CNN News 1/1/09 (Videos Of Show Included)

[warbuckle]

Interesting. Maybe that's what Baez is worried about. Let's say DC got that info through Baez, would it be considered hearesay? Or would DC have to actually be in the same room as Baez and Casey?

Also, given what we know now. Do you think that Baez will go with the Nanny did it defense at trial? And will he need to show that the nanny was a real person by throwing a real person under the bus, like AH or RG? I remember Geragos never said anything more about the traveling van gypsies after his opening argument because he had no proof they were real.

So, If I were Baez I would not have told the PI what he was looking for but just paid him to go videotape the area. The problem I see is if I hired someone to video tape an area that I knew my client had disposed of the body then it would be reasonable to assume the PI would find the body. If the PI found the body then he could go to LE and report it.

The other possiblity is that JB was dumb enough to go tell the PI that he wanted him to film a place where his client said she dumped the body, but to make sure he doesn't get the body on film because he is trying to prove the body wasn't there when they actually find it. Seriously doubt this happened.

 

[SuziQ]

The problem with this whole mess is you have LP saying he heard from one else about this. So where is the tape. Let's see it. If it can't be produced then to me it kinda sounds like LP is trying to keep the sunsationalism going. I mean it has spurred gossip since Caylee was found. I am sure every time LP is on NG he is collecting a paycheck.

Except DC admits the tape was made at that location. For that reason I remove LP from the equation, because it doesn't change that fact.

 

[creativeamanda]

Isn't continuing to let them look for her "alive" daughter when she knows where she put the body a continuation of her obstruction of justice crime?

No, he is not representing the As. Any info KC told him he would not be allowed to disclose to the As. So if the As did know the body was there because KC told them via letter then yes the As might possiblely be obstruction justice, but KC or JB are not.

It would be difficult to prove that JB told the A's anything that KC stated. However, I have my own concerns regarding the relationship between KC and JB. Is there no law preventing a less than professional relationship between attorney and client? IMO, a court-appointed attorney would be better for KC than JB, but she continues to use him. Possibly it's because she already told him too much?

Well, I personally would not do that if in fact I knew she was dead and my client did it.

Again, a lot of people are mesmirized by KC. I think we can count JB among them. I think the telling part is when KC tells LA "she's close". I think some of those taped police dept conversations especially between LA and KC are conveluted messages. I still think that is why LA went under wraps for such a long time. We didn't see him for a while, did we? What better way to keep the public eye of you than to not bring attention to yourself. . .stay under cover? Either way, perhaps one of the A's (presumably Lee) got a message in to JB to ask about locations. Perhaps JB did not even know about Caylee's location until that day that she was found. I think KC has done a good job on him. After all, who is the only person she wanted to see after Caylee was found? JB.

Maybe it was out of shame that she did not want to see her family pastor, but not to even want to spend time with the chaplain at the jail?

Why would 2 guys show up at a place to take photos or film on the same day at the same time, when they weren't working together, or for the defense, to document the presence or absence of litter left behind by partying teens? What's the point? Why would the former defense PI tell the other guy that to film this junk or it's absence would be inappropriate? Supposedly, it wasn't known at the time to be Caylee's resting place. It seems nonsensical. They all need to shut up and stop inviting suspicion on themselves if they don't want it.

I agree.

 

[Bobby62]

I happen to be a lawyer and went to school in Florida, however, with that said my area of practice is NOT criminal law unless I am appointed by the court and have not choice.

So, if KC told JB where the body was then its priviledge info. He does not have a duty to reveal this information unless there is a crime in the process or a continuation of some type of crime. Since the murder already happened there is not current criminal activities taking place in which his client is apart of.

Also, it is a good thing someone else did find the body because this priviledge never goes away. Even if your client dies. There was a pretty famious case about this a while back. Can't remember the names, but there was a lady who told her attorney she was with a group of people who ran over a child. They freaked and hide the body. Her client I believe did serve time for the crime, but would never tell where the body was. Client died and Victims family wanted to know where the body was. Lawyer refused and it was a huge deal, but in the end. Lawyer was right. The rules of conduct do not stated the privilage ends with death.

More than you cared to know right?

By the way, for the record I am verified with Tricia!

Blued by me

I am sure that lawyer splained it all to his buds how he was legally right. Prolly even had a smug, self righteous look on his face. It was morally wrong though. I am sure when he is burning in hell for it that he will reconsider that maybe this small child deserved a decent burial and loving send-off from his/her family. Surely there was an anonymous way to let the family know where their little one was that could have satisfied his self righteous needs.

I am sure you are a good attorney and fine human being. Your presence here dictates that you have some caring and compassion in your heart. The fact that you avoid criminal law shows your disdain for lying to retrieve freedom for guilty pond scum. I applaud you.

I reckon that other feller needs to be drug out in the street and horse whipped, then run over and hidden.

 

[sweetmop]

George and CIndy may be quite unique and different in alot of ways from me, and I haven't agreed with their handling of this terribly sad situation.Nor have I agreed with the way they have dealt with their evil daughter!
But I really find it hard to even fathom for a minute that they knew that their beloved little grandaughter was dead, thrown away like garbage, and it was ok with them to have her lay out there for months! All the while parading around the country proclaiming that Caylee's alive!
I just can not believe it until I see the proof of it. Surely to God they couldn't be ok with something as sick and as gruesome as that!

