Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #30

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  • #361
Something similar to this happened in the Millard/Smich murder trial here in Canada. Surveillance cam that caught the suspects leaving the victim's house in his truck was off by like an hour and two minutes, or something odd like that. I can't recall the exact time discrepancy but it was explained in court.

In this case though, I think it's possible we all may be jumping the gun, since the brief video clip shown on the news is not actually the same video the ECSO has/has viewed. We've seen a copy, of a copy, at a weird angle from a tv screen. I have no question that LE has seen the full, original version, with the correct date and time.

jmo

Yeah I think they have too. I think it's odd that media would release it without permission. Gannon was not openly presumed deceased. It's a bit different to release footage without permission when the victims life is no longer in danger. Whether home safe or already deceased I mean. Media releasing while active searches are going on feels very irresponsible since that could push someone to act out and hurt a missing child. It was unlikely here but still
 
  • #362
Another thing:

If LS was innocent, her response to learning about a bloody board would have been “Why would someone assume a board they found out in the woods is connected to Gannon? I pray it’s not because that would mean someone harmed him.”

Not admitting immediately that there probably could be a bloody board and sock out there and offering an explanation.
 
  • #363
That's my sense. Possibly she dropped him off with an accomplice "doctor" and he didn't survive so the rental car was needed to transport and hide him.
The video "could" be accurate but so far it was the neighbor who explained it and it felt like perhaps he was put up to a ruse likely set to trap her.
Remember she said something about the video being wrong and Harley's car was parked there instead in the afternoon?
I feel like they tricked her into talking but leaked just enough to affirm to the public they have solid leads.
QUESTION: Do we know the exact date that the video was made known to AS?? If so, was this before or after the car rental?
 
  • #364
I don't think she'd risk it. Even if the abduction issue was on her mind, by that point she's being watched. Perhaps she used the rental car to dispose of other items she thought of as evidence (example the 2 x4 and the sock and maybe even other things we haven't found yet)

The thing for me is that she's so gung ho on talking about how people are going to apologize to her. And I think she's frustrated because she basically staged his death scene but no one's found him yet and she knows she can't even hint to where he'd be located because it would blow her story. So she has to wait.
She may not have been being watched closely those first 24 hours though, because it was still being treated as a runaway case then.
 
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I wonder if the return to little Gannon's body and moving him had to do with her changing her story. IOW - your scenario of her leaving him somewhere to look like he fell accidentally and that's how he sustained the injuries she gave him fits her first story of him running away, but then she changed her story to he was abducted. When did she change her story? When did she learn they found blood in the garage? We know she changed her story "as needed" - could that also have been the prompt for changing how, where, and whether he would be found?
This is where reviewing the timeline can come in handy. I was thinking along similar lines yesterday. How to cross reference dates of her interview and statements vs LE press releases vs LH & AS interviews. This could help identify what occurrences from the previous day motivated TS to speak out or alter her words.
 
  • #367
I would be shocked if they unseal it, IMO. Since both prosecution and defense requested it sealed (other than LS’ attorneys requesting access), I would think the judge will agree to that.
Sorry to ask an awkward question about this..... Wouldn't LS and her lawyers need it opened to start building the defence?? And with LS, wouldn't she want to know "what they have got on her" asap, to start fabricating a story to explain it ??? Just going on her recent behaviour….
Also is there a certain length of time, from when it is opened, to when they must proceed to trial?
Thanks....
 
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I think we'll find out based on that 3 part article, that they found a circular blood stain in Gannon's bedroom and based on the blood lost, that he would die without medical attention. The bloody 2x4 will be used as supporting evidence along with whatever they found by the bloody 2x4. I think this will be one of the weakest no body prosecution cases in history.


Patrick Frazee they had a witness spoon feeding them what happened. It was similar to the John Ortiz-Kehoe trial. They found stuffed where he destroyed the body and an eye witness same as the Kehoe trial. This case I can't think of anything similar to it I think there evidence weaker than the Fotis Dulos case and any other case using blood analysis.

Yes they had a witness in PF’s case, but she was far from being seen as fully credible, she was involved in the crime both before and after it happened, and had reason to fabricate things to protect herself. They still nailed him though. They also waited to arrest him at first too, just like in this case. I feel Dan May knows what he is doing, how to time things right, and how to be patient for the arrest until he knows he has a solid enough case.
 
