CO - 3 killed in shootout near/at Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs, 27 Nov 2015 *Arrest*

[Montjoy]

Thanx for sharing, octobermoon..
Who couldn't see this coming? Peeping Tom, rage, abusive to animals, abusive to women, antisocial personality, sudden unexplained move to CO leaving everything behind, etc.. Imo, there will be much more revealed about Dear's past in the days to come. The writing is on the wall and the devil in the details..

<snipped from link>
On Nov. 29, 1992, Dear showed up to the woman&#8217;s house while she attempted to take out the trash, according to the police report.

&#8220;The suspect then allegedly put a knife to the victim&#8217;s neck and forced her back inside her residence,&#8221; the report states. &#8220;The suspect then allegedly forced the victim down into the couch, struck her in the mouth with his fist, and then sexually assaulted her.&#8221;

The woman reported to police that the sexual assault continued on the floor near a coffee table before Dear dragged her to a bedroom and continued the assault on a bed.

Oh, I agree. But by the same token, hindsight is 20/20, and we can't incarcerate people extrajudicially for crimes that we fear they may commit in the future. It's really tragic that so many of the previous court cases against him fell apart. What's more, many if not most Americans have serious opposition to public health spending, and public mental health spending of the sort that would be needed to take care of Dear is expensive, and way down the list of most people's priorities. The damage that Reagan did to the public mental health system -- as a means of appearing to save money -- has likely caused far more heartache and expense than the previous (still underfunded) system did.

e.g.,
http://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homeless_mental_illness/
http://www.sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas.html

 

[bluesneakers]

Re BBM

Agree with the whole post and the bolded part reminded me of something that fits right in about how hard it is to identify some disturbed people who could be dangerous from those that are harmless.

I spent some years in NYC and if anyone has ever been there you know it really is quite a fascinating city. Some blocks get their own little subculture to them and you get to know people living in your block and even some close surrounding blocks sometimes. One summer I had a relative visit that had never been to NYC and I volunteered to help show her around.

One morning we took a walk down the street to some nice stores that were close by. As we approached the corner, I made a terrible mistake. I saw him standing there and didn't think twice to warn my friend because I was so used to him. I had become accustomed to "Crazy Joe" and how he would scream and cuss at the top of his lungs at whoever passed near him.

Well, we got within about 20 feet of him and "Crazy Joe" let loose with one of his tirades directed at us. My friend panicked and ran back towards my apartment. I had to chase her down, calm her down, and convince her that "Crazy Joe" was harmless and we could walk past him on the other side of the street and we just have to ignore him.

"Crazy Joe" was a fixture on that corner for many years. He was totally harmless and the rumors were that he had received medical help many times. He enjoyed staying on the corner and occasionally berating people as they walked passed. It was what he did. He enjoyed it and for the most part our small community left him alone as we all got to know him.

The mistake I made was forgetting that an outsider would not recognize that there was no danger whatsoever.

This real life example shows how it can be difficult to recognize whether a mentally disturbed person is either harmful or totally harmless.

Most people mental illness show no outward signs of being ill and we see them and deal with them every day without even knowing it. People who resemble "Crazy Joe" are sick and need compassion and care. There's no reason to go around trying to categorize people with mental illnesses as harmful or harmless any more than there is to categorizing every one as harmful or harmless.

(I'm not suggesting you don't do this, but your story made me think about it.)

 

[borndem]

The article I linked to has a LOT of information, including the reasoning (if you can call it that) behind rampage and mass shootings and a list of what we shouldn't do. Which is basically everything we do.

It's long and if I were to copy and paste all the interesting, relevant parts I would end up copying and pasting the entire thing

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303309504579181702252120052

Wow, 'sneakers, great article. Thanks for finding and linking it for us.

So much of what was said in the article is what some of us have either been posting or certainly thinking.

This whole event reminded me of the <no name > guy in Aurora, Co. I, along with many other WS'ers followed that situation closely. And this situation, for me, is quite reminiscent of it. I strongly agree that the perpetrator not be given a name in the news, but of course this goes against the public's right to know and the reporter's right to tell a free society what is happening. A real conundrum, IMO.

"The whole world will know my name by the end of the 6:00pm news tomorrow," or words to the same effect.

