Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #42

[dawnraks]

So did the affidavit say how she killed him or what was done to him?

Expert says blood stains on the walls were likely created by gunshot, blunt force or a stabbing.

 

[jvikes]

Light bulb moment for sure!! I specifically googled that company a while back, trying to see how they were connected!

I would think they were just following up on her statements so they weren't accused of ignoring. Hence why Eguardo is nothing but a name on that list, and the development company was probably asked for a list of employees and contractors to cross reference and ensure he didn't exist. She wasted a lot of people's time...

 

[Seattle1]

Out of all the bonkers nonsense and other lies she told, what truths does everyone think she actually told?

According to the AA, it seems that LS told the truth about GS coming home with her on Monday, Jan 27 after the trip north in AS truck. Since GS was not seen on the video made public, I'm very, very curious about that:

Where was GS? Was he perhaps asleep in the truck and therefore not seen when LS got home and walked to the house (as captured on neighbor's surveillance)?

How was GS so out of camera range that he was not picked up the surveillance video? Also, GS arriving home with LS doesn't really support the claim of AS watching the video and crying that LS lied.

I really want to know how GS got home and back inside the house on Monday afternoon!

 

[Geneic]

... but was Gannon really sleeping?

I consider the time/date stamp on that picture is verified. I am unaware of any evidence showing he was alive that morning? To support the AA's theory, RD's video is discounted.

Numerous posters question RD's absence from the witness list. IIRC, there were posts referencing RD and TS battling on SM. My struggle with the AA's theory is because I believe RD's video is from the morning of 1/27/20.

I will value your thoughts on this @MassGuy

But regardless, the picture is very disturbing.

The video has to the right date and times of her coming and going bc ADT backs them being gone during those times.

 

[HundredAcreWood]

What interview does LS say she has forgiven herself and she knows who did this?

 

[MsBetsy]

My daughter is younger than Gannon and she's already this way. Well if we did this thing ..... then you aka me wouldnt have to.... help lol. Myself as a teen I would be so annoyed.

Also though, why would HH take Laina? I'd be annoyed about that part too especially if I just got off work, then I need to run an errand and babysit. I don't know their dynamics, but I would imagine most near adult teens who get two young step siblings full time arent going out of their way to take them to the store. JMO

Yes, most teenagers would not be so willing to do all that HH was asked to do in those few days. At least not without protesting or asking questions.

She must have at least been suspicious and at most she knew her mother was involved in Gannon's disappearance.

Hopefully by now she has cooperated with LE and has told them everything she knows. If she really wants a future in the military she has no other choice. She will be a valuable witness for the prosecution.

If not, well, I guess she will prove to be just like her mother. I hope that's not the case.

Imo

 

[MassGuy]

What interview does LS say she has forgiven herself and she knows who did this?

I’m pretty sure it’s that recorded phone conversation that DWAP put up (the call between her and another woman).

 

[MsMarple]

Holy Moly, that's quite an affidavit! I'm scratching my head over the "fake polygraph" website. pp 30, 31. And on top of it she added in the question of "Did your stepson return with you to your home?" It must have been chapping her butt in a big way that people didn't believe her. For that matter all her fake questions and fake answers were worded in a way that didn't sound professional. IOW not straightforward.

It's like LS tried to be clever but failed. IMO the dimmest bulb in the pack trying to think like the brightest bulb and missing by a mile.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/user..._Paso/Stauch/Stauch FINAL redacted 040120.pdf

 

[dawnraks]

I don't want to sound like I'm dismissing you or people that have commented about HH's upbringing being a reason for not cooperating or having an unfailing allegiance to their parent. But, serious question from me is where is the the line? Because one reason I've flipped on feeling sorry for HH to being very suspicious is that this is a murder case of her step brother. I feel she should have been very open to relaying on the oddities of her mother's behavior to investigators prior to the arrest given what we read about her in the AA.