  • #369
All I say right now is WOW! This is the best timeline I have seen on WS. I will help work on this with you today. It will keep me busy and help me refresh with a new perspective. Your dedication to this work of intel is inspiring. It helps me identify the facts and the type of info needed for accurate and relevant posting of news articles. Thank you.
Aww thanks - we need to insert the rental car information and the videos from her FB - her interview with Leigh and I’m sure other items and her arrest of course !
 
  • #370
QUESTION: Do we know the exact date that the video was made known to AS?? If so, was this before or after the car rental?
I believe the following Sunday after he went missing - link is in the timeline I just posted
 
  • #371
Sorry to ask an awkward question about this..... Wouldn't LS and her lawyers need it opened to start building the defence?? And with LS, wouldn't she want to know "what they have got on her" asap, to start fabricating a story to explain it ??? Just going on her recent behaviour….
Also is there a certain length of time, from when it is opened, to when they must proceed to trial?
Thanks....

Yes, they are asking for it to be unsealed to the defense, but not publicly. They would be able to view it, but the public wouldn’t.
 
  • #372
I wouldn't be surprised if most motions and orders of the court are either flat out sealed or mostly restricted.

I do wonder if there will be some sort of probable cause affidavit which will be public which will show enough of the case that lead to the charges so the judge can decide if there is enough to set the case for trial.
 
  • #373
Maybe the H is for her maiden name Hardin ?
As for the Lynn/Leann it must depend on which {fake} ID she shows them. Seems to have a lot of aliases.
I suspect her name scramble is what allows her to pass background checks when she applies for jobs. A school teacher is supposed to have a spotless background. Applications specifically ask if you are known by any other names.
 
  • #374
Another thing:

If LS was innocent, her response to learning about a bloody board would have been “Why would someone assume a board they found out in the woods is connected to Gannon? I pray it’s not because that would mean someone harmed him.”

Not admitting immediately that there probably could be a bloody board and sock out there and offering an explanation.

Good point! There was also zero reason to assume the bloody board was even from her garage, the fact she assumed this and made up a cover story say's it all. My reaction would be a bloody board?!? where did this board come from, test it for dna i
 
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That's possible. I'm not sure though we can conclude she doesn't have family support from her use of a PD. We don't know anything about the economic status of her family (and since we aren't supposed to sleuth them...)

I think it's probably safe to conclude though that IF family members live in southeast NC and own their own homes, those homes cost less than comparable homes would in some other places (like Colorado Spgs or many places in California, for example.) So even mortgaging might not pay for much of an attorney for a case like this. JMO
There is a possibility that TS misinformed herself to believe that she would be appointed an attorney (of her choice). Her PD appears strong at the gate, but only time will tell if they have a productive and cooperative relationship.
 
  • #377
I've skimmed through the back end of the last thread and the beginning of this thread, so forgive me if this has been discussed.

It feels like the stop in Saline may actually be pretty important, Re: the rental car. I'm not sure if we've gotten any kind of confirmation on the actual mileage driven, but Saline is close to the distance that could have been driven in that time period with the questioned mileage. I wonder if she's started talking and there will be a stop on the route back towards CS? I've always felt that east is the direction Gannon ended up, and this puts them right on that path. Otherwise, if they had multiple drivers, not quite sure of the stop then and there.
 
  • #378
I suspect her name scramble is what allows her to pass background checks when she applies for jobs. A school teacher is supposed to have a spotless background. Applications specifically ask if you are known by any other names.


Very interesting observation. (OFF TOPIC!!!) My fiance and I were stalked by a woman who apparently thought that because she fell in love with him as a friend and finally got the guts up to tell him and he told her no, and gently rejected her that she could stalk him and facebook slander him. She stalked us for 4 months straight in escalating ways. She has multiple facebook accounts as well.

What's interesting is that I knew something was off because she was fired after 16 years as a teacher in MA. for "driving a teenaged boy home from school." (My fiancee actually believed her but I said, no way) Anyway, she also does a name scramble like that. Her name is Anne XXXXX but sometimes she changes it up and goes by Ann E XXXXX and sometimes by Annie XXXXX I told him I felt like this was deliberate, now I can see why.

Great insight!
 
  • #379
There is a possibility that TS misinformed herself to believe that she would be appointed an attorney (of her choice). Her PD appears strong at the gate, but only time will tell if they have a productive and cooperative relationship.

She thinks she is smarter than everyone else. I think she will have a hard time following directions from her attorney. I also think she will be trying to get a "big name" lawyer to represent her because I think she sees herself as quite the celebrity.
 
  • #380
Have we heard anything about whether the judge will grant the defense’s request to limit/exclude media? And is there something at 1:30 today? I can’t remember.
 
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