And, as the author of article states, if this person has any written accounts of his/her feelings and complaints against society or politicians, professors, parents, co-workers, etc., etc., those things -- "the manifesto" -- should not be made public since it gives voice to what can be wild and possibly dangerous rantings and directives. So who is to say when or if to release that info?

What to do, what to do? It seems this guy in this case may have a definite agenda, but it could also be that he may have a new one tomorrow.

And it seems that this type event is happening more often. Why?

Just questions -- no answers from me.

Please excuse the rambling. Just trying to deal with all this from afar. But it could happen again to anyone, anywhere tomorrow or the day after.

 

[Chuz Life]

Oh, I agree. But by the same token, hindsight is 20/20, and we can't incarcerate people extrajudicially for crimes that we fear they may commit in the future. It's really tragic that so many of the previous court cases against him fell apart. What's more, many if not most Americans have serious opposition to public health spending, and public mental health spending of the sort that would be needed to take care of Dear is expensive, and way down the list of most people's priorities. The damage that Reagan did to the public mental health system -- as a means of appearing to save money -- has likely caused far more heartache and expense than the previous (still underfunded) system did.

e.g.,
http://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homeless_mental_illness/
http://www.sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas.html

How can Regan be blamed for the entire decline when he wasn't even in office as the Governor of California when the decline began?

Personally, I'm more inclined to go with the facts as presented by the NY Times than I am from a rag like "Salon.com"

 

[CSIDreamer]

Wow, 'sneakers, great article. Thanks for finding and linking it for us.

So much of what was said in the article is what some of us have either been posting or certainly thinking.

This whole event reminded me of the <no name > guy in Aurora, Co. I, along with many other WS'ers followed that situation closely. And this situation, for me, is quite reminiscent of it. I strongly agree that the perpetrator not be given a name in the news, but of course this goes against the public's right to know and the reporter's right to tell a free society what is happening. A real conundrum, IMO.

"The whole world will know my name by the end of the 6:00pm news tomorrow," or words to the same effect.

And, as the author of article states, if this person has any written accounts of his/her feelings and complaints against society or politicians, professors, parents, co-workers, etc., etc., those things -- "the manifesto" -- should not be made public since it gives voice to what can be wild and possibly dangerous rantings and directives. So who is to say when or if to release that info?

What to do, what to do? It seems this guy in this case may have a definite agenda, but it could also be that he may have a new one tomorrow.

And it seems that this type event is happening more often. Why?

Just questions -- no answers from me.

Please excuse the rambling. Just trying to deal with all this from afar. But it could happen again to anyone, anywhere tomorrow or the day after.

BBM. I was wondering about this the other day. I feel like we're going backwards instead of forward as a society. The internet can be (and is) a great tool to enhance our lives. Look at us here. And phones, same thing. What an enhancement. But, they've also replaced real living and breathing community for so many people. I'm well aware mental illness has been around forever. But back in the day ... there was community right there next to you. I believe, as a whole, we've lost touch with the ability to really communicate and reach out in meaningful ways. Obviously, not everyone wants to be part of a community and shuns it altogether.

Case in point. In August I started having family dinner nights at my house. Anywhere from 10 - 20 people come for dinner every Tuesday evening. For at least the first month, we (me too!) were on our phones most of the time. It's taken awhile for all of us to remember how to talk ... the kind where you just open your mouth and use your vocal cords. Very sad. But true.

In other words, we just aren't paying attention to people anymore until they do something to GET our attention.

Just something I was thinking about.

 

[angelainwi]

Oh, I agree. But by the same token, hindsight is 20/20, and we can't incarcerate people extrajudicially for crimes that we fear they may commit in the future. It's really tragic that so many of the previous court cases against him fell apart. What's more, many if not most Americans have serious opposition to public health spending, and public mental health spending of the sort that would be needed to take care of Dear is expensive, and way down the list of most people's priorities. The damage that Reagan did to the public mental health system -- as a means of appearing to save money -- has likely caused far more heartache and expense than the previous (still underfunded) system did.

e.g.,
http://www.salon.com/2013/09/29/ronald_reagans_shameful_legacy_violence_the_homeless_mental_illness/
http://www.sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas.html

If we spent as much money and efforts on mental health as we do our pay for profit prison system..well ...never mind

 

[bluesneakers]

Wow, 'sneakers, great article. Thanks for finding and linking it for us.

