Deceased/Not Found CO - Alvie Webb, 87, hunter, Dolores, Colorado Mountains, 19 Oct 2019

[rainynights]

Family and friends are desperately searching for an 87-year-old man from eastern Oklahoma who went over the weekend during a yearly hunting trip to Colorado.

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Each year, Webb and his son, his grandson and a group of men go on a hunting trip in Dolores, Colorado. Wilson told KOCO 5 that Webb was dropped off Saturday morning at his hunting spot.

"They told him, said, 'Now we'll pick you up at the bottom of the hill, on the road around 10 o'clock,'" she said.

After some time passed, Wilson said Webb's son went to go pick him up at the bottom of the hill. Webb wasn't there, so the son waited for his father for a little while, but "Papaw didn't show up."



Family, friends search for Oklahoma man who went missing during hunting trip in Colorado

 

[TristanP]

Because leaving an 87 year old man in the woods in Colorado by himself is a great plan.

 

[Luckyzmom]

Prayers tonight Alvie for your safety and a warm place to set up for the night. There's some old men that don't listen to anything they don't want to hear. So this is day 3, not sure why the hunters didn't stay looking band send 1 person out to notify LE .JMO

 

[mlhenn]

“Just please pray for him to be found,” Family searches for Muldrow man who disappeared in Colorado mountains

I’m not sure if it’s a big deal or not, but this article states he was out for a morning walk (a ritual for him) and he told the others to pick him up at 10am...
...the article in post 1 states he was dropped off at his hunting spot and the others told him they would be back to pick him up at 10am

 

[mlhenn]

“Just please pray for him to be found,” Family searches for Muldrow man who disappeared in Colorado mountains

“There’s no trace of him,” Spalding said. “They haven’t even found a boot print.”

How sad!!

 

[rainynights]

“Just please pray for him to be found,” Family searches for Muldrow man who disappeared in Colorado mountains

I’m not sure if it’s a big deal or not, but this article states he was out for a morning walk (a ritual for him) and he told the others to pick him up at 10am...
...the article in post 1 states he was dropped off at his hunting spot and the others told him they would be back to pick him up at 10am

Interesting to note. Perhaps his favorite place to walk also happened to be his hunting spot. MOO

“Just please pray for him to be found,” Family searches for Muldrow man who disappeared in Colorado mountains

“There’s no trace of him,” Spalding said. “They haven’t even found a boot print.”

How sad!!

 

[zecats]

The difference in the way the reporting is worded makes a difference IMO. He either was dropped off to go hunting by himself, which makes no sense. Or he opted to take a morning walk down the mountain, which was typical for him, and didn't want to walk back up. So he asked for someone to come get him at a specific time.

I tend to go with the morning walk version, as I don't believe he would go off hunting by himself. He was there with family for an annual trip and I'd assume then enjoy doing this together.

Some comments under the news report about him being dropped off at "his hunting spot" make the family seem like they just left him on his own. So, might be nice to have a clearer version of how he went missing.

Also, if walking, where was he walking. Is it steep? Does it have drop-offs? Colorado is infamous for lack of guardrails. Could he have fallen? Is there traffic on the road? He could have been hit by someone or picked up (least likely scenario -again IMO). I sure hope they find him. Scary and sad.

 

[JerseyGirl]

still missing: Oklahoma Man Goes Missing During Elk Hunt In Colorado Mountains

 

[zecats]

A few more specifics: BBM

Search mission underway for 86-year-old hunter

A search and rescue mission has been underway since Saturday for an 86-year-old hunter who went missing in the San Juan National Forest outside Dolores.

Montezuma County emergency manager Mike Pasquin said Alvie Webb was reported overdue Saturday, and ever since, search and rescue crews have been trying to locate him. Webb’s basecamp was set up near the Roaring Fork Trail, which is in Montezuma County, Pasquin said.

Hiking map of trail shows distance to Dolores, Co and describes trail as difficult.
Roaring Fork

 

[zecats]

The elk hunter has been missing for reportedly three nights and four days. There are still no signs of Alvie following intense search efforts consisting of search and rescue teams, drones, black hawk helicopters, and bloodhounds.

