Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #32

[Chewy]

Disagree because it does not explain why the charge is murder, not manslaughter
All head wounds bleed profusely, particularly scalp wounds.
She 'forgot' her own phone.

I think it's murder because she won't give up the body and she didn't tell them what happened. So they are going for it all the way.

 

[stattlich1]

Tampering also covers “hiding” and keep body from law enforcement.

Yes, I get this. So if she killed him at an identified location, then she

A. tampered/hid him there, or somewhere close by (which I believe if this were the case his body would have been found)

B. moved him from the spot LE has identified as where he was killed

C. killed him in the truck and disposed of him

 

[v0x]

Gannon Stauch's father files for divorce after stepmother arrested for murder - KRDO

 

[Megnut]

The rental car.... all our information is coming from a lying liar who lies. Consider this: after her actions on the 27th, AND realizing that despite her careful (premeditated) planning she'd had her Apple watch on that whole day, by the 28th she was in full CYA mode. And desperate to circumvent her previous mistakes. I could imagine a strong sense of paranoia-- so she goes to the airport to get AS. HOURS ahead of his flight. Parks in the lot, enters the airport. All nice normal behavior, in case anyone's watching (LE).... once inside she rents a car and leaves possibly via another exit.... while her car waits patiently at the airport, as if she's there too.

She drives straight to the location of Gannon's body. Removes him. Returns to the airport, parking maybe even in the rental lot, if one exists. Now, according to HER, she and AS left together in the rental, but to my knowledge, that's been verified BY NO ONE.

Despite what SHE says, I wonder if AS knew she'd rented a car. She seems to have no trouble selling alternate facts that are both not true and easily debunked. Not her worry.

Regardless of how they left and in how many vehicles, IMO Gannon's body was in the trunk. Devastating all of it but she operates without fear, without decency.

IMO as soon as TS was alone with the rental, I believe she went fully into relocation mode, moving him even farther from home.

IMO that selfsame Tuesday, she ceased living in the family home -- drama, dissention AND she had a REASON for not being there-- she NEEDED to be elsewhere. Off the grid.

I think she became POI primary uno because I think she was unreachable all of Wednedsay morning, the 29th.

I do however think she DID have a phone at this time. Borrowed. From a minor. To navigate. Check this: hotel room. Rental car. Daughter. Leave daughter in hotel room, tell her you're going out ALL NIGHT to search for Gannon. The caring thing to do. Rental car so he doesn't run from family vehicles (because that's logical) and cover of dark (because that's a good time for searching)... like magic, she buys herself 16 hours or more where no one knows where she is and no one can reach her. She said herself, with the back of her head, that people were saying she'd disappeared. Truth.

I believe JMO that LE has found the location where Gannon ORIGINALLY was. I believe they've found considerable evidence, far more than the sock and board. Those are likely in the arrest warrant. Enough to secure the warrant. But NOT EVERYTHING they have.

She KNEW her Apple watch had the potential to be her undoing. Hence her doubling down. Yup, backroads. Because because. Yup, sock. Because because flower pots. Yup, board. Because because Albert has tools. She just keeps spinning new yarns to presplain and postsplain everything that comes to light. No worries, it'll be a slam dunk case when it's presented, provided she doesn't Fotis herself first, because there will be a thousand data points and a truckload of forensic evidence. They'll know if she so much as sneezed that day.

It will be jarring.

I hate to consider it but other monsters before her have left children to die. I hear a mother's anguish when she describes JUSTICE FOR THIS HEINOUS CRIME. Heinous. I suspect ESPECIALLY heinous. Perhaps TS always INTENDED to return to the scene to confirm the outcome and to remove any restraints. Perhaps she hadn't counted on the rapid, early pressure. Questions from LE she couldn't answer well, AS and LH coming immediately, etc, etc. But either way, that combined with the Apple tracking, she must've known she'd have to rehide him. She wasn't as worried about her odyssey of stupidity toward Castle Rock, her debris field because I imagine she never expected LE to look so hard. Disordered though process: who's going to connect a sock or a this or a that to something 40 miles away? All told, I don't think Gannon was part of THAT journey.... I think he was first...JMO. And I believe, just like the searchpoints in and around Palmer Lake, I think her Apple watch led LE right to where he was, just a couple weeks after she'd already moved him.

