Found Deceased CO - Adam Gilbertson, 29, Denver, 14 Dec 2017

[margarita25]

I live in the area where Adam went missing and want to provide some insight to a few things:

11:47 - Lyft drops Adam off at his car at the Casey 2100 Delgany

12:38 - 12:53am Adam is at Syntax.

The drive from the Casey to his apartment would have taken less than 20 minutes. The walk from his apartment to Syntax would have been less than 10 minutes. I don’t believe he drove directly to Syntax from when the Lyft dropped him off nor would he have driven from his apartment after....it’s a short walk and i don’t believe he would risk any further chance for a cop to pull him over for a bar this close. We walk all the time to bars on Broadway so this wouldn’t be unusual. It wasn’t terribly cold the night he went missing and his Arcteryx jacket and beanie would have been plenty warm.

Adams apartment is just down the street from where I live. There is a front door and a side entrance. The side entrance is behind a fenced gate in a duplex with other neighbors. I was surprised to hear the door was unlocked until I drove by and paid closer attention. The side entrance is secluded behind the gate and if I lived here I too wouldn’t worry too much about leaving it unlocked for a short time.

I do think it’s really strange he walked across broadway after leaving Syntax. (Opposite direction of his apartment). The Wendy’s closes early on Thursday nights and he would have seen it dark when he left Syntax as they turn down the lights when they close. The parking lot there is empty and dark at night (most of it is an old Kmart that went out of business). I question what would cause him to go into this darkish empty parking lot at 1am? There’s not much there late at night. Did someone text to meet him there? Maybe even on an app like scruff or Grindr. Would apps like that share the messages with investigators?

There are train tracks on the end of the lot. There’s openings in the fence- it wouldn’t be hard to access the tracks or cross if he really wanted. Getting to the south plate river would be much more difficult as you would have to cross I-25. It’s snowing now. I hope they find him soon.


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Welcome Dingodogloco. Thanks for your local insight.

 

[margarita25]

I agree. I am not sure what Colorado Corps do with 420 use unless they do business across state line or get federal funding. Hope it is a non tolerance. I hope they find him. I agree Charlies is an interesting bar. Russell Haythorn of 7 News reported they had the most crimes of any gay bar in 2017. I hope they find him alive and well.

Welcome liamcolorado.

 

[margarita25]

The weather is really coming down right now...

 

[Acinco]

I live in the area where Adam went missing and want to provide some insight to a few things:

11:47 - Lyft drops Adam off at his car at the Casey 2100 Delgany

12:38 - 12:53am Adam is at Syntax.

The drive from the Casey to his apartment would have taken less than 20 minutes. The walk from his apartment to Syntax would have been less than 10 minutes. I don’t believe he drove directly to Syntax from when the Lyft dropped him off nor would he have driven from his apartment after....it’s a short walk and i don’t believe he would risk any further chance for a cop to pull him over for a bar this close. We walk all the time to bars on Broadway so this wouldn’t be unusual. It wasn’t terribly cold the night he went missing and his Arcteryx jacket and beanie would have been plenty warm.

Adams apartment is just down the street from where I live. There is a front door and a side entrance. The side entrance is behind a fenced gate in a duplex with other neighbors. I was surprised to hear the door was unlocked until I drove by and paid closer attention. The side entrance is secluded behind the gate and if I lived here I too wouldn’t worry too much about leaving it unlocked for a short time.

I do think it’s really strange he walked across broadway after leaving Syntax. (Opposite direction of his apartment). The Wendy’s closes early on Thursday nights and he would have seen it dark when he left Syntax as they turn down the lights when they close. The parking lot there is empty and dark at night (most of it is an old Kmart that went out of business). I question what would cause him to go into this darkish empty parking lot at 1am? There’s not much there late at night. Did someone text to meet him there? Maybe even on an app like scruff or Grindr. Would apps like that share the messages with investigators?

There are train tracks on the end of the lot. There’s openings in the fence- it wouldn’t be hard to access the tracks or cross if he really wanted. Getting to the south plate river would be much more difficult as you would have to cross I-25. It’s snowing now. I hope they find him soon.