So where is that line - should people raised by a TS type person be treated differently if they actively participate in murdering someone with their mothers? Covering up murder? Participating in something not as bad as murder? Knowing info but not cooperating? Knowing nothing and not cooperating? Note I'm *NOT* saying HH is involved at all in the act of murder. Just wondering where she stops being a victim that doesn't deserve judgement of her behavior for people that sympathize with her upbringing.

I completely understand and sympathize with those that can compare their own upbringing with HH's, so please don't take this post as confrontational, I'm just genuinely curious of where the line is crossed from victim to willing participant. Regarding HH specifically, what would need to come out in this case to come to a mindset of "despite her upbringing she really isn't a victim here - should have known better and <fill_in_the_blanks_here> is inexcusable behavior."

She is 17. The frontol lobes of the brain that govern reasoning and judgement are not full developed until the age of 21. Hence why you see so many teens do foolish things. She believed what her mother told her and likely her mother told her that people were trying to frame her. Remember in the early days of Gannon coming up missing, a lot of hate was already circulating online about LS and death threats were being made. HH likely seen this and believed her mother, fearing for her mothers safety. It is a difficult situation and one can not say without certainty if HH was duped by her mother and told not to cooperate because her words could be twisted or what. LE said at this point they do not believe she participated in any of this. So other than her not cooperating with investigators, likely due to being duped by LS, lets leave her out of this. At this point we just do not know and there is no reason to drag her down over something her mother did unless later facts prove otherwise.

 

[AbigailHobbs]

I would think they were just following up on her statements so they weren't accused of ignoring. Hence why Eguardo is nothing but a name on that list, and the development company was probably asked for a lost of employees and contractors to cross reference and ensure he didn't exist. She wasted a lot of people's time...

Thats probable I think. They went to such and such place tracked down the business owner and no employee exists. I think the defense will drop the eguardo thing though. They are more than capable of trying to present any Eguardos to court or serve subpoenas to employers that she claims employed him if he can't be found. Im guessing it's going to be a form of a mental health defense. Something like it wasn't murder it was manslaughter.

Realistically thats the best option for an attorney to try. She isn't all there thats clear. Not because of the murder of Gannon I mean thats a different issue, but her searches and weird lies arent stable or neurotypical at all. Im guessing the rapist did it as a defense is not going to play at all. Its a waste of time defense. Add to that that she assaulted a police officer on the way to El Paso County.

I think they will go with something like Al being neglectful of her and leaving her with kids she "struggled" to care for and try to go for a lesser charge that she snapped and blah blah. They had been fighting in the marriage to some degree it looks like. Id guess things like that will come together to try to beat the 1st degree part if it goes to trial. There aren't any ways I can see to argue she had nothing to do with it. Sure the state needs to prove it's case, but you need to have some alternate explanations then.

 

[MsBetsy]

What interview does LS say she has forgiven herself and she knows who did this?

I think it was the phone interview. She said she has put it behind her or something like that. But she was referring to the person who did this as if it were a different person, not herself.

I don't think she said she forgave herself, or she knew who it was, but of course we know she knew who it was so it's not like she was making any sense.

 

[MassGuy]

Holy Moly, that's quite an affidavit! I'm scratching my head over the "fake polygraph" website. pp 30, 31. And on top of it she added in the question of "Did your stepson return with you to your home?" It must have been chapping her butt in a big way that people didn't believe her. For that matter all her fake questions and fake answers were worded in a way that didn't sound professional. IOW not straightforward.

It's like LS tried to be clever but failed. IMO the dimmest bulb in the pack trying to think like the brightest bulb and missing by a mile.

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/04th_Judicial_District/El_Paso/Stauch/Stauch FINAL redacted 040120.pdf

Her lack of intelligence is absolutely stunning.

The biggest thing is the insane/crazy changing stories, but her Google searches are telling as well:

“My son burned the carpet, how do I fix it?” Instead of “repairing burned carpet.”

