Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #43

[nyvictoria]

Gannon...

MOO Some of us have been here for a great many threads, and we discussed extensively whether Gannon
got out of that truck, this went on for several threads, the general consensus reached seemed to be that Gannon did NOT
come back...

So I guess some of us are reluctant to rehash
it all over again, especially now, as I am
questioning this video is really the relevant
one, that’s all...JMHO

IMO, there is always a point, that we have posted just about every possible scenario,
thus the only thing to do is wait for the
actual evidence...rather than continue to try to convince
others our choice is correct...

IOW, that is when a discussion becomes
an argument...

I speak from experience, as I am married
to someone who loves to argue, he always says he is having a discussion...
so I looked up the definition, and finally
had the last word...


OK, did a preliminary search,
Captain $74,000
Major. $80,000
chart only gave basic pay for 6 yrs service, AS has probably
approx 16 yrs, so that figure would increase.
housing, etc

Considering LS lack of steady employment,
$180,000 is highly unlikely, still wondering where that figure came from

bbm
I’d say either her warped mind or her rectum

 

[Love Never Fails]

A colleague of mine, years ago, took a job as the healthcare manager of the Santa Monica Free Clinic (he's an anthropologist). Many of their patients were mentally ill.

He wrote a really poignant article about how people who are acutely upset and suicidal (a common grief reaction), could readily flip and become homicidal instead.

I can't find the article for some reason. Anyway he mentioned that he erroneously thought that "loving" or "caring" for a person who was suicidal/grief-stricken would surely help them.

A member of the staff not a patient was grieving and suicidal, was getting psychotherapy and, my colleague gave him kindness, love, compassion, etc. There were so many depressed patients, my colleague thought that trying to cheer this man up, be his friend would be the antidote

The man frequently expressed suicidal ideation. Then, one day, he came to work and shot up the clinic, killing 2 coworkers and injuring several others. This was not the shooting in 2013, so I'm not doxxing anyone.

So the anthropologist wrote this piece and he said:

1) everyone knows that murder/killing humans is taboo. It's a human universal and everyone knows it, except perhaps the severely incapacitated mentally ill - who are too disorganized to buy weapon and ammo (as this assailant did).

2) Willingness to kill oneself and thinking about killing oneself still breaks the tabu and indicates a willingness to break the tabu.

3) Once a person is willing to kill humans, they are willing to kill both themselves - and others.

Some kill others first, intending to kill themselves (or suicide by cop). Then, they are prevented from carrying out their "kill others" mission and never quite get around to killing themselves.

In jail, this assailant told my colleague he still very much wanted to kill himself. He had always wanted to kill himself but somehow, after acquiring the means to do so, he thought he'd also take out a few people who had "hurt him." In other words, a person willing to be so aberrant and living so much in the belief that "soon it's going to be over" (for someone), is very dangerous.

Even if Albert had tried to get help for LS or treated her with real concern and compassion, it probably wouldn't have helped, especially if he was thinking of leaving or there were other issues (she dreaded him finding out about her real employment prospects). He says he "gave more to her" than to any other woman. He tried the supportive route.

This was before there was much literature about extensive suicide and to me, has always helped explain the actions of the people who kill family members or their whole family and then either kill themselves OR stop because their own self-preservation instinct is still there. They wanted to die, to "end everything," and their mind embraced violence, conceived of how to kill, thought about dying and killing, and they never "meant to" kill their families and not kill themselves.

LS filled up with hate. She wanted to "end everything." It's possible her mind darted around, hating Albert, hating Gannon, and perhaps occasionally even hating herself - but we know she was incapable of just killing herself (if divorce was so unappealing due to her intense fears of failure and abandonment). I totally agree that "winning" Albert away from Landen gave her a kind of high; that went away after a while and she was left in her same old state (I'll bet quite a bit that LS does occasionally have moments of self-loathing, but probably not for the reasons the rest of us would).

Sorry for the very long response - but it just seemed to me that you intuitively knew all of this. And our parents knew it too, which is why we were strongly discouraged from hating, using the word hate, lying, lashing out, harming others, etc. Even well brought up adults can break the tabu, but if tabus in general are broken (and there are many), the child learns to be a kapu/tabu-breaker.