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This is really helpful / great insight - thank you! I too agree what makes the most sense is that he drove home, then walked to Syntax. The information about the side door on his apartment is very helpful - knowing that it was an unlocked side door in a fenced-in shared yard in Wash Park is much different / less suspect that just "the door was found unlocked" sounds at first glance.

Agree him crossing Broadway is very confusing...I wish we knew what / how much exactly the tape shows. I'm trying to remember what all is over on that side - that shopping center up a block is a pretty big one, no? Nowhere that jumps out as somewhere obvious he would've been headed at 1 am on a Thursday (and most of which would have been closed at that time) but I'm just trying to think: there's Blue Bonnet, Taco Bell, Ace, Albertson's...what else?

There is also the Alameda light rail station right on the other side of that shopping center. Finally there are, I believe, some apartment buildings over there...right?

 

[Acinco]

Bsmall1968, majorly appreciate all your insights so far (and share in your frustration at the random, sudden focus on weed - that definitely has nothing to do with where Adam is). I am wondering: I don't know if you can say for sure, but how likely is it that LE might release certain details that are patently not true, because they have info behind the scenes that they don't want certain someone(s) to know they know?
Specifically, for example, the whole phone pinging thing - first It was said that it was pinging all night in that general area, then they came out and were very deliberate and insistent about the fact that it stopped pinging immediately after he left Syntax. Obviously that could have just been them correcting erroneous information that had come out, but something about how that whole thing was handled kind of struck me.

PLUS, it is, to me, pretty revealing if his phone went completely offline RIGHT after he posted that video and left Syntax. So if true...that part really makes it seem, IMO, like he disappeared on purpose.

Anyways, I remember in the Hannah Graham case the police came out with a statement about how they wanted to speak with the man dressed in all white that was seen on security footage walking with her. They very deliberately stated that he was NOT a suspect, they believed he could help give them information about the person they WERE suspecting. Obviously the man in white was Jesse Matthews and I'm guessing was very much the suspect all along. I hope I'm explaining this well; am just wondering if that kind of thing is common / if you see it as a possibility here?

 

[OzzieB]

Could Adam have turned his phone off right after posting the video on instagram to avoid getting notifications? Then maybe walked across the street to grab a snack...maybe a regular from the bar saw him cross the street and asked him if he needed a ride and Adam accepted since he may have seen this Person at the bar in the past? Do we have any other survalence anywhere?is there a gas station that would have been open close by?

 

[margarita25]

Well, we had quite the snowstorm last night....

 

[margarita25]

Bsmall1968, majorly appreciate all your insights so far (and share in your frustration at the random, sudden focus on weed - that definitely has nothing to do with where Adam is). I am wondering: I don't know if you can say for sure, but how likely is it that LE might release certain details that are patently not true, because they have info behind the scenes that they don't want certain someone(s) to know they know?
Specifically, for example, the whole phone pinging thing - first It was said that it was pinging all night in that general area, then they came out and were very deliberate and insistent about the fact that it stopped pinging immediately after he left Syntax. Obviously that could have just been them correcting erroneous information that had come out, but something about how that whole thing was handled kind of struck me.

PLUS, it is, to me, pretty revealing if his phone went completely offline RIGHT after he posted that video and left Syntax. So if true...that part really makes it seem, IMO, like he disappeared on purpose.

Anyways, I remember in the Hannah Graham case the police came out with a statement about how they wanted to speak with the man dressed in all white that was seen on security footage walking with her. They very deliberately stated that he was NOT a suspect, they believed he could help give them information about the person they WERE suspecting. Obviously the man in white was Jesse Matthews and I'm guessing was very much the suspect all along. I hope I'm explaining this well; am just wondering if that kind of thing is common / if you see it as a possibility here?

I realize this question wasn't addressed to me, but I'll just jump in to say, and I have mentioned this before in other threads, that I have seen LE release details that are patently not true, as a strategic tool in an investigation. I don't see anything specifically here (yet) that I think could be the case as such here yet, but to answer your question, yes, I have seen it happen.