So much of what was said in the article is what some of us have either been posting or certainly thinking.

This whole event reminded me of the <no name > guy in Aurora, Co. I, along with many other WS'ers followed that situation closely. And this situation, for me, is quite reminiscent of it. I strongly agree that the perpetrator not be given a name in the news, but of course this goes against the public's right to know and the reporter's right to tell a free society what is happening. A real conundrum, IMO.

"The whole world will know my name by the end of the 6:00pm news tomorrow," or words to the same effect.

And, as the author of article states, if this person has any written accounts of his/her feelings and complaints against society or politicians, professors, parents, co-workers, etc., etc., those things -- "the manifesto" -- should not be made public since it gives voice to what can be wild and possibly dangerous rantings and directives. So who is to say when or if to release that info?

What to do, what to do? It seems this guy in this case may have a definite agenda, but it could also be that he may have a new one tomorrow.

And it seems that this type event is happening more often. Why?

Just questions -- no answers from me.

Please excuse the rambling. Just trying to deal with all this from afar. But it could happen again to anyone, anywhere tomorrow or the day after.

Same for me. And every time I think I've got something answered it just raises more questions.

What I took from the article makes me think it's happening more often because it's happening more often.

 

[margarita25]

&#8207;@postandcourier
BREAKING: Accused #PlannedParenthood shooter charged with rape in #NorthCharleston in 1992. http://bit.ly/21pKCfS

[video=twitter;671464112606601216]https://twitter.com/postandcourier/status/671464112606601216[/video]

Well well, knew that was coming...

What else, Dear?

 

[Foxfire]

Serial killers are not the same as mass shooters. Please don&#8217;t put them in the same category. <modsnip> I doubt he is even looking for notoriety. He is just filled with rage for the government. He is more like Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols then a serial killer.

Respectfully, I think Foxfire knows the different classifications, we've only been discussing "spree shootings" vs "rampage shootings" vs "serial killers", etc etc for months, complete with FBI links and classifications. He answered my question which was "is it likely that this recent rampage shooting is a crime of escalation, as seen in other types of crimes". He also prefaced his opinion with words like "prerequisites" and "likely". I appreciate any insight Foxfire has to offer, I think he has studied enough serial killers, AND actively participated in NoCo and here to be able to offer a valuable opinion, imo. In addition, we do not know that any of the other shootings around here are not politically motivated as well.

Well well, knew that was coming...

What else, Dear?

Well, margarita25, imo Robert Lewis Dear, is an anomaly, and is no stranger to the game of the murder of unsuspecting innocent victims for many reasons. Imo, at the age of 57 he didn't just wake up one day and decide to go to the Planned Parenthood facility with an arsenal of weapons, IEDs, and ammunition and unleash terror on random victims, Law Enforcement, and the entire Colorado Springs community and beyond. Imo, a very dark and bleak portrait of his past is beginning to emerge and it would be logical to conclude that he is likely involved in some, if not many of the unsolved murders and shooting incidents in Colorado.

Mass murderers, unlike serial killers, kill a large number of people, typically at the same time in a single location. With some exceptions, many mass murders end with the death of the perpetrators, either by self-infliction or by law enforcement. According to Dr. Michael Stone, professor of psychiatry at Columbia, mass murderers are generally dissatisfied people, and have poor social skills and few friends. Generally the motives of mass murderers are less obvious than those of serial killers. According to Stone, 96.5% of mass murderers are male, and a majority of them are not clinically psychotic. Rather than being a psychopath like most serial killers, mass murderers tend to be paranoid individuals with acute behavioral or social disorders. Similar to serial killers, mass murderers also display psychopathic tendencies, such as being cruel, manipulative, and un-compassionate. However, most mass murderers are social misfits or loners who were just pushed over an edge by some uncontrollable event.