Children need to learn how to love, how to deal with discouragement - and how to deal with disappointment or anger without killing people.

This is a great post. I’m sorry I’m just responding. I had company for the past several hours. I am sorry for your friend and what he went through and how it must have made him feel, and yet awakened him to another reality. And what he has written really makes sense.

I have to admit I never thought much about someone who kills or is suicidal in this way. I don’t think I ever wanted to consider how these people “feel” because it would be too painful for me to contemplate how they think or what they did.

Maybe I am not making sense. It is cut and dried for me. Sort of black and white. Admittedly, I don’t have it in me to be a good psychotherapist. I don’t see LS as being filled with hate for herself. I just see this selfish human being who doesn’t feel or care the way other people do. I don’t understand her.

Just thinking of all Gannon went through makes me not even want to know her background, upbringing, or what drove her to do this. For me, she killed an innocent child and that’s all I need to know.

I know I don’t sound charitable and maybe it sounds cold. I don’t mean to be that way but I feel anger towards her. I want her to pay for what she did to Gannon. But I know if they took her life, it would not be enough because we can’t bring Gannon back.

I am amazed your friend could do the job he does. It seems that kind of compassion and caring and studying people like LS would destroy his soul.

Maybe that’s it. Maybe I feel too protective of others to allow the Leticia Stauchs of the world to destroy others. And at the same time it scares the heck out of me because I could do nothing to prevent it from happening again.

Your last statement says it all. If a child isn't loved completely and yet taught to deal with disappointments and failures, how can they grow up to be a whole and mature individual? It is happening a lot with children and adults.

 

[Truthbetold77]

I have considered a bat as a murder weapon, or at least one of them.
She could have caused significant trauma to his head.
If she really did use 3 different weapons, she may have had a hard time killing him. Maybe the attack actually started somewhere else in the house and he tried to run away and ended up cowering in his bed.

Imo

I'm guessing she severaly lost her temper and beat the heck out of him during the candle incident. She texted someone and said they were hiding under a blanket and when the smoke cleared they had blood all over them. That's weird!! That probably means she was wailing on him while it was smoky and he was under his blanket hiding. Probably a natural response for a child when in fear. Smoke clears, hes bloody! She knew she hurt him bad.Gave him something to knock him out , took picture of him next morning in bed passed out facing wall probably bruised up.That's why he looked drugged and drowsy next day. They leave to run errands. She could have possibly been getting rid of evidence from when she hurt Gannon the night before.that explains bloody things found off Hw 105.Maybe they got home and he did get out the other side and went in The house. Possibly he could of been having stomach issues in the truck and it pissed her off more. He might have really been scared and trying to run from her. He took the gate key to unlock it and run away from her or hide from her. Maybe he was trying to get to someone else's house to call his mom for help. Unfortunately she caught him trying to get out the gate maybe hit him and dragged him back in the house where she hurt him in the Garage and he went in the house running from her into his room in his bed . By now she was really mad and she ended up stabbing him out of anger. And from there came up with her wackadoodle bs. But the is the best theory I can come up with in this new timeline. Though this is a detailed report it is a few weeks old and lots has happened since. This is JMO

 

[HaikuMommy]

I think those searches were done on the 28th. So it was the morning after the murder.

But she did Google the information about the switch on Monday, I think.

Imo

The runaway searches and the "can nintendo find my switch" were all done on the 28th, AFTER she'd reported Gannon missing. As well as "car net volkswagen" -- likely trying to find out if the Tiguan/Jetta could be tracked.

 

[Blue Amethyst]

We don't know if cadaver dogs went through the home, but if they were brought in, they must not have alerted.
If they had, that would have been mentioned in the affidavit.

If cadaver dogs were brought in and didn't alert anywhere in/around either the basement or the garage, that's another point against the theory that he was killed in his bedroom and then stowed in her trunk until the next day.

JMO.

Oh gosh, what if poor little Gannon was unconscious in the suitcase in the back of her vehicle. Then the cadaver dog wouldn’t have picked up a scent in the house...right? Maybe he was so near death but actually died outside the home.

I hate to even think this but she is so despicable, could it have happened that way?