 

[ZhaZhaHa]

I agree. I am not sure what Colorado Corps do with 420 use unless they do business across state line or get federal funding. Hope it is a non tolerance. I hope they find him. I agree Charlies is an interesting bar. Russell Haythorn of 7 News reported they had the most crimes of any gay bar in 2017. I hope they find him alive and well.

I think location is a factor. It isn’t the greatest area. Not the worst, but that motel is right up the road, an adult bookstore across the street (is it still there?), and on Colfax. I’ve been there a few times and didn’t have any problems but I’m a female and we were just there to dance (it’s so not a country bar!).

Another note on who is allowed to smoke pot in CO...my husband was a heavy equipment operator and he’d have UA tests frequently to maintain his CDL. So certainly there are some people who can’t partake even if it is legal.


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[atothem]

I’ve spent a lot of time in the area near Charlie’s on Colfax at Fillmore, Ogden, late nights wandering around, etc. In general I have always felt safe but I’ve always been with a group of people and wouldn’t necessarily hang around Colfax by myself. In college in the mid 2000s one of our psych class assignments was to hop on a bus and ride up and down Colfax and diagnose people. I was traumatized after that but I do think a lot of that area has cleaned up a bunch since then.

I’m basically just typing as I think so sorry for my train of thought. At this point I think Adam has gone somewhere on his own. A stranger/stranger situation isn’t as likely (although not impossible) and obviously something nefarious with a person he met either that night or casually through an app is still on the table, but the phone being off right after he posted on Ig sticks in my brain. And he was apparently alone on surveillance but it’s now Christmas Eve and he seems to be someone really close to his family based off social media and being a nurse he is a caring individual so his disappearance which he would have to know would cause tremendous pain gives me pause. It’s blustery out there today. [emoji17]

 

[Mn-]

I wanted to add that I think the fact that Adam worked for the DEA was true. I am a friend of his from college and I remember seeing this on his FB page, maybe a year ago.. not sure exactly, he posted some funny spanish words (slang) that they tested him on in the test to be admitted as a DEA translator. Although he might have just done that when he was in school for extra money and he might not work there anymore. IMO you don’t work for the DEA and the go smoke weed or do any other drugs. I partied with him and college and he was never into that.

I do think the fact about him talking to the Hispanic man is mentioned no where else besides this thread so it is irrelevant but also knowing Adam’s friendly personality and the fact that he spoke Spanish well, he was probably just enjoying speaking Spanish with someone if in fact this was true.

 

[margarita25]

I wanted to add that I think the fact that Adam worked for the DEA was true. I am a friend of his from college and I remember seeing this on his FB page, maybe a year ago.. not sure exactly, he posted some funny spanish words (slang) that they tested him on in the test to be admitted as a DEA translator. Although he might have just done that when he was in school for extra money and he might not work there anymore. IMO you don’t work for the DEA and the go smoke weed or do any other drugs. I partied with him and college and he was never into that.

I do think the fact about him talking to the Hispanic man is mentioned no where else besides this thread so it is irrelevant but also knowing Adam’s friendly personality and the fact that he spoke Spanish well, he was probably just enjoying speaking Spanish with someone if in fact this was true.

Welcome Mn-.

 

[Midge Montana]

Welcome to our new members!
We always feel lucky when we have locals join us, it gives us a better 'feel' of the area.
To those that know Adam, thank you for joining us, though I wish it were under better circumstances that we've 'met'.

 

[Elainera]

I live in the area where Adam went missing and want to provide some insight to a few things:

11:47 - Lyft drops Adam off at his car at the Casey 2100 Delgany

12:38 - 12:53am Adam is at Syntax.

The drive from the Casey to his apartment would have taken less than 20 minutes. The walk from his apartment to Syntax would have been less than 10 minutes. This would align with the timeline of getting dropped off by Lyft and then arriving at syntax from their security cameras. I don’t believe he drove directly to Syntax from when the Lyft dropped him off nor would he have driven from his apartment after. We walk all the time to bars on Broadway so walking would be typical for the location of his apartment to Syntax. It wasn’t terribly cold the night he went missing and his Arcteryx jacket and beanie would have been plenty warm.