Serial killers and mass murderers often display the same characteristics of manipulation and lack of empathy. What differentiates the two is the timing and numbers of the murders. Serial killers commit murder over a long period of time, and often in different places, while mass murderers kill within a single location and time-frame.
http://www.crimemuseum.org/crime-library/serials-killers-vs-mass-murderers
__________________

FBI Serial Murder - NCAVC/BAU 2 & 3 Symposium September 2, 2005
https://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/serial-murder

Message from Director Mueller
Every day, law enforcement officers across America are called to respond to murders. Each homicide case is tragic, but there are few cases more heartrending and more difficult to understand than serial murder.

II. Definition of Serial Murder

In the past thirty years, multiple definitions of serial murder have been used by law enforcement, clinicians, academia, and researchers. While these definitions do share several common themes, they differ on specific requirements, such as the number of murders involved, the types of motivation, and the temporal aspects of the murders. To address these discrepancies, attendees at the Serial Murder Symposium examined the variations in order to develop a single definition for serial murder.

The validity of spree murder as a separate category was discussed at great length. The general definition of spree murder is two or more murders committed by an offender or offenders, without a cooling-off period. According to the definition, the lack of a cooling-off period marks the difference between a spree murder and a serial murder.
Because it creates arbitrary guidelines, the confusion surrounding this concept led the majority of attendees to advocate disregarding the use of spree murder as a separate category. The designation does not provide any real benefit for use by law enforcement.

The different discussion groups at the Symposium agreed on a number of similar factors to be included in a definition. These included:

&#8226; one or more offenders
&#8226; two or more murdered victims
&#8226; incidents should be occurring in separate events, at different times
&#8226; the time period between murders separates serial murder from mass murder

In combining the various ideas put forth at the Symposium, the following definition was crafted:

Serial Murder: The unlawful killing of two or more victims by the same offender(s), in separate events.
<snipped - read more>

 

[CARIIS]

Oh my, I thought the charge was odd -

(b) the complainant is at least 13 years of age but less than 16 years of age and the actor is more than 48 months older than the complainant and in a position of authority over the complainant

I was not sure which location to look at btut.........................

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.342

 

[CARIIS]

Most people mental illness show no outward signs of being ill and we see them and deal with them every day without even knowing it. People who resemble "Crazy Joe" are sick and need compassion and care. There's no reason to go around trying to categorize people with mental illnesses as harmful or harmless any more than there is to categorizing every one as harmful or harmless.

(I'm not suggesting you don't do this, but your story made me think about it.)

Totally,and IMO bipolar is the most misrepresented . Media treat it as a single entity. All illness have like subcategories.

Think of it as ice cream flavors. They are all ice cream, but markedly different.

There is only flavor of bipolar that has a psychotic piece to. Media often attributes like out of control folks as bipolar when the reality is , it, is a totlly different mental illiness. So those suffering with it , are often thought not to be siffering, unless talking to trees.

Most of the bipolar's I worked with were wildly bright, engaging, creative. The facts bare this out. Most of mine were highly educated, and performing well in fields, as they got older the illness impacted those areas increasingly.

I so agree with blue, all I am trying to say is mental illiness is not solely a screaming out of control "lunitic"! I see it all the time in the stories we cover here , unless they are talking to things - they are not mentally ill.

IMO, Holmes, Lanza , Rodgers, and the guy involved with the congressmen, were proven to be very ill, and in all likelihood their illness had very much to do with the crimes.

I think a lot of folks think that it is "making excuses" . It is not, it is acknowledging, that there factors, other than "evil" at work. The mentally ill are not evil, they are ill, just like cancer. All I am saying.

There is no copyright stuff with this:

• Bipolar I disorder involves periods of severe mood episodes from mania to depression.
• Bipolar II disorder is a milder form of mood elevation, involving milder episodes of hypomania that alternate with periods of severe depression.
• Cyclothymic disorder describes periods of hypomania with brief periods of depression that are not as extensive or long-lasting as seen in full depressive episodes.
• "Mixed features"refers to the occurrence of simultaneous symptoms of opposite mood polarities during manic, hypomanic or depressive episodes. It's marked by high energy, sleeplessness, and racing thoughts. At the same time, the person may feel hopeless, despairing, irritable, and suicidal.
• Rapid-cycling is a term that describes havingfour or more mood episodes within a 12-month period. Episodes must last for some minimum number of days in order to be considered distinct episodes. Some people also experience changes in polarity from high to low or vice-versa within a single week, or even within a single day -- the full symptom profile that defines distinct, separate episodes may not be present (for example, the person may not have a decreased need for sleep), making such "ultra-rapid" cycling a more controversial phenomenon. Rapid cycling can occur at any time in the course of illness, although some researchers believe that it may be more common at later points in the lifetime duration of illness. Women appear more likely than men to have rapid cycling. A rapid-cycling pattern increases risk for severe depression and suicide attempts. Antidepressants m

