More than you cared to know right?

By the way, for the record I am verified with Tricia!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

His explanation for checking out this site borders on silly and I don't buy it for one second. He is back-peddling so fast, he tripped himself up, IMO.

Kind of ironic, the defense was jumping up and down because they weren't allowed into the crime scene while it WAS being investigated, when in fact, they seem to have been aware of this location before the investigators.

Also leaves one to get a better understanding of the hue and cry to be present during the identification of what was then "small skeletal remains."

:clap::clap::clap: Interesting you would bring that up! They couldn't wait to get in there when the area was still "intact" to record what things looked like upon finding Caylee. Maybe they weren't only posturing as we thought and wanted to compare the photos/videotape from November. :waitasec:

 

[warbuckle]

Discussing chloroform the other day, etc.... and I said I had never believed Casey used it on Caylee.... this poster explains it better than me repeating in my own words, so....

That was awesome and yes I think that is very plausable.

BY THE WAY EVERYONE PLEASE FORGIVE MY HORRIBLE SPELLING. We need spell check/

 

[mountaintime]

Discussing chloroform the other day, etc.... and I said I had never believed Casey used it on Caylee.... this poster explains it better than me repeating in my own words, so....

Your post makes good sense...
BUT
The reason for the intense speculation about the chloroform search is the high
levels of chloroform found in the trunk with the decomp...
and ( I may be wrong...there has been sooooo much information), I seem to remember that she searched how to make it as well?

It is the combination of things that is so suspicious...

 

[Marina2]

I think KC was planning on telling someone where the body was. She asked the courts to allow her off of home confinement. Was this to point out where the remains were? When that didn't happen maybe she told someone, through Baez, to get a video of that general area and she would point out, on the video, where she placed the remains. This would explain Baez need to have a laptop when he visited KC. Otherwise, I can't understand why the PI taped the scene or why another PI snuck up on him and taped.

 

[warbuckle]

:clap::clap::clap: Interesting you would bring that up! They couldn't wait to get in there when the area was still "intact" to record what things looked like upon finding Caylee. Maybe they weren't only posturing as we thought and wanted to compare the photos/videotape from November. :waitasec:

I don't see it that way at all. I think the defense fells like they have been bullied by the state the entire time. Then JB had hired experts to look at the scene. I am guessing they would have wanted to see the untouched scene or at least look at it while the state was working it.

I would think he wanted to make sure the state processed everything correctly and have his experts there to make sure nothing in his clients best intrest was over looked.

You saw it once they released the scene, it was clean and looked nothing like the orginal crime scene. I wouldn't have gone their either. No point.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I happen to be a lawyer and went to school in Florida, however, with that said my area of practice is NOT criminal law unless I am appointed by the court and have not choice.

So, if KC told JB where the body was then its priviledge info. He does not have a duty to reveal this information unless there is a crime in the process or a continuation of some type of crime. Since the murder already happened there is not current criminal activities taking place in which his client is apart of.

Also, it is a good thing someone else did find the body because this priviledge never goes away. Even if your client dies. There was a pretty famious case about this a while back. Can't remember the names, but there was a lady who told her attorney she was with a group of people who ran over a child. They freaked and hide the body. Her client I believe did serve time for the crime, but would never tell where the body was. Client died and Victims family wanted to know where the body was. Lawyer refused and it was a huge deal, but in the end. Lawyer was right. The rules of conduct do not stated the privilage ends with death.

More than you cared to know right?

By the way, for the record I am verified with Tricia!

This part of the legal system needs to be changed. When an attorney is required by law to conceal the whereabouts of a body, there is a definite flaw in the system. Finding a victim and the truth should always weigh over the rights of a perp, imo.

 

[indicat]

That was awesome and yes I think that is very plausable.

BY THE WAY EVERYONE PLEASE FORGIVE MY HORRIBLE SPELLING. We need spell check/

I second the spell check! I have not had to spell without it for years!!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

SOMEONE KNEW.......just who or how many we are not sure yet.....

Exactly!! Thank You!! :clap::clap::clap:

 

[norr]

Your post makes good sense...
BUT
The reason for the intense speculation about the chloroform search is the high
levels of chloroform found in the trunk with the decomp...
and ( I may be wrong...there has been sooooo much information), I seem to remember that she searched how to make it as well?

It is the combination of things that is so suspicious...

Understand.

Would be interesting to know if any of her friends or boyfriends had chloroform.

 

[natsound]

I happen to be a lawyer and went to school in Florida, however, with that said my area of practice is NOT criminal law unless I am appointed by the court and have not choice.

So, if KC told JB where the body was then its priviledge info. He does not have a duty to reveal this information unless there is a crime in the process or a continuation of some type of crime. Since the murder already happened there is not current criminal activities taking place in which his client is apart of.

Also, it is a good thing someone else did find the body because this priviledge never goes away. Even if your client dies. There was a pretty famious case about this a while back. Can't remember the names, but there was a lady who told her attorney she was with a group of people who ran over a child. They freaked and hide the body. Her client I believe did serve time for the crime, but would never tell where the body was. Client died and Victims family wanted to know where the body was. Lawyer refused and it was a huge deal, but in the end. Lawyer was right. The rules of conduct do not stated the privilage ends with death.
More than you cared to know right?

By the way, for the record I am verified with Tricia!

Sounds like you make deals with the devil if you're a defense attorney. :furious: Thanks for the education.

 

[donnam]

Yes there is because he said on NG it was 600 yrds off.

Actually what I believe he said on NG was, that Gail was off by 600 yds and the PI was off by 100 yards.

 

[warbuckle]

Sounds like you make deals with the devil if you're a defense attorney. :furious: Thanks for the education.

I do wills and trusts and some real estate. However, I live in a small county in which there are not a lot of attorneys. Therefore we have to register on a list so that when someone cannot afford an attorney we get appointed. When this happens, I look at the evidence and speak to my client. I know it is hard to believe but there are people who are wrongly accused.

And I know this is even harder for those who hate defense attorneys, but there are those people who in fact are guilty but may have a mitigating factor or a justication in which they should not get the max penality.

I suppose it's one of those things people don't appreciate until they need someone fighting for them.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I don't see it that way at all. I think the defense fells like they have been bullied by the state the entire time. Then JB had hired experts to look at the scene. I am guessing they would have wanted to see the untouched scene or at least look at it while the state was working it.

I would think he wanted to make sure the state processed everything correctly and have his experts there to make sure nothing in his clients best intrest was over looked.

You saw it once they released the scene, it was clean and looked nothing like the orginal crime scene. I wouldn't have gone their either. No point.

When is the defense team invited in while LE is actively working a crime scene or a dump site? It is my understanding that legally they have no right to be involved as it is part of the ongoing investigation.

 

[absolut_alexis]

I happen to be a lawyer and went to school in Florida, however, with that said my area of practice is NOT criminal law unless I am appointed by the court and have not choice.

So, if KC told JB where the body was then its priviledge info. He does not have a duty to reveal this information unless there is a crime in the process or a continuation of some type of crime. Since the murder already happened there is not current criminal activities taking place in which his client is apart of. (snipped)

Isn't continuing to let them look for her "alive" daughter when she knows where she put the body a continuation of her obstruction of justice crime?