Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #37

[Feistyomi]

BBM
Before the arrest, I chose the scenario that she left him on the side of the road--then seconds later someone rescued him. I didn't believe that; I had this sickening "knowing" almost from minute one. I hoped it with everything in me (as did we all). It is still difficult to accept. It would not do for me to be a jury member in the quintessential example of whether a defendant is guilty...when the PD says: "HERE IS THE VICTIM NOW!" (then points out that since you looked at the door in expectation, my client must be innocent). I would look for Gannon every time, because I so need him to be safe with his family.

Gannon is my hero! MOO 11 yr olds do not have the resources to disappear w/o help from others...he WAS under her care...

I shared your hope far longer than most,Gannon being safe somewhere, that hope has sadly become, that his body be found, providing the last bit of evidence to get Justice for Gannon!

I do want her to be punished, but more than that. She must be removed from society, especially vulnerable people...I think I should include AS, he could not have known the sort of person she was. He would never have let her near his children. MOO

 

[M-pathetic]

I'm only going over things that haven't already been discussed regarding "Proof of Death" Those not interested, please scroll and roll through this one.

Life threatening head injuries CAN (doesn't mean they do) leak CSF with the blood that may come from the eyes, ears, nose, or would. Even if there's not enough blood loss to be incompatible with life, this untreated condition IS incompatible with life. So if his pillow or elsewhere tested positive for this and he hasn't been taken to the ER, it's REALLY bad.
Short version: Quest Diagnostics: Test Directory
Long version: Cerebrospinal Fluid (CSF) Leak | ARUP Consult

I believe this would ONLY come into play here IF she went back to move the body. (NOT my theory) Postmortem hair banding - I'm not super into this so not sure the current science on when this occurs.
Postmortem Hair Banding Evidence | Forensics for Writers

There are chemicals that are mostly only found in deceased people. IDK how good their testing is for these chemicals or if they're used to tell them to look for more evidence. I don't think they have testing used in court and I can't bring myself to do the research. Some of the chemicals are called: Cadaverine, Putrescine. I'm sure there's information for those interested. I'm not and I CAN'T.

If dogs alerted but there were NO samples recovered for testing, is that evidence alone admissible--for the jury to then weigh it however they saw fit?

 

[Spartygirl]

I don't believe she'll get off on any kind of technicality, or that she'll ever be able to claim she can't get a fair trial.
I do believe, the state has ample evidence to ensure she pays the penalty for the crimes she's charged with.
(I never followed the Anthony trial, so I have no idea what really happened there, but I never believed it was "slam dunk" anyway.)

I followed it and IMO, it should have been a slam dunk.
LS case could be considered NOT a slam dunk for those that haven't followed this case so far, also.
However, the difference, IMO is that Orange County does not have Dan May , JS and MOO

 

[Cindizzi]

No, I don't think that's the one.

I don't recall DDA Allen being part of the Kelsey case at all.

I can't remember reading his name once in association with Frazee's trial.

I'll see what I can find online about his other successful murder prosecutions.

JMO.

I stand corrected. Can’t find Michael Allen connected with prosecution in the Frazee trial. Apologies!

 

[TheBlizz35]

@10ofRods ... I want to add, There are no secrets in jail,” and an inmate's file jack is always available for staff to read. Attacking an officer is not something to want appearing on the face sheet...

Since TS loved talking (to media, to friends, to contacts in SM) while she was free, I keep my fingers crossed that she can't contain herself while in jail and some of the inmates will rat her out on what she's saying.

 

[SleuthBee]

The prosecution has no objections to it being released.
That's a strong message of confidence that they have ALL they need, to proceed without the investigation being compromised.
Bring it on, and allow the public to know the truth about this vile woman.

I have 2 questions:

1. Is it common for the defense to request the AA to remain sealed?

2. Could keeping it sealed ever be part of a deal for the location of the body?

I recall documents remaining sealed as part of Chris Watt's deal. My thought is if the AA contains information that TS might want permanently sealed, in exchange for body's location.

 

[grannygates]

iirc the vape store is beside a subway, beside a wells fargo and across from a phillips 66. all companies on the witness list. MOO is these are for surveillance/camera/perhaps even eye witness accounts.

my opinion only is that the products sold at the vape store (or any of these store above) could not be the reason why it’s included on witness list.