those with bipolar illness appear to be disproportionately concentrated in the most creative occupational category.” They also found that the likelihood of “engaging in creative activities on the job” is significantly higher for bipolar than nonbipolar workers.

It is well-established that people with affective disorders tend to be overrepresented in the creative artist population (especially those with bipolar disorder). Bipolar disorder may carry certain advantages for creativity, especially in those who have milder symptoms.”

links high childhood IQ to an increased risk of experiencing manic bipolar traits in later life.

Abraham Lincoln, Winston Churchill, Leo Tolstoy and Vincent van Gogh. However, unlike Peladeau, Pezim, Turner and others, many high-achieving businesspeople don't realize they're manic depressive. On average, it takes 10 years from the onset of the illness for a manic depressive to receive a correct diagnosis. In the interim, some of them do very well in business.

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2015/aug/19/intelligence-creativity-and-bipolar-disorder-may-share-underlying-genetics

http://psychcentral.com/lib/the-link-between-bipolar-disorder-and-creativity/

http://www.encognitive.com/node/667

http://www.webmd.com/bipolar-disorder/guide/bipolar-disorder-forms

 

[CARIIS]

QUOTE=margarita25;12217817]Well well, knew that was coming...

What else, Dear?[/QUOTE]
I

A comprehesive , I think , look at his record - why the one we are talking about has not shown up is ?

several misdemeanor traffic violations, including speeding, a seat-belt violation, driving an unregistered vehicle, and operating a vehicle in unsafe mechanical condition.
with two counts of cruelty to animals in 2002, but was found not guilty in a bench trial.
He was also hit with "peeping Tom" and eavesdropping charges in 2002 in Colleton County. n Rto the victim [Roberts]. "had been making unwanted advancements
"Memorial day weekend last year, 2001, Mr. Dear in the bushes by their house," a report of the incident reads.
A restraining order was also filed against Dear by Roberts in 2002.
The peeping-Tom and restraining-order charges were later dismissed.
Dear was also involved in at least two altercations that never reached the court system. The Daily Beast obtained police records that show that in 1997 his wife, Pam, called police s.
In September 2004, a neighbor named Douglas Moore reported to police that Dear had threatened him. Dear "told him that he was going to do bodily harm to him because the suspect thought the victim pushed his motorcycle over on the ground," l.
No further details have bQUOTE=margarita25;12217817]Well well, knew that was coming...

What else, Dear?[/QUOTE]
I

A comprehesive , I think , look at his record - why the one we are talking about has not shown up is ?

several misdemeanor traffic violations, including speeding, a seat-belt violation, driving an unregistered vehicle, and operating a vehicle in unsafe mechanical condition.
with two counts of cruelty to animals in 2002, but was found not guilty in a bench trial.
He was also hit with "peeping Tom" and eavesdropping charges in 2002 in Colleton County. n Rto the victim [Roberts]. "had been making unwanted advancements
"Memorial day weekend last year, 2001, Mr. Dear in the bushes by their house," a report of the incident reads.
A restraining order was also filed against Dear by Roberts in 2002.
The peeping-Tom and restraining-order charges were later dismissed.
Dear was also involved in at least two altercations that never reached the court system. The Daily Beast obtained police records that show that in 1997 his wife, Pam, called police s.
In September 2004, a neighbor named Douglas Moore reported to police that Dear had threatened him. Dear "told him that he was going to do bodily harm to him because the suspect thought the victim pushed his motorcycle over on the ground," l.
No further details have been released at this time.
[h=3]http://www.businessinsider.com/planned-parenthood-shooter-robert-dear-had-criminal-history-2015-11[/h]

another arrest in paris just now een released at this time.
[h=3]http://www.businessinsider.com/planned-parenthood-shooter-robert-dear-had-criminal-history-2015-11[/h]
another arrest in paris just now

 

[Foxfire]

QUOTE=margarita25;12217817]Well well, knew that was coming...