 

[sweetmop]

Do any of you know if this special on CNN will be on again?

 

[Jolynna]

The problem with this whole mess is you have LP saying he heard from someone else about this. So where is the tape. Let's see it. If it can't be produced then to me it kinda sounds like LP is trying to keep the sunsationalism going. I mean it has spurred gossip since Caylee was found. I am sure every time LP is on NG he is collecting a paycheck.

I thought one of the news outlets saw a minute or so of the tape and because of identifying the fence the news outlet said the tape seemed authentic?

 

[debs]

Why would 2 guys show up at a place to take photos or film on the same day at the same time, when they weren't working together, or for the defense, to document the presence or absence of litter left behind by partying teens? What's the point? Why would the former defense PI tell the other guy that to film this junk or it's absence would be inappropriate? Supposedly, it wasn't known at the time to be Caylee's resting place. It seems nonsensical. They all need to shut up and stop inviting suspicion on themselves if they don't want it.

It would be my guess that one hand was not only hoping to wash the other but determined that the other needed a tail to see just why it was getting dirty.

 

[doogiesgirl]

Well DC explaination as to why he was out there sounds bogus to me. He was hired by the A's to look for a live Caylee and supposedly they had several leads according to CA. I can't imagine DC spending time trying to prove that this area was a teen hangout instead of following up on live Caylee leads. What does it matter if its a teen hangout when you are looking for a kidnapped child? So this doesn't float for me. I believe he is "mis-speaking" to use an A term. MOO

JH, now this guy, he is questionable. From what I've been able to find out about him(which isn't much) he very well may have followed this DC to this area but then I have to ask why would he video tape this area out of all the areas if he didn't have some kind of inside info. He may just be trying to make a few bucks out of this or he and his wife may just have some issues??? MOO

Watching LP on the vidoe Patty put up I have to say he sounds sincere. I know there are two possible ways I react when I am telling the truth and getting flack back. I either stay cool and think to myself "go ahead make an azz out of yourself, when the truth comes out, you'll feel like a fool" or I get angry. IDK, I believe this JH told LP everything LP said. Whether JH's version is true, I doubt. But I think he did tell LP that DC called him, they went to the area, he videotaped it, etc.

The real question is how did this DC know to go there? It had to have come from one of three places, either KC/JB, LA or CA. My best guess right now is LA. MOO

 

[manatee]

George and CIndy may be quite unique and different in alot of ways from me, and I haven't agreed with their handling of this terribly sad situation.Nor have I agreed with the way they have dealt with their evil daughter!
But I really find it hard to even fathom for a minute that they knew that their beloved little grandaughter was dead, thrown away like garbage, and it was ok with them to have her lay out there for months! All the while parading around the country proclaiming that Caylee's alive!
I just can not believe it until I see the proof of it. Surely to God they couldn't be ok with something as sick and as gruesome as that!

It could be, though, that they were trying to retrieve her to put her somewhere else that was not so daming for KC and more likely that someone else did it. Have someone else find her and then they could bury her.

 

[indicat]

Actually what I believe he said on NG was, that Gail was off by 600 yds and the PI was off by 100 yards.

Thanks for clarifying, I did get all the names and numbers off.

 

[SuziQ]

warbuckle, do you think Baez will still use the nanny did it defense at trial? And if he does, will he have to translate nanny into a real person by actually saying nanny was AH, JG, RG or one of the others players? I can't imagine he can use a defense and produce imaginary facts to prove an imaginary nanny exists.

 

[madeleine]

warbuckle, do you think Baez will still use the nanny did it defense at trial? And if he does, will he have to translate nanny into a real person by actually saying nanny was AH, JG, RG or one of the others players? I can't imagine he can use a defense and produce imaginary facts to prove an imaginary nanny exists.

I think they dropped the nanny story.Wondering what we will hear next....

 

[creativeamanda]

Blued by me

I am sure that lawyer splained it all to his buds how he was legally right. Prolly even had a smug, self righteous look on his face. It was morally wrong though. I am sure when he is burning in hell for it that he will reconsider that maybe this small child deserved a decent burial and loving send-off from his/her family. Surely there was an anonymous way to let the family know where their little one was that could have satisfied his self righteous needs.

I am sure you are a good attorney and fine human being. Your presence here dictates that you have some caring and compassion in your heart. The fact that you avoid criminal law shows your disdain for lying to retrieve freedom for guilty pond scum. I applaud you.

I reckon that other feller needs to be drug out in the street and horse whipped, then run over and hidden.

An attorney at any time can choose not to defend someone if they were not court appointed if they feel they cannot in good conscience. I think this is what MN did with the A's. He was probably like, "Woah, there's more going on here than I want to stake my reputation on/need to have on my record/can morally do." I applaud him for it. Naturally, he can't say what he knows. If JB is not court appointed, but continues to defend KC, then we know that she's got a massive hold on him. Or he's hoping to be the defense lawyer of this century.

