CO CO - Christopher Abeyta, 7 mos, Colorado Springs, 15 July 1986

[denalves]

Unfortunately, you have some good and some bad with the media being quite different in the 80's. There was not as much coverage across the nation in the 80's; only some locals would have heard about Christopher's disappearance. This is a hinderance in the investigation.

However, on the upside, you did not have the national media looking at your family's every move and subjecting you to the intense scrutiny that happens now. Since LE focused on your mom early on, especially when she failed the LD test, the media would have also likely focused on your mom.

However, I do think that with media attention, LE may have been forced to "think outside the box" and consider additional suspects. Your mom would have also had additional help in "sleuthing" your main suspect. The media would have had a field day with this suspect's record. This may have pushed LE into looking deeper into her involvement.

It is hard to say if it would the difference would have been good or bad; but it certainly would have made a difference to have the internet and media attention on your brother's case many years ago.

My heart just hurts for your family. It is amazing that your mom has held on to hope for all of these years.

ETA:

My family wishes Christopher would have had National Media attention. We were so desperate to get his photo out and information about his disappearance. We did it the hard way with fliers. We sent packages of fliers to people across the United States, but really I look back and how sad that was, a flier of a missing baby posted up in a store! No National media attention. He got little bits here and there, but his story has never been told. It needs to be.

My Mom was under public scrutiny early on by the community (ask anyone from CS who lived there in 86), but my Parents have always had a good relationship with the local media. Yes, media is sometimes going to get reporting/facts wrong, but my Parents never had anything to hide, and they always spoke to media freely when asked because they knew they had to keep their sons disappearance out there.

The cold case detectives have the advantage of "time" in my brothers case. They know my parents have never wavered in the search for my brother. And they can see all of the work my Parents have done over the years.

My Parents have never given up on Christopher.


It would be very interesting to know the dynamics between these two; and what kind of personality her son has with the influence his mother must have on his life.

I agree.

 

[denalves]

My family wishes Christopher would have had National Media attention. We were so desperate to get his photo out and information about his disappearance. We did it the hard way with fliers. We sent packages of fliers to people across the United States, but really I look back and how sad that was, a flier of a missing baby posted up in a store! No National media attention. He got little bits here and there, but his story has never been told. It needs to be.

My Mom was under public scrutiny early on by the community (ask anyone from CS who lived there in 86), but my Parents have always had a good relationship with the local media. Yes, media is sometimes going to get reporting/facts wrong, but my Parents never had anything to hide, and they always spoke to media freely when asked because they knew they had to keep their sons disappearance out there.

The cold case detectives have the advantage of "time" in my brothers case. They know my parents have never wavered in the search for my brother. And they can see all of the work my Parents have done over the years.

My Parents have never given up on Christopher.

 

[denalves]

EB has two brothers, twins. They are now in there 50's and also single. They live together in Pueblo. They said that they admitted their sister to a hospital in Denver in the 80's due to "plumbing" issues. They used that term and it took me a minute to register what they meant. EB was placed on the OB ward with a woman who had just delivered a baby. They said that she was asking for the woman's baby next to her, so much so that the Dr. told them that they needed to admit her to Highlands, which is a behavioral health psychiatric care center in Denver. So they did. They said that she was there a few days and given medication. I asked them if they found this odd that she would have this behavior like this asking for a baby, and they said something like, "No, not with everything she was going through." My Mom did confirm EB was in the hospital.

The brothers also lie. When talking to them they are believable. There were a couple things they said that I knew was not the truth but I continued to listen to see how far they would take it. They have health issues. They both have been arrested in the past for DUI's, and other minor things. Ironically, the Sherrif (EB's very good "friend") wrote a letter to a judge when one of them missed getting back to their work release program (another piece of information retreieved from the trash!). He also was at the jail house and signed paper work when they got booked one time.

One of the brothers lived a couple miles from our house where Christopher disappeared.

 

[chaddylex]

EB has two brothers, twins. They are now in there 50's and also single. They live together in Pueblo. They said that they admitted their sister to a hospital in Denver in the 80's due to "plumbing" issues. They used that term and it took me a minute to register what they meant. EB was placed on the OB ward with a woman who had just delivered a baby. They said that she was asking for the woman's baby next to her, so much so that the Dr. told them that they needed to admit her to Highlands, which is a behavioral health psychiatric care center in Denver. So they did. They said that she was there a few days and given medication. I asked them if they found this odd that she would have this behavior like this asking for a baby, and they said something like, "No, not with everything she was going through." My Mom did confirm EB was in the hospital.

The brothers also lie. When talking to them they are believable. There were a couple things they said that I knew was not the truth but I continued to listen to see how far they would take it. They have health issues. They both have been arrested in the past for DUI's, and other minor things. Ironically, the Sherrif (EB's very good "friend") wrote a letter to a judge when one of them missed getting back to their work release program (another piece of information retreieved from the trash!). He also was at the jail house and signed paper work when they got booked one time.

One of the brothers lived a couple miles from our house where Christopher disappeared.

I wish your brother's case would get into the hands of the right people so EB and her family could be thoroughly investigated.....ahhh... my heart breaks for your family.