What else, Dear?

I

A comprehesive , I think , look at his record - why the one we are talking about has not shown up is ?

several misdemeanor traffic violations, including speeding, a seat-belt violation, driving an unregistered vehicle, and operating a vehicle in unsafe mechanical condition.
with two counts of cruelty to animals in 2002, but was found not guilty in a bench trial.
He was also hit with "peeping Tom" and eavesdropping charges in 2002 in Colleton County. n Rto the victim [Roberts]. "had been making unwanted advancements
"Memorial day weekend last year, 2001, Mr. Dear in the bushes by their house," a report of the incident reads.
A restraining order was also filed against Dear by Roberts in 2002.
The peeping-Tom and restraining-order charges were later dismissed.
Dear was also involved in at least two altercations that never reached the court system. The Daily Beast obtained police records that show that in 1997 his wife, Pam, called police s.
In September 2004, a neighbor named Douglas Moore reported to police that Dear had threatened him. Dear "told him that he was going to do bodily harm to him because the suspect thought the victim pushed his motorcycle over on the ground," l.
No further details have bQUOTE=margarita25;12217817]Well well, knew that was coming...

What else, Dear?[/QUOTE]
I

A comprehesive , I think , look at his record - why the one we are talking about has not shown up is ?

several misdemeanor traffic violations, including speeding, a seat-belt violation, driving an unregistered vehicle, and operating a vehicle in unsafe mechanical condition.
with two counts of cruelty to animals in 2002, but was found not guilty in a bench trial.
He was also hit with "peeping Tom" and eavesdropping charges in 2002 in Colleton County. n Rto the victim [Roberts]. "had been making unwanted advancements
"Memorial day weekend last year, 2001, Mr. Dear in the bushes by their house," a report of the incident reads.
A restraining order was also filed against Dear by Roberts in 2002.
The peeping-Tom and restraining-order charges were later dismissed.
Dear was also involved in at least two altercations that never reached the court system. The Daily Beast obtained police records that show that in 1997 his wife, Pam, called police s.
In September 2004, a neighbor named Douglas Moore reported to police that Dear had threatened him. Dear "told him that he was going to do bodily harm to him because the suspect thought the victim pushed his motorcycle over on the ground," l.
No further details have been released at this time.
[h=3]http://www.businessinsider.com/planned-parenthood-shooter-robert-dear-had-criminal-history-2015-11[/h]

another arrest in paris just now een released at this time.
[h=3]http://www.businessinsider.com/planned-parenthood-shooter-robert-dear-had-criminal-history-2015-11[/h]
another arrest in paris just now [/QUOTE]

Alleged Planned Parenthood shooter Robert Dear has a history of lewd acts and violence
http://www.businessinsider.com/planned-parenthood-shooter-robert-dear-had-criminal-history-2015-11

 

[Chuz Life]

Psychologically, where is the compiling of information about all the incidents and arrests in Robert Dear's past coming from?

I'll leave the question wide open, rather to speculate on the possible answers myself.

 

[bluesneakers]

On average, it takes 10 years from the onset of the illness for a manic depressive to receive a correct diagnosis.

RSBM

That's interesting because people on the internet can do it in under 10 minutes.

 

[Treelights]

"Doctor jumps into action to treat wounded on scene of Planned Parenthood shooting."

http://www.koaa.com/story/30635257/...?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KOAA_5

 

[Yvettea]

"Doctor jumps into action to treat wounded on scene of Planned Parenthood shooting."

http://www.koaa.com/story/30635257/...?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_KOAA_5

This is interesting and put a smile on my face. Thank you for posting.

 

[Treelights]

"Prosecution of accused Planned Parenthood shooter promises to be lengthy, costly."

http://www.koaa.com/story/30634937/...enthood-shooter-promises-to-be-lengthy-costly

 

[Treelights]

[video=twitter;671775804431466496]https://twitter.com/springsgov/status/671775804431466496[/video]

 

[Treelights]

[video=twitter;671769762091921408]https://twitter.com/springsgov/status/671769762091921408[/video]