Just watch any young child using AI (ie Alexa or Siri), and you will see the same type of thing (incredibly specific questions).

It’s funny when a kid does it, but strange coming from an adult. It’s terrifying that she was ever in education, and that’s ignoring the fact that she’s a child killer.

 

[nyvictoria]

When all is said and done, I think we’re going to be absolutely flabbergasted at the very long trail of destruction LS has left in her wake. I mean years of it!

 

[Cindizzi]

According to the AA, it seems that LS told the truth about GS coming home with her on Monday, Jan 27 after the trip north in AS truck. Since GS was not seen on the video made public, I'm very, very curious about that:

Where was GS? Was he perhaps asleep in the truck and therefore not seen when LS got home and walked to the house (as captured on neighbor's surveillance)?

How was GS so out of camera range that he was not picked up the surveillance video? Also, GS arriving home with LS doesn't really support the claim of AS watching the video and crying that LS lied.

I really want to know how GS got home and back inside the house on Monday afternoon!

IIRC the neighbor, RD in one interview said that AS said:

“ She lied. She lied about the time. He didn’t go to a friend’s house”.

Will try to find the source, but I remember it vividly.
JMO

 

[squareandrabbet]

She is 17. The frontol lobes of the brain that govern reasoning and judgement are not full developed until the age of 21. Hence why you see so many teens do foolish things. She believed what her mother told her and likely her mother told her that people were trying to frame her. Remember in the early days of Gannon coming up missing, a lot of hate was already circulating online about LS and death threats were being made. HH likely seen this and believed her mother, fearing for her mothers safety. It is a difficult situation and one can not say without certainty if HH was duped by her mother and told not to cooperate because her words could be twisted or what. LE said at this point they do not believe she participated in any of this. So other than her not cooperating with investigators, likely due to being duped by LS, lets leave her out of this. At this point we just do not know and there is no reason to drag her down over something her mother did unless later facts prove otherwise.

I agree, especially in light of the fact that it will clearly be a long time before we learn anything; not to mention the fact there are much older family members who believed T's version of events unquestioningly. I grant that those family members did not live in the same house; but 17-year-olds don't always mix much with stepsiblings half their ages. I barely wanted to mix with my bio-sister, with 10 years' difference between us...

Also, I think folks have not yet considered that HH knew and had Al in her life for a long time. We know nothing about their personal relationship, but I wouldn't be surprised if she did look up to Al, and that Al might also be a large part of why and how HH got the idea to join the armed forces in the first place. I don't think it's fair to assume she felt zero loyalty towards him based upon the facts currently in evidence, which are holey at best.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

It wouldn’t have been necessary in order to get him in the suitcase, would have left a ton of evidence, and would be too time consuming to pull off.

She’s lucky she was able to gather him from the dumpsite undetected.

I wouldn't necessarily expect LS would do such a thing only for to fit the body in to the cardboard box / suitcase. Given the 'violent' nature of the crime as indicated via evidence at the scene it is possible LS' rage extended to beyond death and she further mutilated the target of her attack.

 

[Knox]

I would think they were just following up on her statements so they weren't accused of ignoring. Hence why Eguardo is nothing but a name on that list, and the development company was probably asked for a list of employees and contractors to cross reference and ensure he didn't exist. She wasted a lot of people's time...

That's a given. I was speaking to how prior to the AA, I could not figure out why the name was on the witness list. Initially, I thought maybe a construction crew witnessed something and had been interviewed by LE.

 

[Seattle1]

I don't want to sound like I'm dismissing you or people that have commented about HH's upbringing being a reason for not cooperating or having an unfailing allegiance to their parent. But, serious question from me is where is the the line? Because one reason I've flipped on feeling sorry for HH to being very suspicious is that this is a murder case of her step brother. I feel she should have been very open to relaying on the oddities of her mother's behavior to investigators prior to the arrest given what we read about her in the AA.