 

[MassGuy]

The runaway searches and the "can nintendo find my switch" were all done on the 28th, AFTER she'd reported Gannon missing. As well as "car net volkswagen" -- likely trying to find out if the Tiguan/Jetta could be tracked.

What’s funny, is the “car net Volkswagen” search was made at 4:18pm. So she makes that search, and still drives her Volkswagen to dump his body that night.

I wonder if it hurts to be that stupid?

 

[10ofRods]

I think the AA is wrong. She wasn't a teacher's assistant, she
was a teacher. The letters the CO districts (D-20 & D-3) sent to parents after she was arrested said she was a teacher. If she could have been called a teacher's assistant, she would have been as that would have made the schools look a bit better.

Still, I doubt the 180K figure too unless all of the following were true:

1. It was household income and included any money HH earned.

2. It included the social security TS should have been receiving for HH.

3. It included a military housing allowance.

4. It included hazard duty pay for AS.

Even then, it sounds like it could be a stretch.
JMO

My impression is that she was a non-classroom teacher. Curriculum specialists, for example, are typically credentialed teachers - but not in the classroom. People confuse these job titles quite a bit. Often Reading Specialists, Math Specialists and Curriculum Specialist are people with Master's or Ed.D. I will bite my tonge on this issue - because many of them are lovely, devoted people.

But some just need to be out of the classroom - understandable. I just came off a 6 hour teaching day (online) and I feel like spanking some booties. And thank god they can't hear my language.

 

[10ofRods]

Oh gosh, what if poor little Gannon was unconscious in the suitcase in the back of her vehicle. Then the cadaver dog wouldn’t have picked up a scent in the house...right? Maybe he was so near death but actually died outside the home.

I hate to even think this but she is so despicable, could it have happened that way?

I have wondered the same thing for this case and in others. From what I understand, cadaverine doesn't show up for 2 hours or more. Often quite a bit longer. Made my stomach hurt to think that LS could also have researched that (easily) or read it here on WS.

Surely she didn't have that kind of calculation in the back of her mind.

 

[MassGuy]

Oh gosh, what if poor little Gannon was unconscious in the suitcase in the back of her vehicle. Then the cadaver dog wouldn’t have picked up a scent in the house...right? Maybe he was so near death but actually died outside the home.

I hate to even think this but she is so despicable, could it have happened that way?

I doubt it. There seems to have been an act of extreme violence committed in that bedroom, and she appears to have done enough to kill him multiple times.

Especially if it is true that he suffered blunt force trauma, stab type wounds, and a gunshot wound.

 

[SleuthBee]

Pure speculation, but how else could LS hear the conversations going on inside the house? It makes sense that could have happened. She could have called HH and then said, "Who's that I hear talking? Be quiet, I want to hear what they're saying." Seems possible, especially with the "...men were sent to a home with a minor female and she was forced to stay there not to leave even for food" text. JMO

What a way life to teach your daughter. Sneaky and deceitful!

 

[SleuthBee]

Trisha is live now. One of the things she shared from Leigh Egan. TS told Leigh she had baseball equipment in the truck that morning and was headed to Play it Again Sports. Was that TS covering for a missing bat? Could that be the cause of the blood splatter?

I believe so.

 

[10ofRods]

This is a great post. I’m sorry I’m just responding. I had company for the past several hours. I am sorry for your friend and what he went through and how it must have made him feel, and yet awakened him to another reality. And what he has written really makes sense.

I have to admit I never thought much about someone who kills or is suicidal in this way. I don’t think I ever wanted to consider how these people “feel” because it would be too painful for me to contemplate how they think or what they did.

Maybe I am not making sense. It is cut and dried for me. Sort of black and white. Admittedly, I don’t have it in me to be a good psychotherapist. I don’t see LS as being filled with hate for herself. I just see this selfish human being who doesn’t feel or care the way other people do. I don’t understand her.

Just thinking of all Gannon went through makes me not even want to know her background, upbringing, or what drove her to do this. For me, she killed an innocent child and that’s all I need to know.

I know I don’t sound charitable and maybe it sounds cold. I don’t mean to be that way but I feel anger towards her. I want her to pay for what she did to Gannon. But I know if they took her life, it would not be enough because we can’t bring Gannon back.

