CO CO - Christopher Abeyta, 7 mos, Colorado Springs, 15 July 1986

[denalves]

She also failed the second test, which was administered by the FBI. "I felt fine during most of the questions but when he said, 'Do you know where Christopher is?' I could feel my heart start racing and I started thinking, don't do it. Christopher's life depends on this. I have to relax. This means Christopher being found. But there wasn't much I could do about it. That question, to me, that's all I think about: where's Christopher? He didn't have to tell me I failed that one.
THE DISAPPEARANCE OF CHRISTOPHER

You didn't copy the whole quote, the very last sentence: "He didn't have to tell me I failed that one. I knew it." As I have stated before already they did not tell her she failed, she assumed it because of the questioning. She did not fail a second polygraph, but per my conversation with detectives in 2009 it was inconclusive.

 

[denalves]

(Above post shortened for brevity)

Christopher: he has blond hair, huge blue eyes and appears thin.
THE DISAPPEARANCE OF CHRISTOPHER
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This is written by a reporter who was looking at the same photos the public has seen. He was not described as a fat chubby baby, but I wouldn't call him overly thin -- the photos speak for themselves.

 

[SeekingJana]

(Above post shortened for brevity)

Christopher: he has blond hair, huge blue eyes and appears thin.
THE DISAPPEARANCE OF CHRISTOPHER
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That was my source material. However, I looked at Pediatric height and weight charts and he was just fine in terms of growth and development in height and weight stated on his missing profiles online. He also does not look malnourished to me in photos available to us.

I found some more info while searching the photographs. I think I know the answers but I choose to post the info as questions.

Is it factual that Mr. Abeyta lived with " E.B." in a husband- wife relationship for 22 years?

Is it factual that this time included over 21 years AFTER Christopher disappeared?

Is it factual that a civil court has found one of the daughters liable for defamation against " E.B." within the past 5-6 years and ordered a sum in the 6 figure range to be paid to " E.B." in damages?
IF this one is true, should " E.B." be mentioned on this site at all??

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Gil Abeyta (Christopher's father) said his wife Bernice failed two polygraphs.

"We all went through lie detector tests,” Gil Abeyta said.
The child's mother failed two tests, which she blames on prescription medication.
Investigators: Closer Look at Case of Missing Baby

But Bernice stated in a different interview that the police told her not to take Xanax for 24 hours before the polygraph and so she didn’t take any.
Colorado Springs Gazette Telegraph Archives, Aug 7, 1986, p. 2

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

That was my source material. However, I looked at Pediatric height and weight charts and he was just fine in terms of growth and development in height and weight stated on his missing profiles online. He also does not look malnourished to me in photos available to us.

I found some more info while searching the photographs. I think I know the answers but I choose to post the info as questions.

Is it factual that Mr. Abeyta lived with " E.B." in a husband- wife relationship for 22 years?

Is it factual that this time included over 21 years AFTER Christopher disappeared?

Is it factual that a civil court has found one of the daughters liable for defamation against " E.B." within the past 5-6 years and ordered a sum in the 6 figure range to be paid to " E.B." in damages?
IF this one is true, should " E.B." be mentioned on this site at all??

<modsnipped no link to substantiate> Gil and some members of his family were "crisscrossing the nation and driving around Mexico" looking for Christopher. Bernice moved to NM for some time after Christopher disappeared so she could allegedly look for him there.
Mexico City Journal; Down the Years, a Father Hunts His Stolen Son

 

[denalves]

That was my source material. However, I looked at Pediatric height and weight charts and he was just fine in terms of growth and development in height and weight stated on his missing profiles online. He also does not look malnourished to me in photos available to us.

I found some more info while searching the photographs. I think I know the answers but I choose to post the info as questions.

Is it factual that Mr. Abeyta lived with " E.B." in a husband- wife relationship for 22 years?

Is it factual that this time included over 21 years AFTER Christopher disappeared?