MOO

 

[M-pathetic]

I agree. But I do think there were "jury issues." Not blaming them exactly but in combination with the factors cited in the above quote, the fact that they were sequestered worked against the state. IF the case had not had certain weaker points (like no COD) the fact that the jury members over-bonded with each other wouldn't have mattered. And IF it had been a slam dunk, a bonded jury would have worked to the state's advantage. But as the case was brought a bonded jury likely meant members weren't willing to really argue with each other.

For those who didn't follow the case, the trial took 6 weeks. Jurors stayed in a hotel. They were taken on weekend outings like to Disney World. (Case was tried in Orlando but jurors were imported from a county on Florida's west coast due to inflamed local passions.) I understand not wanting jurors to go nuts being locked up. I mean they couldn't read newspapers, use internet, books had to be pre-approved (and an amazing number of people don't like to read) But the trips had an effect.

After the 6-week trial, the jury deliberated only 10 hours and 40 minutes before coming back with a verdict of not guilty of first-degree murder, not guilty of aggravated child abuse and not guilty of aggravated manslaughter of a child.

The jurors also decided the prosecutor was dislikeable but thought Baez "cared." (???) Here's an article that's kind of interesting How Casey Anthony Was Acquitted: The Jurors Explain Their Controversial Verdict. It says on one vote, the initial vote was 6-6. I think the sequestering and the bonding with the judge (not saying he did anything wrong but he was responsible for their "treats") meant they wouldn't hang over disagreements but would give in to acquit. Even the judge later said he was surprised by all the acquittals.

How likely is CO to sequester this jury?

JMO

Wow. I can't speak to the likelihood, but I certainly hope it doesn't result in another travesty of justice. MOO

 

[MassGuy]

I have 2 questions:

1. Is it common for the defense to request the AA to remain sealed?

2. Could keeping it sealed ever be part of a deal for the location of the body?

I recall documents remaining sealed as part of Chris Watt's deal. My thought is if the AA contains information that TS might want permanently sealed, in exchange for body's location.

It’s a matter of public record, so you couldn’t make a deal that keeps evidence a secret.

Watts wanted certain medical records kept sealed, and the prosecution wanted the autopsy results sealed for a period of time (They were eventually unsealed).

This was so further toxicology tests could be performed.

ETA: The defense wanting the affidavit sealed, seems to be pretty common. They are always worried about the jury pool being tainted.

 

[Cindizzi]

Maybe I missed it but why would there be witness from Florida? I’m prayiNg Gannon is found soon!

The way I understand this endorsed witness list is that it’s anyone who was contacted or assisted in the investigation. JMO. Some of them may or may not be called at trial. Closer to trial there will be lists of who is actually going to be called by the prosecution and the defense. IMO

 

[Feistyomi]

BBM
Before the arrest, I chose the scenario that she left him on the side of the road--then seconds later someone rescued him. I didn't believe that; I had this sickening "knowing" almost from minute one. I hoped it with everything in me (as did we all). It is still difficult to accept. It would not do for me to be a jury member in the quintessential example of whether a defendant is guilty...when the PD says: "HERE IS THE VICTIM NOW!" (then points out that since you looked at the door in expectation, my client must be innocent). I would look for Gannon every time, because I so need him to be safe with his family.

Gannon is my hero! MOO 11 yr olds do not have the resources to disappear w/o help from others...he WAS under her care...

I shared your hope far longer than most,Gannon being safe somewhere, that hope has sadly become, that his body be found, providing the last bit of evidence to get Justice for Gannon!

I do want her to be punished, but more than that. She must be removed from society, especially vulnerable people...I think I should include AS, he could not have known the sort of person she was. He would never have let her near his children. MOO

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[AmandaReckonwith]

FYI:

The Complaint Info, Charges, Witness List, etc is added to the Case Archive, Justice Section,
begins here:
3/11/20 Page 1, Complaint and Information. Charges.