A strong winter storm moving through parts of Colorado Wednesday evening into Thursday will result in a large temperature swing, dropping temperatures to the 20s or lower in Dolores.

This story is still developing.

https://www.outtherecolorado.com/87-year-old-hunter-missing-in-colorado-mountains/

 

[JerseyGirl]

still missing: Alvie Webb Search: Hunter From Oklahoma Goes Missing In Colorado

 

[Hoosier952]

The difference in the way the reporting is worded makes a difference IMO. He either was dropped off to go hunting by himself, which makes no sense. Or he opted to take a morning walk down the mountain, which was typical for him, and didn't want to walk back up. So he asked for someone to come get him at a specific time.

I tend to go with the morning walk version, as I don't believe he would go off hunting by himself. He was there with family for an annual trip and I'd assume then enjoy doing this together.

Some comments under the news report about him being dropped off at "his hunting spot" make the family seem like they just left him on his own. So, might be nice to have a clearer version of how he went missing.

Also, if walking, where was he walking. Is it steep? Does it have drop-offs? Colorado is infamous for lack of guardrails. Could he have fallen? Is there traffic on the road? He could have been hit by someone or picked up (least likely scenario -again IMO). I sure hope they find him. Scary and sad.

When we hunt out of state, we are usually limited to 1-2 vehicles depending on the number of people who go. So there are 1-2 drivers dropping others off in different locations around one larger area. We may end up hours away from camp, but usually end up hunting within 5-10 miles of everyone in each vehicle so it only takes around 30 minutes for the driver to pack up and get everyone else picked up at the end of that hunting trip. We are often in places with limited or no cell reception, so having a known pick up time and location are necessary.

Our time together is the time we spend at camp, so after the morning hunt, we'll all eat breakfast around the fire and do a morning hunt recap, then usually drive around before lunch to scout the surrounding areas, come back for group lunch, some will hunt near camp after lunch, others take naps, then we'll do evening hunts and come back for a big dinner, maybe a few beers, and stay up chatting.

So really, I could see him being dropped off higher up the mountain to be picked up later at lower altitudes or walking from camp to his spot to be picked up later. Neither strike me as odd for a hunting trip, we do it both ways all the time.

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The road I have marked is Roaring Fork Rd. It's definitely steep around there, a fall would definitely not be out of the question, although I don't see anything that looks like a real drop off around the area. Without knowing base camp location, I couldn't possibly pinpoint an area to search though. And the problem with walking in at one point and coming out at another in vast areas like this is there's no real way to know which path he took or how far off the more direct routes he went.

 

[0101ABA]

The winter storm has officially moved in & it’s snowing fairly hard here in CO now.

I hope he’s sheltered somewhere and at least (relatively) safe.

 

[zecats]

When we hunt out of state, we are usually limited to 1-2 vehicles depending on the number of people who go. So there are 1-2 drivers dropping others off in different locations around one larger area. We may end up hours away from camp, but usually end up hunting within 5-10 miles of everyone in each vehicle so it only takes around 30 minutes for the driver to pack up and get everyone else picked up at the end of that hunting trip. We are often in places with limited or no cell reception, so having a known pick up time and location are necessary.

Our time together is the time we spend at camp, so after the morning hunt, we'll all eat breakfast around the fire and do a morning hunt recap, then usually drive around before lunch to scout the surrounding areas, come back for group lunch, some will hunt near camp after lunch, others take naps, then we'll do evening hunts and come back for a big dinner, maybe a few beers, and stay up chatting.

So really, I could see him being dropped off higher up the mountain to be picked up later at lower altitudes or walking from camp to his spot to be picked up later. Neither strike me as odd for a hunting trip, we do it both ways all the time.

خرائط ‪Google‬‏‏

The road I have marked is Roaring Fork Rd. It's definitely steep around there, a fall would definitely not be out of the question, although I don't see anything that looks like a real drop off around the area. Without knowing base camp location, I couldn't possibly pinpoint an area to search though. And the problem with walking in at one point and coming out at another in vast areas like this is there's no real way to know which path he took or how far off the more direct routes he went.