Is it factual that a civil court has found one of the daughters liable for defamation against " E.B." within the past 5-6 years and ordered a sum in the 6 figure range to be paid to " E.B." in damages?
IF this one is true, should " E.B." be mentioned on this site at all??

No, No, and No. All of this information is available on Christopher's Facebook Page and is discussed in great detail. A civil suit was filed for defamation along with the loss of job and the jury found everything to be TRUE and nothing to be defamatory on Christopher's facebook page and website. Per the public court documents Christopher's family was given a tip and told that EB was posting on Christopher's facebook page under a fake name of Jae Crystal from her place of work. Christopher's sister contacted her place of employment. In court under oath EB claimed that Jae Crystal was her grand daughters friend and she has since committed suicide (therefore was unable to be present to testify, right?). The detective testified EB told him it was her, but under oath she testified she wanted to protect this girl so she made that because the girl had an abusive mom! EB was awarded money for the loss of her employment. If you want additional information about the civil suit, it is a public court document. There are articles as well online.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Is it factual that a civil court has found one of the daughters liable for defamation against " E.B." within the past 5-6 years and ordered a sum in the 6 figure range to be paid to " E.B." in damages?
IF this one is true, should " E.B." be mentioned on this site at all??

(shortened for brevity)

A jury has ruled that the sister of a missing boy must pay $150,000 to the woman the family has accused in his disappearance.
Jury orders sister of missing boy Christopher Abeyta to pay $150K

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Many people have fake Facebook pages. I'll guess that one-fifth of Websleuth users have a fake FB page. It's not illegal and it's not a sign that someone is a criminal.

 

[denalves]

Many people have fake Facebook pages. I'll guess that one-fifth of Websleuth users have a fake FB page. It's not illegal and it's not a sign that someone is a criminal.

It's not illegal unless you lie about it when asked by Detectives investigating a missing baby or lie about it under oath in a court of law. It's not illegal unless you use it to stalk someone with ill intent.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

<modsnipped>

“I’ve done what I had to do in life and so I’m okay,” Abeyta said.
Woman Who Lost Baby To Kidnapper In 1986 Has Dying Wish

 

[denalves]

We've worked very hard to find Christopher. A lot is known that has not been shared with the public purposely. <modsnipped>

 

[denalves]

<modsnipped>

“I’ve done what I had to do in life and so I’m okay,” Abeyta said.
Woman Who Lost Baby To Kidnapper In 1986 Has Dying Wish

It had to be crushing to EB that he went back to his loving wife.
My mom did everything she could to find her son and she knew that when she passed away. She is also quoted in the article you linked,
"While she may never know what happened to baby Christopher, she believes in justice." “They’re going to have to face the facts someday that they didn’t help the parent of a missing child find their child and they’re going to have to pay for that,” said Abeyta."

 

[SeekingJana]

Local newspaper archives which show the lengths police went to in order to try to find Christopher. Here's a page that shows a lake being drained... all the while, the police said they had NO reason to think his remains were there.<modsnipped>
Colorado Springs Gazette Telegraph Archives, Aug 7, 1986

 

[Roselvr]

Correct, my sister with downs syndrome did not have a "caregiver".

Thanks for stopping in Denise. I'm on the East Coast in NJ, was passed my bedtime, been waking up between 3:30 and 4:30am so I'm lacking sleep yesterday. I thought I'd read somewhere your sister was raised with you guys (without a caregiver coming in) but have been having computer issues, browser crashes when I open too much. Figured it was more reliable if it came from you.

While I advocate for Missing and Unidentified people, I'm also an adoption advocate since 1999 when I started looking for my 1/2 brother that was put for adoption in 1960. Way back when Christopher was taken there was illegal adoption via what's called black and gray market adoptions. There were many places that took kids that were taken. They used to deliver babies, tell the parents the baby died, then adopt out the kids. They took kids other ways too.