So where is that line - should people raised by a TS type person be treated differently if they actively participate in murdering someone with their mothers? Covering up murder? Participating in something not as bad as murder? Knowing info but not cooperating? Knowing nothing and not cooperating? Note I'm *NOT* saying HH is involved at all in the act of murder. Just wondering where she stops being a victim that doesn't deserve judgement of her behavior for people that sympathize with her upbringing.

I completely understand and sympathize with those that can compare their own upbringing with HH's, so please don't take this post as confrontational, I'm just genuinely curious of where the line is crossed from victim to willing participant. Regarding HH specifically, what would need to come out in this case to come to a mindset of "despite her upbringing she really isn't a victim here - should have known better and <fill_in_the_blanks_here> is inexcusable behavior."

I think Colorado may be one of the states where a juvenile can't be questioned without a parent present and if they are, their statements can't be used (in a criminal matter). If true, I can't see where LS would ever make this happen.

I don't think LS voluntarily talked to LE again after the alleged car key and guns drawn incident. Actually, wasn't HH part of this alleged incident?

 

[SleuthBee]

I’m sure LS didn’t inform HH that she murdered Gannon, and HH didn’t know his blood was all over the house. I’m also sure that LS had some whopper victim tales for needing a ride, needing cars backed in, needing cleaning items, needing helpful storylines, and all the other things that had her relying on her daughter in the course of her crime adventure.

The “What do you want me to say?” moment, when LS was performing her interview scene with Spencer, and she commanded, “I need H...”, and HH dutifully reported to duty, tells a story itself. LS wasn’t functioning as a mother, she was a director in a scene from her movie where she had cast herself as a victim heroine. HH was cued up at the moment that LS needed a distracting family scene with a heartwarming Burger King end to the evening. HH spoke the lines she was told to speak. My impression of that moment was she really had no idea why she was suddenly in the scene.

Her mother is someone who breezily began broadcasting a runaway tale from the scene of her grotesque crime, apparently while her victim’s body was still on site, presumably because that was the moment in her script where it was time to say, “Gee golly, I have a missing step-son. I’m going to call the police.” She was confident she could pull this off because she’d been getting away with manipulating and snowing people all her life. And because she’s too nuts to perceive how high risk that really was.

Or was it? The police were none the wiser, with the body of the missing child right under their noses. Because that’s how it works with an LS type.

HH went into training the moment she was born. Children of these kinds of people are pawns on a game board. I’ve watched three of them in my own life march like bots and parrot their psychopathic mother’s words as smoothly as the next note in a song follows the melody. They are victims. They really believe their mother is a heroine who’s been persecuted.

Now after reading the AA, and seeing that LS is even crazier than we imagined, nothing in the behavior of any minor in a relationship with her would surprise me. We don’t know what LE knows about HH and any role she had, or under what influence. But based on my tragic experiences, the first thing I would say if I got to teach a class in this, is if everyone on the periphery feels like their head was run through a blender after encountering someone like LS, as we’ve encountered her, imagine what it’s like to live with her from birth and have your brain puréed on a daily basis.

... and if I may add, the child that stands up for themselves, disagrees, objects or questions this type of mother ... will be made an example. They will be the scapegoat and if they don't submit, ostracized.

If TS has one shred of regard for her daughter, she will shut this whole thing down. In exchange for a guilty plea and lwop ... no trial, no discovery and seal up whatever possible. TS will do whatever she can to spare her daughter any further pain and discomfort.

My hope for HH is that TS puts her daughter's needs before her own. Otherwise, HH will have to break free on her own, or remain imprisoned by the sickness of her mother.

 

[Knox]

I think Colorado may be one of the states where a juvenile can't be questioned without a parent present and if they are, their statements can't be used (in a criminal matter). If true, I can't see where LS would ever make this happen.

I don't think LS voluntarily talked to LE again after the alleged car key and guns drawn incident. Actually, wasn't HH part of this alleged incident?

TS repeatedly refers to HH as "a minor", so even if it isn't true. TS probably thought it was.