Triggers. I can't help but to wonder if the extradition by car wasn't intentional. Unspoken but along the route LE knows the rental took... it may have dawned on her SHARPLY that they were on to her. She may have even thought that meant they'd found him. Hence the handcuff Houdini... she wanted out of that car. Either by causing a deadly accident or by assaulting an officer and gaining control of a weapon and a vehicle....

A woman looking at the charges against her, already a dangerous woman, is NEVER more dangerous than when she has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE TO LOSE.

There isn't a sentence harsh enough for the damage she's inflicted...

JMO JMO JMO

 

[JTR1973]

LE sat in front of the house the next day in an unmarked car and she realized they'd track her so she leaves her phone at home.

RSBM...I thought the day she claimed to leave her phone at home was Monday while they were "shopping."
Did she also leave it behind Tuesday??

 

[Chewy]

How do you account for her leaving her phone at home?

I thought she left her phone at home the next day. Did she leave it at home the same day? She could have because she was covering up for AS and wanted to have an excuse why she didn't call him that day. I think her INITIAL motivation as a cover up (ex making the video as if she accidentally recorded herself) was to cover up her hurting Gannon to save face with AS. Even if he hadn't died she really physically hurt him badly. She knew she crossed a major line.

 

[OldLadyBlues]

Disagree because it does not explain why the charge is murder, not manslaughter
All head wounds bleed profusely, particularly scalp wounds.
She 'forgot' her own phone.

She forgot her own phone because she knew it would "follow her" so to speak. Besides, she needed to not be available at the time, I imagine.

As for the murder charge. some charges are leveled because of the nature of the crime...ie. a child murder. There is no excuse for it! NONE WHAT SO EVER and the law allows for that.

Enumerated First Degree Murders (per Criminal: Findlaw)

State laws often categorize specific types of killings as first degree. In these cases, the typical elements of specific intent to kill, deliberation and premeditation may not be required. These often include:

• the killing of a child by use of unreasonable force;
• certain killings committed in a pattern of domestic abuse;
• the murder of law a law enforcement officer, and
• homicides occurring in the commission of other crimes such as arson, rape, robbery or other violent crimes.

Moo, Moo
edited to give credit

 

[Rosiebones]

I think it's murder because she won't give up the body and she didn't tell them what happened. So they are going for it all the way.

ITA I think it is murder because she injured him Sunday night in a rage and deliberately did not get him medical care.

 

[SalMAnder]

Hi SalMAnder! Good to “see” you.

Hi!! I'm so behind on threads! This has been a week!!

 

[Charlotte65]

The theories that involve guns just don't make quite as much sense imo … because it seems to me that the original plan would have had to be something that would have looked consistent with the story of a runaway, no? Although, once the story changed to the abduction story then maybe the plan could have changed sometime between story #1 and story #2. Still, I wouldn't have thought that a weapon would still even have been necessary at that point …

 

[kittythehare]

Yes, I get this. So if she killed him at an identified location, then she

A. tampered/hid him there, or somewhere close by (which I believe if this were the case his body would have been found)

B. moved him from the spot LE has identified as where he was killed

C. killed him in the truck and disposed of him

What about killing him WITH the truck? Then chucking him in a dumpster, grave or off a height?

 

[kittythehare]

RSBM...I thought the day she claimed to leave her phone at home was Monday while they were "shopping."
Did she also leave it behind Tuesday??

It was Monday 27th January that she left her phone at home.