 

[manatee]

An attorney at any time can choose not to defend someone if they were not court appointed if they feel they cannot in good conscience. I think this is what MN did with the A's. He was probably like, "Woah, there's more going on here than I want to stake my reputation on/need to have on my record/can morally do." I applaud him for it. Naturally, he can't say what he knows. If JB is not court appointed, but continues to defend KC, then we know that she's got a massive hold on him. Or he's hoping to be the defense lawyer of this century.

that's the thing. MN is well known, well established and respected attorney. JB had nothing before. he was no one...any publicity is better than none for some. At least people know who he is now.:waitasec:

 

[TxLady2]

ITA-LP's no shrinking violet!! This is the CNN thread and LP was a major player today. So, I think it's appropriate that LP and his revelations are discussed. We haven't forgotten Caylee! Some of our families might say we have forgotten them!!
Here's what I wonder-Suppose they had found Caylee! What would they have done next? Called LE, Called JB, Called the A's, Called BC or try to move her somewhere?:waitasec:

Well, LP has been right about some things he said. On HLN yesterday he said Casey lived her life 10 minutes at a time. True dat.
I think we can all take him with a grain of salt... maybe a whole bucket full. When he says some things and doesn't say it's fact, I count it as a theory. When he says something and says it IS a fact.. it usually is.
I can understand some not liking or trusting him, and some who do. Doesn't matter, he is part of the case and like it or not, he will be on these news shows, because the majority of the audience want him there, and he keeps the ratings up.
I can't stand Gloria Allred, but she appears on NG quite often and is well respected by her peers, for some reason. But I don't email the networks insisting that they never invite her anymore. We don't have to like everyone who appears as guests, do we?

 

[OneLostGrl]

She's the kooky blonde that was at JBP, and on her chatango she told everyone her hubby was one of the PIs.

That lady that kept showing up everywhere??

 

[Jolynna]

Like I said if I knew for a fact that my client killed their daughter then it would be a mistruth to state otherwise. So I would think it would be both, unethical and OJ. But you would have to prove JB had a confession from KC which would be extremely hard to do.

If nothing from P.I. Casey or Hoover pertaining to Caylee's gravesite came from Casey (directly or otherwise) how does the P.I.'s testimony about being there fall under "privilege"?

Reading Kio's documents (which have been made available to any and ALL) certainly wouldn't make the P.I.s search "privileged".

If the reason the P.I.s were filming Caylee's gravesite was "work product" doesn't that support a "privileged source" telling someone that SOMETHING might be there?

Lots of people reported SEEING Casey in June...at Fusian,Target, the Anthony garage, Amy's apt., Tony's apt. & parking lot, Blanchard, back and forth to the airport, the two roadside spottings where Casey wore hats...why didn't the P.I.s video any of THOSE sites?????

How come they picked the site where Caylee's skull and bones were found? And how come Baez is saying THAT site is work product when he was also running around saying Caylee is alive and Casey is 100% innocent?

 

[creativeamanda]

The real question is how did this DC know to go there? It had to have come from one of three places, either KC/JB, LA or CA. My best guess right now is LA. MOO

That has been my dh's theory for a while now--actually from the beginning. When he hired an attorney for himself after being hidden for so long, I started believing dh.

George and CIndy may be quite unique and different in alot of ways from me, and I haven't agreed with their handling of this terribly sad situation.Nor have I agreed with the way they have dealt with their evil daughter!
But I really find it hard to even fathom for a minute that they knew that their beloved little grandaughter was dead, thrown away like garbage, and it was ok with them to have her lay out there for months! All the while parading around the country proclaiming that Caylee's alive!
I just can not believe it until I see the proof of it. Surely to God they couldn't be ok with something as sick and as gruesome as that!

I don't think they've known where she was until just before she was found and even then they weren't sure--I think the PI was keeping information from them and they (the PIs) maybe did some things that the A's did not know about. Or maybe they did not want to know. But their attorney knew something and wanted out of dodge real quickly.

What really strikes me is this: I still believe Patsy Ramsey killed JonBenet in a fit of anger. But the difference in this case and that is striking--JonBenet was wrapped as if she was cared for in death. Caylee was thrown in a garbage bag and tossed for the animals. KC was either high, a psychotic, or both. Either way, Caylee deserved better than that.

 

[TxLady2]

Someone quoted that maybe GA could have moved the body on another thread. I dont see this possible. Because the news Media was on them 24/7. But I do recall a few days there that GA was Missing. No sign of GA.
Just say that the Body was found by GA in Oct. He tipped the Meter Reader or somebody did to call LE and have them Check out this area. They never did. GA knowing Caylees body was out there. He could have gone back and wrapped the Body in duct tape and trash bags to keep the bugs off of her and keep the birds from trying to peck.
Then he waits, and waits. No search of the area. They tip JB where the body may be he sends a PI out there and while video taping they find a body. The Meter Reader is alerted again to call LE again. (NO SEARCH). Then the Meter Reader calls again and says I have found a BODY to get them out there. But GA would have been smart enough to get rid of DUCT TAPE AND TRASH BAGS.

Per bolded: Except that the meter reader called 3 times in August.