Wouldn't be hard for an adoption center to have a birth certificate made. As I've mentioned my son is a few weeks older the Christopher, born September 26, 85. Back then we did not file social security cards or birth certificate right away, the forms were given to us. When I had my daughter in 1993 it was mandatory to leave both forms with the hospital on discharge. That's when they started using it to track people.

It would have been very easy for EB or anyone else for those that don't think EB is guilty to take Christopher to another state to have him adopted out.

If anyone wants info on black and gray market adoptions I can probably grab it later unless I'm too busy raising my 5 year old grandson. Very easy to google it. Florida comes to mind, that was the epicenter of them.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

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[Gunslinging Granny]

<modsnipped misquotes article> After the affair ended, Christopher’s sister, mother, and dad created the FB page where EB is repeatedly implicated in Christopher's disappearance.
Colorado Springs infant snatched from crib at foot of parents' bed

 

[Roselvr]

I can’t find any articles showing that the one family member of Christopher Abeyta ever paid E.B. the $150,000 which the court ordered her to pay For defamation.

If E.B. was framed for the abduction of Christopher, would that family member still have to pay EB the $150,000?

<modsnip>
From memory and I've followed this case about as long as I've been here, there is nothing to pay with EB being named person of interest. There is an article somewhere, maybe try going to the family page to see what's linked there.

For those who haven’t read this, here is the article where it discusses how Christopher’s dad continued to have an affair with EB for 22 years after Christopher disappeared. After the affair ended, Christopher’s sister, mother, and dad created the FB page where EB is repeatedly implicated in Christopher's disappearance.
Colorado Springs infant snatched from crib at foot of parents' bed

If I thought someone took my kids, I'd probably do the same as he did. You get more with honey then vinegar.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

<modsnipped>
From memory and I've followed this case about as long as I've been here, there is nothing to pay with EB being named person of interest. There is an article somewhere, maybe try going to the family page to see what's linked there.



If I thought someone took my kids, I'd probably do the same as he did. You get more with honey then vinegar.

BBM
That's incorrect. The member of Christopher's family who contacted EB's boss, defamed her, and got her fired must pay EB $150,000 as ordered by a judge. (See my previous links.)

EB has never been named as a person of interest. There is not a single article quoting a Colorado Springs detective or FBI agent stating that EB is a POI. None. (See my previous links.)

The Colorado Springs Police Department stated that they have a POI, but they did not list a name. <modsnipped not victim friendly>

 

[msphilosopher]

For those who haven’t read this, here is the article where it discusses how Christopher’s dad continued to have an affair with EB for 22 years after Christopher disappeared. After the affair ended, Christopher’s sister, mother, and dad created the FB page where EB is repeatedly implicated in Christopher's disappearance.
Colorado Springs infant snatched from crib at foot of parents' bed

From the article you linked:

" Her account described how her life was turned upside down by what she called outrageous lies.

The affair between herself and Gil didn’t end the day his son Christopher disappeared, she pointed out. It would last for the next 22 years, Bradshaw’s lawsuit says. They saw each other at least twice a week and took trips together. Emma claimed that she invested $30,000 in business ventures. The Abeyta dispute this claim. "

It's okay if you have a different opinion or a minority opinion of what happened to Christopher and who's responsible. But your post seems to twist the words of MSM articles to fit your narrative.

This isn't an article discussing HOW Mr. Abeyta had an affair for 22 years with EB. This is an article discussing EB's claims in defending herself which happens to mention SHE claimed the affair lasted for 22 years.

The Abeytas have openly admitted to maintaining a "relationship" with EB in order to gather intel. I'm not sure that "relationship" is synonymous with the word "affair". But it could be in the mind of a pathological liar.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

<modsnipped - posting comments which are against TOS> Christopher's dad, Gil, admitted to having an affair with EB and even giving EB gifts after Christopher disappeared.
(See my previous link 3-4 pages ago)