 

[Mito]

If, for example, she used a plastic bag or her hands to asphyxiate him in an outdoor area, there would be signs, possibly, maybe body fluids.
if she then threw his body in back of truck to drive him to his final disposal site, dumpster or height it could explain blood on whatever else was in back of truck at the time.
She could also have killed him with the alleged blooded stick allegedly located in the woods..
I think they were searching for evidence other than his body on the roadside searches.. According to her, stick was found in wood,not roadside but seriously, anything she said should really be discounted... she makes it up as she goes along.

I don't see her requiring a rental for any purpose associated with her crime on the Monday 27th.
ALL charges to date were dated Monday 27.

I think the rental is a red herring unless further proof emerges that suggests it was involved.

We KNOW she took him away in the red truck.

We KNOW concealing a body is tampering with a body.
We do not know how she killed him but we do know it would not have been hard.
It is possible they have a lot more than the wooden board and we have no evidence they even have a wooden board, those were her words, the mistress of rabbit-holes loved to set the internet off on wild goose chases.

LE say they believe he is dead, that suggests primarily a cadaver dog has signaled confirmation but most likely in the red vehicle. BECAUSE all charges are dated 27th.

IMO the rental was used to hide and provide time to clean the red truck

 

[broadviewren]

DBM

 

[Mito]

Disagree because it does not explain why the charge is murder, not manslaughter
All head wounds bleed profusely, particularly scalp wounds.
She 'forgot' her own phone.

And “forgot” after first taking a driveway selfie.

 

[ChuckInHouston]

I do not think this was a planned murder. At least at this point, although, I have no doubt she is capable of that. As for her anger, it is real, not a cover. People with this personality type are not upset because they are right and you are wrong. They are upset because you dot't believe they are truthful, even though they know they are telling lies. It's not her sense of right or wrong that is skewed, but her perception of self, and what it means to be challenged in any capacity. These type of people will argue over little things when they are wrong, or I should say proven wrong. "That chicken soup is made with X, Y, Z." Then you find the recipe and she argues that it must have come from a different source or book, or it's a typo, knowing you know better, but she really doesn't care, so long as she is not challenged and you give up before she does. These types are dangerous, because it is not at all beyond reason, to think they they would get just that upset, that they would blow up and kill someone.

 

[Jessthinkin]

The rental car.... all our information is coming from a lying liar who lies. Consider this: after her actions on the 27th, AND realizing that despite her careful (premeditated) planning she'd had her Apple watch on that whole day, by the 28th she was in full CYA mode. And desperate to circumvent her previous mistakes. I could imagine a strong sense of paranoia-- so she goes to the airport to get AS. HOURS ahead of his flight. Parks in the lot, enters the airport. All nice normal behavior, in case anyone's watching (LE).... once inside she rents a car and leaves possibly via another exit.... while her car waits patiently at the airport, as if she's there too.

She drives straight to the location of Gannon's body. Removes him. Returns to the airport, parking maybe even in the rental lot, if one exists. Now, according to HER, she and AS left together in the rental, but to my knowledge, that's been verified BY NO ONE.

Despite what SHE says, I wonder if AS knew she'd rented a car. She seems to have no trouble selling alternate facts that are both not true and easily debunked. Not her worry.

Regardless of how they left and in how many vehicles, IMO Gannon's body was in the trunk. Devastating all of it but sge operates without fear, without decency.

IMO as soon as TS was alone with the rental, I believe she went fully into relocation mode, moving him even farther from home.

IMO that selfsame Tuesday, she ceased living in the family home -- drama, dissention AND she had a REASON for not being there-- she NEEDED to be elsewhere. Off the grid.

I think she became POI primary uno because I think she was unreachable all of Wednedsay morning, the 29th.

I do however think she DID have a phone at this time. Borrowed. From a minor. To navigate. Check this: hotel room. Rental car. Daughter. Leave daughter in hotel room, tell her you're going out ALL NIGHT to search for Gannon. The caring thing to do. Rental car so he doesn't run from family vehicles (because that's logical) and cover of dark (because that's a good time for searching)... like magic, she buys herself 16 hours or more where no one knows where she is and no one can reach her. She said herself, with the back of her head, that people were saying she'd disappeared. Truth.