Adams apartment is just down the street from where I live. There is a front door and a side entrance. The side entrance is behind a fenced gate in a duplex with other neighbors. I was surprised to hear the door was unlocked until I drove by and paid closer attention. The side entrance is secluded behind the gate and if I lived here I too wouldn’t worry too much about leaving it unlocked for a short time.

I do think it’s really strange he walked across broadway after leaving Syntax. (Opposite direction of his apartment). The Wendy’s closes early on Thursday nights and he would have seen it dark when he left Syntax as they turn down the lights when they close. The parking lot there is empty and dark at night (most of it is an old Kmart that went out of business). I question what would cause him to go into this darkish empty parking lot at 1am? There’s not much there late at night. Did someone text to meet him there? Maybe even on an app like scruff or Grindr. Would apps like that share the messages with investigators?

There are train tracks on the end of the lot. There’s openings in the fence- it wouldn’t be hard to access the tracks or cross if he really wanted. Getting to the south plate river would be much more difficult as you would have to cross I-25. It’s snowing now. I hope they find him soon.


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I agree with this post. I believe he drove his car home, then left on foot to go to Syntax. Maybe he was to meet someone at Syntax but they changed the location, so again he went off on foot to meet them, possibly in one of the empty parking lots where that person waited in their own car, or in an apartment building close by. If that person came by car Adam could be anywhere now.

But even if Adam chose to meet someone that night and drove off with them voluntarily I don't think he would have stayed away for so long of his own decision. He missed his job and yoga class, and now he is missing Christmas with his family. I think something went badly wrong on that date and Adam is deceased. Sorry to say

 

[anonypotomous]

I agree with this post. I believe he drove his car home, then left on foot to go to Syntax. Maybe he was to meet someone at Syntax but they changed the location, so again he went off on foot to meet them, possibly in one of the empty parking lots where that person waited in their own car, or in an apartment building close by. If that person came by car Adam could be anywhere now.

But even if Adam chose to meet someone that night and drove off with them voluntarily I don't think he would have stayed away for so long of his own decision. He missed his job and yoga class, and now he is missing Christmas with his family. I think something went badly wrong on that date and Adam is deceased. Sorry to say

Sadly, I think this is the scenario. Nothing else IMO makes sense at the moment. I wonder if someone he met online was leading him on a wild goose chase that night. He seemed to have been going from location to location. Perhaps whoever it was didn’t want to be seen, so the last location he asked Adam to meet him at was somewhere remote. Ugh.

I’m assuming that LE has already accessed his phone records - texts, apps, etc., but they haven’t shared that, and neither has the family. I pray for a resolution soon.


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[DAnthrplgst]

Sadly, I think this is the scenario. Nothing else IMO makes sense at the moment. I wonder if someone he met online was leading him on a wild goose chase that night. He seemed to have been going from location to location. Perhaps whoever it was didn’t want to be seen, so the last location he asked Adam to meet him at was somewhere remote. Ugh.

I’m assuming that LE has already accessed his phone records - texts, apps, etc., but they haven’t shared that, and neither has the family. I pray for a resolution soon.


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Based on my experience as a gay man who has used apps and internet chat rooms and have had my fair share of flakes and fakes this isn't very likely. Flakes n Fakes won't send you on a wild goose chase like that, they'll either invite you over but give you a fake address or go through the motions of wanting to hook-up, get you worked up and when it's time to give you an address they'll sign out of the app, block you or just ignore you. My gut instincts are telling me that he wasn't trying to hook-up, his behaviors don't match someone who is trying to hook-up not to mention, he doesn't come off as the hook-up type to me, based on what I know about him.