Did you ever think about contacting Nancy Grace? I know last winter she had that show on HLN "Find 50 people in 50 days". Maybe someone like her could get Christopher's story out and if he is alive, he would see it?? (just a thought)

I am hoping that one day soon you get the answers of what happened to Christopher.

 

[cocomod]

This case really needs to still get more national attention to possibly shake something loose that has been there all of the time. I saw your dad on talking the other day about baby Lisa and trying to talk to her parents. They shut the door in his face. Did he ever get to talk to them?

I would love to see Dateline do this story. Possibly we should start a petition to send to them.

 

[denalves]

I wish your brother's case would get into the hands of the right people so EB and her family could be thoroughly investigated.....ahhh... my heart breaks for your family.

Did you ever think about contacting Nancy Grace? I know last winter she had that show on HLN "Find 50 people in 50 days". Maybe someone like her could get Christopher's story out and if he is alive, he would see it?? (just a thought)

I am hoping that one day soon you get the answers of what happened to Christopher.

We have asked the CSPD for a cold case review for years and finally they agreed to have the National Center for Missing Children review. But it was my Mom who gathered all the investigative information on EB. And it was a lot of hard work. I couldn't believe when I went to the Pueblo Court house just under two years ago and the Court Record, State of Colorado vs. EB had never been accessed. They had to pull it out of archives. It showed she had stalked, harrassed, and entered another families home whom she was having an affair with a few years before she met my Dad. I also pulled all of her police reports from Pueblo, mostly her reporting a burglary or her being involved in one. Of course we gave it all to LE.

I have contacted Nancy Grace through email several times but to no avail. I also posted Christopher's story on the find 50 people in 50 days. Acutally posted it up there several times and didn't get a response.

 

[chaddylex]

We have asked the CSPD for a cold case review for years and finally they agreed to have the National Center for Missing Children review. But it was my Mom who gathered all the investigative information on EB. And it was a lot of hard work. I couldn't believe when I went to the Pueblo Court house just under two years ago and the Court Record, State of Colorado vs. EB had never been accessed. They had to pull it out of archives. It showed she had stalked, harrassed, and entered another families home whom she was having an affair with a few years before she met my Dad. I also pulled all of her police reports from Pueblo, mostly her reporting a burglary or her being involved in one. Of course we gave it all to LE.

I have contacted Nancy Grace through email several times but to no avail. I also posted Christopher's story on the find 50 people in 50 days. Acutally posted it up there several times and didn't get a response.

Keep trying.. maybe someday someone will pick his story up that can put it on National TV!!! The case that is very dear to my heart was on Nancy's 50 people in 50 days. Cherie Mahan went missing not far from where I am from in 1985. She is a year younger than me and her case is why I got involved in helping find the missing. They have had a couple of tips, but nothing has panned out.

Again good luck!!! i hope you get some answers soon!

 

[denalves]

Christopher Abeyta - 25 years later - YouTube

 

[TheDuchess]

I had a dream about this little boy last night and I felt badly because I thought of him as some forgotten child in jus a sea of missing children. I just had to click on the link to learn more. How happy I was to learn that this little boy has never been forgotten and how hard his family has looked for him. I share Christophers mothers hope that DB gave this child away to someone. I hope the increased media attention and the power of the Internet help find him-maybe even alive and well! I will pray for Christopher and his family tonight!

 

[TheDuchess]

Hi Denlves- first of all I am so sorry for what your family has gone through and I pray you find your brother. I think the key is that you have Internet and media on your side and also the name of a suspect. I was wondering if Christopher had any distinguishing characteristics that he may recognize? A birthmark? Scars? Rare blood type? Sometimes these things are noted on the birth records. Did he go by a nickname? Or did EB have a particular name she liked that she may have called him when handing him off?

We have asked the CSPD for a cold case review for years and finally they agreed to have the National Center for Missing Children review. But it was my Mom who gathered all the investigative information on EB. And it was a lot of hard work. I couldn't believe when I went to the Pueblo Court house just under two years ago and the Court Record, State of Colorado vs. EB had never been accessed. They had to pull it out of archives. It showed she had stalked, harrassed, and entered another families home whom she was having an affair with a few years before she met my Dad. I also pulled all of her police reports from Pueblo, mostly her reporting a burglary or her being involved in one. Of course we gave it all to LE.

I have contacted Nancy Grace through email several times but to no avail. I also posted Christopher's story on the find 50 people in 50 days. Acutally posted it up there several times and didn't get a response.

 

[SheWhoMustNotBeNamed]

Father of Colorado infant who vanished in 1986 sees eerie parallels in Lisa Irwin case

Gil Abeyta was in a kind of twilight sleep a couple of weeks ago as he dozed and half listened to a radio next to his bed.

But after a minute or so, the elements of the Colorado Springs, Colo., newscast yanked him awake … an infant snatched from parents’ home … in the middle of the night … a failed lie detector test ….

It took Abeyta, 69, a minute to realize that the announcer wasn’t rehashing the details of his own son’s abduction 25 years earlier. Rather, it was a new case — in Kansas City.

Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/28/3235919/father-of-colorado-infant-who.html#ixzz1cDKwESI3
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[cocomod]

:bump: for Christopher and for his family. My heart just goes out to you.

 

[Ausgirl]

I'm so happy that outside agencies are looking into this case.

Like the 1981 Cabin 28 murders in Keddie, California, Christopher's kidnapping was clearly and badly mishandled by the police at the time. In that case too, vital evidence was "lost" or "destroyed" and many leads were ignored. Like the Keddie case, it's been up to family and concerned private citizens to continue the investigation LE failed to do.

Like that case, too, it never got appropriate national airtime, when that sort of exposure really could have helped. 30 years later, people are slowly starting to come forward - and I pray that this is what happens for Christopher and his family.

When will the police be made accountable for the additional suffering their incompetence and corruption inflicts on people who are already in agony?

Christopher's family deserve the support they never got all these years. Good luck to them, I hope their diligence and persistence leads them to him, and may Christopher be safe and well, wherever he is.

 

[denalves]

Any websleuthers out there who can locate this vehicle? Make Toyota, Year 1982, VIN JT4RN38S0C0022987, Title No 02E864981, Previous Colorado License plate 1855A6. Long Shot...possible DNA.

 

[Sleuthnewbie]

Any websleuthers out there who can locate this vehicle? Make Toyota, Year 1982, VIN JT4RN38S0C0022987, Title No 02E864981, Previous Colorado License plate 1855A6. Long Shot...possible DNA.

I checked carfax.com and noticed that there is one record that is listed for this VIN. Unfortunately, you need to pay for the report . Maybe you could call them and let them know your situation - they could give you the info for free perhaps.

 

[denalves]

I checked carfax.com and noticed that there is one record that is listed for this VIN. Unfortunately, you need to pay for the report . Maybe you could call them and let them know your situation - they could give you the info for free perhaps.

Thank you. I will go pull it. I don't think it will give previous owners but will allow me to see how many times the title has been transferred and maybe some other info I can use.

 

[cocomod]

This is a great article that mentions Christopher and his family's search.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/old-132568-missing-dedicated.html

Not about Christopher, but KUDOS to this detective!

Lopez started the missing person’s unit in 2009 and, after seeing how much work there was, recruited four computer-savvy volunteers who started helping him in 2011. By this month their 100-plus case load was whittled down to 25 missing people. They tracked down people in Germany and Mexico.

Most of those tracked down were adults who, for whatever reason, decided to walk away from their lives in Colorado Springs without telling loved ones. In most cases, once they were found, they didn’t want to communicate with their families, Lopez said.

In the NamUs database, a picture of doe-eyed Christopher Abeyta is one of the oldest Colorado Springs cases listed.

Alves used the database once to try to track down Christopher. Once, she saw that a baby’s body was found in Texas and sent an e-mail to site managers. Her e-mail was quickly returned and she was told that the baby was a newborn, so it couldn’t be Christopher.

Just searching the site was hard, she said, because finding his body on it would mean that he was dead and her mom insists he’s alive.

“I checked, because I had to,” she said. “I don’t know the answer if he’s alive or not.”

 

[smile22]

Thank you. I will go pull it. I don't think it will give previous owners but will allow me to see how many times the title has been transferred and maybe some other info I can use.

i sent you info in a pm plus a link to check out. i just found your brothers case and i pray that he is found.

i do believe eb had something to do with him. i wonder if you had fliers made up of his baby picture and his age progressed picture and then put them up near where her ranch was in nm

 

[audie]

This case brings back memories. My daughter was born in Co Spgs, 3 days after Christopher was taken. Even though the nurses knew who I was, they watched me and the nursery like a hawk. I really got bad vibes cause I didn't understand what had happened. Only later, after hearing about Christopher, did I figure out why they were eyeing me like that.

 

[Penny Lane]

EB has two brothers, twins. They are now in there 50's and also single. They live together in Pueblo. They said that they admitted their sister to a hospital in Denver in the 80's due to "plumbing" issues. They used that term and it took me a minute to register what they meant. EB was placed on the OB ward with a woman who had just delivered a baby. They said that she was asking for the woman's baby next to her, so much so that the Dr. told them that they needed to admit her to Highlands, which is a behavioral health psychiatric care center in Denver. So they did. They said that she was there a few days and given medication. I asked them if they found this odd that she would have this behavior like this asking for a baby, and they said something like, "No, not with everything she was going through." My Mom did confirm EB was in the hospital.

The brothers also lie. When talking to them they are believable. There were a couple things they said that I knew was not the truth but I continued to listen to seey how far they would take it. They have health issues. They both have been arrested in the past for DUI's, and other minor things. Ironically, the Sherrif (EB's very good "friend") wrote a letter to a judge when one of them missed getting back to their work release program (another piece of information retreieved from the trash!). He also was at the jail house and signed paper work when they got booked one time.

One of the brothers lived a couple miles from our house where Christopher disappeared.

Would EB have sought assistance from the brother that lived only a few miles away? Did that brother have close neighbors that would have seen or heard something? And would it be useful to search the area and house now?