I believe JMO that LE has found the location where Gannon ORIGINALLY was. I believe they've found considerable evidence, far more than the sock and board. Those are likely in the arrest warrant. Enough to secure the warrant. But NOT EVERYTHING they have.

She KNEW her Apple watch had the potential to be her undoing. Hence her doubling down. Yup, backroads. Because because. Yup, sock. Because because flower pots. Yup, board. Because because Albert has tools. She just keeps spinning new yarns to presplain and postsplain everything that comes to light. No worries, it'll be a slam dunk case when it's presented, provided she doesn't Fotis herself first, because there will be a thousand data points and a truckload of forensic evidence. They'll know if she so much as sneezed that day.

It will be jarring.

I hate to consider it but other monsters before her have left children to die. I hear a mother's anguish when she describes JUSTICE FOR THIS HEINOUS CRIME. Heinous. I suspect ESPECIALLY heinous. Perhaps TS always INTENDED to return to the scene to confirm the outcome and to remove any restraints. Perhaps she hadn't counted on the rapid, early pressure. Questions from LE she couldn't answer well, AS and LH coming immediately, etc, etc. But either way, that combined with the Apple tracking, she must've known she'd have to rehide him. She wasn't as worried about her odyssey of stupidity toward Castle Rock, her debris field because I imagine she never expected LE to look so hard. Disordered though process: who's going to connect a sock or a this or a that to something 40 miles away. All told, I don't think Gannon was part of THAT journey.... I think he was first...JMO. And I believe, just like the search points in and around Palmer Lake, I think her Apple watch led LE right to where he was, just a couple weeks after she'd already moved him.

Triggers. I can't help but to wonder if the extradition by car wasn't intentional. Unspoken but along the route LE knows the rental took... it may have dawned on her SHARPLY that they were on to her. She may have even thought that meant they'd found him. Hence the handcuff Houdini... she wanted out of that car. Either by causing a deadly accident or by assaulting an officer and gaining control of a weapon and a vehicle....

A woman looking at the charges against her, already a dangerous woman, is NEVER more dangerous than when she has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE TO LOSE.

There isn't a sentence harsh enough for the damage she's inflicted...

JMO JMO JMO

WOW. I’ve followed this case obsessively since it started, and this is the most thorough and insightful analysis of TS’s state of mind and (likely) actions I’ve read. Thank you!!

 

[kittythehare]

IMO the rental was used to hide and provide time to clean the red truck

The only thing going against that theory is that she would have had an hour to spare on the Monday before child arrived home.
I do think it's most likely that rental was used to keep Al's attention off the the red truck for as long as possible.
That is what makes most sense.
She had time in the morning to drop her vehicle at airport, pick up rental, drive it back home, get truck into carwash/valet and get home, pick up rental again and drive to airport with plenty of time to spare to collect Al.
It is likely he would have noticed something was amiss with red truck pretty quickly had she used that.

 

[stattlich1]

What about killing him WITH the truck? Then chucking him in a dumpster, grave or off a height?

This is entirely possible.

My main point is, I think LE knows the location of Gannon's death, hence the murder charge. Either at a specified location, or in the truck. And I think LE knows Gannon was hidden, or disposed of in some manner.

Each of the above scenarios could be accomplished within the 4 hour window.

I just can't fathom Gannon's body being hidden in the vicinity of where he was killed..... he was killed in the truck and then disposed of in some manner, OR he was killed at a definitive location and moved from that location.

 

[Mito]

Yup! This ^^^ is the scenario that has been making sense to me as of late. Of course, I reserve the right to change my thinking after we know more about the evidence.

MOO,MOO

IMO before she made the recording she had mental wheels in motion of how to ditch her problem. There is no way Gannon was not going to talk about what caused him to bleed. One option was to rush him to a doctor and admit she freaked out. She didn’t choose that option imo because there was zero chance this wasn’t the end of her. The blatant abuse was going to be discovered. MOO