This all makes way more sense as you explained it.. makes it way more difficult to find him than if he had just taken a walk on a mountain road.
All so sad and it’s been too long now IMO.

 

[rainynights]

New info + photo...
Elderly hunter still missing in San Juan National Forest

An intensive five-day search has failed to locate missing hunter Alvie Webb, 86, who was last seen on the morning of Oct. 19 in the Divide Road-Roaring Fork area of the San Juan National Forest.

Webb’s last known location was at a trail that begins at the end of Road 564A, a spur of the Divide Road (Forest Road 564). The rugged, mountainous area is west of the Colorado Trail, and 4 miles south of Rico.

[...]

Webb, of Muldrow, Oklahoma, was on a hunting trip with his son and others. The party camped on Road 564A.

On Oct. 19, Webb was left alone to hunt on a trail at the end of 564A near a meadow where he hunted last year. The unnamed trail meets up with the Roaring Fork Road (Forest Road 435) after about 2 miles.



(*more at link)

 

[zecats]

New info + photo...
Elderly hunter still missing in San Juan National Forest

An intensive five-day search has failed to locate missing hunter Alvie Webb, 86, who was last seen on the morning of Oct. 19 in the Divide Road-Roaring Fork area of the San Juan National Forest.

Webb’s last known location was at a trail that begins at the end of Road 564A, a spur of the Divide Road (Forest Road 564). The rugged, mountainous area is west of the Colorado Trail, and 4 miles south of Rico.

[...]

Webb, of Muldrow, Oklahoma, was on a hunting trip with his son and others. The party camped on Road 564A.

On Oct. 19, Webb was left alone to hunt on a trail at the end of 564A near a meadow where he hunted last year. The unnamed trail meets up with the Roaring Fork Road (Forest Road 435) after about 2 miles.

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Large area to search. If he fell, which is the most likely scenario IMO, I guess it's difficult to spot him from above plus not even knowing where to look and see if he did fall. Sad.

 

[mlhenn]

Sheriff suspends search for missing Muldrow man

The sheriff of Montezuma County in Colorado has suspended the search for 87-year-old Alvie Webb of Muldrow.

Sheriff Steve Nowlin said he is frustrated that they have not been able to find Webb, but the search has been suspended until more information is available or something is found.

Nowlin said family members told him Webb had been hunting in that location the last five years and knew the area.

He said he put drones up at night that were FLEER capable, but no heat signatures could be detected.

Nowlin said he didn't think Webb would have walked very far. The altitude at that location is about 9,500 feet, and he said Webb had only been there a couple of days before going off hunting and had not had time to acclimate to the thinner air.

 

[Steelslady]

Sheriff suspends search for missing Muldrow man

The sheriff of Montezuma County in Colorado has suspended the search for 87-year-old Alvie Webb of Muldrow.

Sheriff Steve Nowlin said he is frustrated that they have not been able to find Webb, but the search has been suspended until more information is available or something is found.

Nowlin said family members told him Webb had been hunting in that location the last five years and knew the area.

He said he put drones up at night that were FLEER capable, but no heat signatures could be detected.

Nowlin said he didn't think Webb would have walked very far. The altitude at that location is about 9,500 feet, and he said Webb had only been there a couple of days before going off hunting and had not had time to acclimate to the thinner air.

I'm not so sure that the sheriff thinks he's out there. Anyone else get that vibe?

 

[Seajay]

I'm not so sure that the sheriff thinks he's out there. Anyone else get that vibe?

What I got from it is that he doesn’t think it’s an emergency anymore and that they are racing against the clock to find a live Alvie. Sad to say. It sounds more like he’s waiting for someone to find his remains or some part of his hunting equipment to give them more leads to investigate. IMO

 

[zecats]

I'm not so sure that the sheriff thinks he's out there. Anyone else get that vibe?

Not really. It sounds to me like there is frustration because it's such a large search area. They have basically a road, a trail and the surrounding rugged area - and he was to walk back along this route somewhere to be picked up. Basic searches, drones, etc have found nothing. So where to keep looking? I also imagine it's difficult to stop the search knowing that there is a missing person there somewhere.