GUILTY CO - Charles, 50, & Marilyn Long, 51, murdered, Burlington, 1 March 2011

[belimom]

I am wondering what the weapon really was.

Has LE said the parents were shot?

I know he said three were shot but at that time he was trying to cover it up that he was the one who did it. So could he have said shot thinking the police would think he wasnt the one who did this if they were found stabbed and there were four victims instead of three?

Something just doesn't seem right. I think he was making up a story to make it look like he wasnt the guilty one.

Hopefully we will get more clarification about the parents and the little children.

IMO

I think there's more to the story, actually. All the SW, affidavits, etc, are sealed. I don't know if it's b/c the suspect is a minor or b/c there's more to this story - meaning there was more going on behind those closed walls. I could be way off - just speculating here. MOO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think there's more to the story, actually. All the SW, affidavits, etc, are sealed. I don't know if it's b/c the suspect is a minor or b/c there's more to this story - meaning there was more going on behind those closed walls. I could be way off - just speculating here. MOO

That is normal procedure. The records are sealed because he is a minor.

Now things may become unsealed if the DA asks the Judge to move the case from juvenile court to adult court and the Judge agrees to move it.

I think the DA has 72 hours after the kid is arrested to make that decision.

I think he was lying.......trying to make it seem that he just found them and really didn't know how they were killed.

I bet we are going to find out he is an extremely intelligent kid.

IMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

That is normal procedure. The records are sealed because he is a minor.

Now things may become unsealed if the DA asks the Judge to move the case from juvenile court to adult court and the Judge agrees to move it.

I think the DA has 72 hours after the kid is arrested to make that decision.

I think he was lying.......trying to make it seem that he just found them and really didn't know how they were killed.

I bet we are going to find out he is an extremely intelligent kid.

IMO

BBM Yep, that's where my money is too.

My thoughts at the moment are with his surviving siblings. I wish them a speedy and full recovery.

 

[Hopeful One]

I only read two of the articles but I didn't see it stated that the children were shot AND stabbed. It seems they were maybe only stabbed? And if so, why use the knife on them but the gun on the parents? This case is so sad, so many questions.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I only read two of the articles but I didn't see it stated that the children were shot AND stabbed. It seems they were maybe only stabbed? And if so, why use the knife on them but the gun on the parents? This case is so sad, so many questions.

The confusion for me, is the suspect tells 911 THREE people have been shot.

But then the Pastor said that both children were attacked with a knife.

That is why I say none of it makes sense.

First, he doesn't mention all 4 victims.

And why would he use a knife on the children and then a gun to shoot the parents? Knives are just up close and personal weapons imo. It gives me the creeps if he critically wounded those young children by stabbing them. I pray they make it.

What else is strange is the neighbor had just said he had seen the kid and his younger siblings outside shortly before this happened and they were all smiles, when the neighbor was taking out the garbage... so that must mean the neighbor lives very close. I wonder if he heard any gunshots. They didn't mention hearing anything though.

So that is why I doubt the suspect's story he told to 911 that three were shot.

Did he stab the children first or did he kill his parents first? Yes, so many questions.

IMO

 

[Marie]

I only read two of the articles but I didn't see it stated that the children were shot AND stabbed. It seems they were maybe only stabbed? And if so, why use the knife on them but the gun on the parents? This case is so sad, so many questions.

The 9yo boy was shot AND stabbed. The 5yo girl was stabbed in the neck & back, but not shot. The parents were shot, no stabbing.

So the boy was correct when he called 911 and stated that 3 people had been shot.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

The 9yo boy was shot AND stabbed. The 5yo girl was stabbed in the neck & back, but not shot. The parents were shot, no stabbing.

So the boy was correct when he called 911 and stated that 3 people had been shot.

Thanks Marie.

It sounds like the little 5 year old girl was trying to flee and he stabbed her in the neck and the back.

I guess the little boy was too and maybe he came back and stabbed him if he found him still alive from the gunshot or stabbed him and then shot him.

However it went down ......it is such a tragedy and I hope the children make it. Even though 5 and 9 is young they are old enough to tell LE what happened.

IMO

 

[belimom]

Thanks Marie.

It sounds like the little 5 year old girl was trying to flee and he stabbed her in the neck and the back.

I guess the little boy was too and maybe he came back and stabbed him if he found him still alive from the gunshot or stabbed him and then shot him.

However it went down ......it is such a tragedy and I hope the children make it. Even though 5 and 9 is young they are old enough to tell LE what happened.

IMO

Based on that scenario - and I do realize this is all speculation - I wonder if he attacked his siblings first. And then when the parents found out and tried to subdue him, he grabbed a gun? Unless he ran out of ammunition, it doesn't seem likely that he would switch from using a gun to using a knife - but maybe vice versa. Or maybe I'm thinking too much about it. I'm just trying to figure out how this awful tragedy happened...

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Based on that scenario - and I do realize this is all speculation - I wonder if he attacked his siblings first. And then when the parents found out and tried to subdue him, he grabbed a gun? Unless he ran out of ammunition, it doesn't seem likely that he would switch from using a gun to using a knife - but maybe vice versa. Or maybe I'm thinking too much about it. I'm just trying to figure out how this awful tragedy happened...

I have thought about the same thing, belimom. If they were all attacked in a relatively short period of time it will be hard to discern which attacks took place first. If the children pull through they will be able to tell LE a lot, I think.