 

[Spartygirl]

I have 2 questions:

1. Is it common for the defense to request the AA to remain sealed?

2. Could keeping it sealed ever be part of a deal for the location of the body?

I recall documents remaining sealed as part of Chris Watt's deal. My thought is if the AA contains information that TS might want permanently sealed, in exchange for body's location.

I am not an attorney, however,
I have followed other cases where the arrested suspect pleads guilty and we do not get to see the AA or any of the sealed docs.
A trial however, when the suspect pleads NOT guilty, at that point during the trial, if not before, we will see the sealed documents, including the AA.

 

[10ofRods]

Sounds very likely.

MOO as also maybe he died in the truck, she stopped at Petco to think about what to do.
While in there went to the door to pretend she was checking on a living child in the truck, not quite acting right.

Interesting take. A person with a newly dead child in the truck would be nervous and would continue to check, I'd think, in something like disbelief or panic.

If true, then one has to wonder why she left the home with him in the truck, to what degree that was a conscious decision to let him die in the truck. I can see it both ways.

I do think it's clear that initial body disposal occurred between the Petco visits.

Must be so frustrating to the searchers, to have to follow her digital footprint for that period, wondering where she stopped and for how long and where she got out of the truck. I'm thinking some places must be still under snow.

As for what the family wants, what I hear Landen saying is that she wants Justice for Gannon.

 

[Angels27]

When I watched the tribute video the church posted of Gannon and family I realized the biggest thing T had against G: His father REALLY loved him and gave him a lot of attention, and G reminded T of Al’s relationship with Landen. As long as G was around that would always be a big part of his life and so would Landen. Animosity probably built by the day.

 

[Warwick7]

I had wondered at first if she left him alive and that's why she kept saying he would be back. To me that's so cruel, I tried to get away from it. But, oh my gosh, you got me thinking again. What if that's the real reason she rented the car? To go look for him in a vehicle he wouldn't recognize? That part of what she said would be true. She returned in the rental and found he had passed, put his body in the trunk and moved him, hid the body. The cadaver dogs picked up the scent in the trunk of the car and that's how LE is sure he's passed (murdered)? Speculation 100% and I don't like it, but, what if?? Moo

Anna, I am now thinking along those same lines.

 

[Feistyomi]

Wow. I can't speak to the likelihood, but I certainly hope it doesn't result in another travesty of justice. MOO

Gannon is my hero! MOO We will all have that tiny fear, but there are quite a few differences in favor of this case bringing justice, biggest one to begin w/ was LE wasn’t even alerted until weeks after the disappearance. IIRC That changes a lot of things...also, I expect the CAnthony case has been incorporated into law school text books/lectures, etc...I see further proof that similar cases to Gannon’s have been scrutinized in order to ensure Justice for Gannon in the slow methodical accumulation of evidence.MOO

 

[Warwick7]

I had wondered at first if she left him alive and that's why she kept saying he would be back. To me that's so cruel, I tried to get away from it. But, oh my gosh, you got me thinking again. What if that's the real reason she rented the car? To go look for him in a vehicle he wouldn't recognize? That part of what she said would be true. She returned in the rental and found he had passed, put his body in the trunk and moved him, hid the body. The cadaver dogs picked up the scent in the trunk of the car and that's how LE is sure he's passed (murdered)? Speculation 100% and I don't like it, but, what if?? Moo

Anna, I am now thinking along those same lines.

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[HaikuMommy]

I can't find which Vapor Source store is meant in the witness list. (snipped)

(snipped)...my opinion only is that the products sold at the vape store (or any of these store above) could not be the reason why it’s included on witness list.

If you look up "vape shops in Colorado" online, you'll see many listing glass pipes as products they carry. Apparently there are multiple types of glass pipes of different shapes. Certain shapes are for marijuana, others are for crack, others are for meth. Don't know why a Vapor Source shop is on the witness list, but I sure am curious what may have been bought there. JMO

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[Kismet7]

I keep looking at the maps and trying to get in her head on that day to think of where GS might be. I keep going back and forth between believing he is near previous searches under snow and then thinking she moved him farther. I hate this so much for his family. I have lost a lot of sleep over Gannon. His parents deserve to have his body to put him to rest. I wish I could just know where he was for them and end this uncertainty of where he is. TS is the lowest of low for not only doing this, but allowing it to go on.