I wouldn't put too much stock in the idea of his moving from bar to bar, that is pretty standard behavior, at least for gay men. You go to one bar, check out the scenery, hang out, see if any friends show up, if no one shows or the bar seems dead, or you're being hassled by some Barney you move on to another bar and repeat the process. When I used to go out I'd move between the 3 main bars in the city before landing at the dance club where I'd stay until it was time to go home. Of course, not all people do this, depending on your scene you may just visit one bar that caters to your particular thing and you'd stay there but most everyone I knew followed the same pattern I did

 

[Huoi]

I personally think he was battling some demons that weren't visible to anyone. As a gay guy you can hide and disguise your sexuality. Wouldn't be far-fetched to take that and disguise how unhappy you are. More specific would be issues regarding heteronormative expectations (family, children, etc) and finding long-lasting love. I think every gay guy has contemplated over these same issues and may have felt depressed until you process it into a form you can be content with or deal with in a self-destructive way. e.g. promiscuity, drugs, and substance abuse, etc.

Maybe his new gig as a hospice nurse triggered latent thoughts he's had. I've volunteered in hospice care and it's basically watching elderly people pass. Specifically, I volunteered to sit with people passing who had no family or loves ones there. It's utterly depressing to realize many people don't visit the relatives they put in hospice care or the fact they drug them up to high heavens before they pass which is basically human euthanasia.

Read through some material about no warning suicides. Apparently, a good portion of suicides are by people with no history of mental health issues and seemed well adjusted. They don't have much to study or gain insight on those in the demographic because they usually succeed and no one can question their motivations.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/suicide-often-not-preceded-by-warnings-201209245331

 

[margarita25]

I personally think he was battling some demons that weren't visible to anyone. As a gay guy you can hide and disguise your sexuality. Wouldn't be far-fetched to take that and disguise how unhappy you are. More specific would be issues regarding heteronormative expectations (family, children, etc) and finding long-lasting love. I think every gay guy has contemplated over these same issues and may have felt depressed until you process it into a form you can be content with or deal with in a self-destructive way. e.g. promiscuity, drugs, and substance abuse, etc.

Maybe his new gig as a hospice nurse triggered latent thoughts he's had. I've volunteered in hospice care and it's basically watching elderly people pass. Specifically, I volunteered to sit with people passing who had no family or loves ones there. It's utterly depressing to realize many people don't visit the relatives they put in hospice care or the fact they drug them up to high heavens before they pass which is basically human euthanasia.

Read through some material about no warning suicides. Apparently, a good portion of suicides are by people with no history of mental health issues and seemed well adjusted. They don't have much to study or gain insight on those in the demographic because they usually succeed and no one can question their motivations.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/suicide-often-not-preceded-by-warnings-201209245331

I have so much respect for medical and hospice workers - what a challenging job it must be. Adam obviously has a really huge heart, which is another reason, other than being local, as to why I am so drawn to his case.

Thinking about Adam and his family on this Christmas Eve...it's got to be just so difficult beyond words.

 

[yurena]

Thinking about Adam and his family tonight and really looking forward to good news regarding his whereabouts soon.

 

[ilovematt]

I personally think he was battling some demons that weren't visible to anyone. As a gay guy you can hide and disguise your sexuality. Wouldn't be far-fetched to take that and disguise how unhappy you are. More specific would be issues regarding heteronormative expectations (family, children, etc) and finding long-lasting love. I think every gay guy has contemplated over these same issues and may have felt depressed until you process it into a form you can be content with or deal with in a self-destructive way. e.g. promiscuity, drugs, and substance abuse, etc.

Maybe his new gig as a hospice nurse triggered latent thoughts he's had. I've volunteered in hospice care and it's basically watching elderly people pass. Specifically, I volunteered to sit with people passing who had no family or loves ones there. It's utterly depressing to realize many people don't visit the relatives they put in hospice care or the fact they drug them up to high heavens before they pass which is basically human euthanasia.

Read through some material about no warning suicides. Apparently, a good portion of suicides are by people with no history of mental health issues and seemed well adjusted. They don't have much to study or gain insight on those in the demographic because they usually succeed and no one can question their motivations.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/suicide-often-not-preceded-by-warnings-201209245331

Wow. What a selfless act. I needed this tidbit of humanity so much today. Thank you for sharing & we’re lucky humans like you exist.


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