It is very unusual that a perpetrator will use two different kinds of weapons.

I keep thinking about him being outside with his two younger siblings just before this happened. It is so hard to believe that shortly after that these children would be fighting for their lives.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Uncle Wally Long Expects Seriously Wounded Niece, Nephew to Recover

Doctors have told Wally Long that his wounded niece and nephew should completely recover from their wounds while confirming grisly details about their injuries. The young girl had stab wounds to her back and neck.

"The girl is speaking to us, interacting with us, and laughing," Long said.

The 9-year old boy sustained gunshot wounds, he said, and also was stabbed in the genital area.

"There was some injury there, but it's been fixed," Long said. "That's what I've been told."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/boy-12-face-murder-charges-killing-parents-charles/story?id=13049659&page=2

 

[peeples]

Uncle Wally Long Expects Seriously Wounded Niece, Nephew to Recover

Doctors have told Wally Long that his wounded niece and nephew should completely recover from their wounds while confirming grisly details about their injuries. The young girl had stab wounds to her back and neck.

"The girl is speaking to us, interacting with us, and laughing," Long said.

The 9-year old boy sustained gunshot wounds, he said, and also was stabbed in the genital area.

"There was some injury there, but it's been fixed," Long said. "That's what I've been told."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/boy-12-face-murder-charges-killing-parents-charles/story?id=13049659&page=2

The genital thing gives me pause... being a SA survivor........


PURE SPECULATION---

I wonder if older boy was abusing the younger boy and the 9 yr old told and when he was confronted he "lost it" or something......

 

[hannahsnana]

Is it escalating? I honestly don't know, but it's my understanding that murder rates in general have gone down since the 1970s.

It's true there have been guns since Europeans arrived on the continent, but patricide and matricide go way back, too. See Sophocles and Aeschylus.

Also, fratricide. See Cain and Abel. Just couldn't resist, although I hate guns, and wouldn't have one.

 

[mommy23]

The genital thing gives me pause... being a SA survivor........


PURE SPECULATION---

I wonder if older boy was abusing the younger boy and the 9 yr old told and when he was confronted he "lost it" or something......

The same thing crossed my mind.... Maybe it was between the 2 boys, or maybe there is a family or church member.... I think that raises huge flags as to some kind of SA..... JMO

 

[emmcee]

DA considering whether to charge Burlington boy, 12, as adult in parents' death

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_17535979

 

[forthelost]

The genital thing gives me pause... being a SA survivor........


PURE SPECULATION---

I wonder if older boy was abusing the younger boy and the 9 yr old told and when he was confronted he "lost it" or something......

Or someone was abusing both of them and he killed his parents so they wouldn't find out. And he tried to kill his siblings so, in his mind, they would be safe from that.

 

[Hopeful One]

The genital thing gives me pause... being a SA survivor........


PURE SPECULATION---

I wonder if older boy was abusing the younger boy and the 9 yr old told and when he was confronted he "lost it" or something......

That is exactly what I was going to post when I read that. Seems a lot of us are thinking along the same lines here. So sad.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Or someone was abusing both of them and he killed his parents so they wouldn't find out. And he tried to kill his siblings so, in his mind, they would be safe from that.

Maybe but I think when the motive is known it wont be that complex and his acts wont be because of protecting any of his family. Maybe trying to protect his own secret from getting out.

Why would he not go and shoot the actual abuser rather than completely try to wipe out everyone who was in the home that was his own kin? Protection of the perpetrator maybe? A secret that was possibly found out by the parents and told to them by the smaller children or one of them.

When people murder people it is not to protect them. It is to silence them, imo.

IMO, if any sexual abuse was going on it may have been this kid was sexually abusing his 9 year old brother and his brother told or the parents may have caught him.

His anger seems to be directed at his younger brother the most. He not only shot him but he stabbed him as well. Imo, he wanted to make sure his brother was dead, but thank goodness God was with the smaller children.

IMO

 

[Nova]

DA considering whether to charge Burlington boy, 12, as adult in parents' death

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_17535979

That would be an outrage, IMO. There is never an excuse to charge a 12-year-old as an adult.

 

[not_my_kids]

I don't know what to say. I really don't. I think that as time goes on, it will likely be discovered that this boy has some form of processing problem. Kids get bored, but they also get lonely, they get scared, they get frustrated, and in a child that does not have an easy time processing their feelings, that could all be expressed as boredom. Obviously, there is some sort of disconnect with this boy. Children that are firmly grounded in their place in a healthy family setting don't shoot their entire families.

The genital stabbing of the other child does make me wonder, but considering his age, he may have been projecting signs of his own molestation, or (considering that we are looking at one of those uber religious families, yet again) he could have had issues where he was disciplined (possibly harshly) for masturbation or exploration with his siblings, therefore he might have attacked the part that got him in so much trouble. Or he may have been aiming for a stomach shot and missed.

IMO, there are bound to be mitigating factors here. Even if the child appears to be a stone cold killer, he is still a child. I feel it is wrong to charge him as an adult, but obviously the prosecutor has reasons not to want this boy out at 18 or 21.

My prayers for the younger two. I hope that they are able to give a better accounting of real day to day life in the household.

 

[cluciano63]

I think there needs to be something between adult consequences and the relatively short amount of time until 18 or 21, as the system exists now. Although I honestly have a hard time believing that a 12-yr who could murder or try to murder his entire family would ever be someone I would feel comfortable around, even 15-20 yrs later...