I am amazed your friend could do the job he does. It seems that kind of compassion and caring and studying people like LS would destroy his soul.

Maybe that’s it. Maybe I feel too protective of others to allow the Leticia Stauchs of the world to destroy others. And at the same time it scares the heck out of me because I could do nothing to prevent it from happening again.

Your last statement says it all. If a child isn't loved completely and yet taught to deal with disappointments and failures, how can they grow up to be a whole and mature individual? It is happening a lot with children and adults.

You are so on the right path. I can't truly see it as a psychotherapists sees it, either. I totally get not feeling charitable at all. I guess I'm trying to think vaguely about prevention - but as you and I both end up saying - it's too late. If children are not loved and nurtured, there's no prevention.

My friend/colleague actually quit that job, and then, quit any sort of professional job at all. Major PTSD for a while. Drifted away from California IIRC and, I think, went into a career where he cared for animals and organized experiences for kids and animals. I may not be remembering correctly. I just know that now we'd say he had PTSD and I had hoped his writing would help him - but I don't think it did, really.

Yeah, despite all my thinking and research - it doesn't seem to help prevent anything. Even if we each personally started trying to fix people (as I think my colleague did), it doesn't work.

Sometimes I think that gene studies should be done but I don't like where that goes either.

You are a wonderful part of this community, Love Never Fails.

 

[SleuthBee]

DBM

 

[MassGuy]

Trisha is live now. One of the things she shared from Leigh Egan. TS told Leigh she had baseball equipment in the truck that morning and was headed to Play it Again Sports. Was that TS covering for a missing bat? Could that be the cause of the blood splatter?

It definitely could, and that’s what I imagine when I read the description and look at that low quality photo of the blood splatter on the walls.

It looks like a blunt object to me, and a bat would be the perfect weapon in that regard.

 

[RaspberryMama]

I dunno about smell if packed away in bags and a suitcase in an unopened car. Dogs maybe could pick up a scent but not humans after 7 hours and the body packed away. I bet she needed the windows down on the drive out of short term parking though. And she probably started thinking about a full detail inside the car given that smell, but everything was closed at 10:30pm after the dumping. Instead of getting a gas station wash on the outside I bet she wanted a full service, because of the smell. And those were only open the next day, maybe not even till 10am...Makes me want to see where the car wash on the list was located in relation to the 10:30pm pickup spot, and what their hours were. Wonder if LE asked the employees about peculiar smells. He was dead for over 30 hours in that car if LE timeline is correct.

I remember looking up the car wash when the witness list came out. IIRC, it was open 24 hours.

 

[HaikuMommy]

What’s funny, is the “car net Volkswagen” search was made at 4:18pm. So she makes that search, and still drives her Volkswagen to dump his body that night.

I wonder if it hurts to be that stupid?

Stupid AND desperate. If Gannon's body was in the Tiguan, she had limited time to do anything else BUT drive it somewhere and get it out of there. AS and LE were getting mighty suspicious of LS by now. Detective Bethel was texting LS "Come in to talk to me. I would just like information to find Gannon." They had an appointment set for 10am the next morning. I believe AS had been asking her where the Tiguan was, and she wasn't telling AS the truth (I think she made reference to it being "near French Elementary"? when actually it was at the airport). AS and LE may have been discussing how to find the Tiguan. They wouldn't let HH leave, and possibly she was relaying info to LS...they were on to her lies but maybe didn't know exactly where she was anymore. So LS HAD to hurry and get Gannon's body out of the Tiguan quick, even if she knew she would have to go back and retrieve it later. And sure enough, when she showed up to the EPSO interview the next day, they seized the Tiguan.

 

[Angels27]

2/16/20 interview LS and Indiana woman that had contact with LS on fb before the phone call.

Transcribed relevant portion of call:

Tee: Right. The American dream, you know? Good jobs. We made over $180,000 together. We had a nice home. We had anything you could’ve wanted and our children were safe. Like somebody don’t just wake up and be like: I’m throwing this **** out the door today.

That’s not how it works for a normal person.

There was no like this jealousy and leaving people. There was none of that. There was never any time that Landen was trying to get my husband back or I was trying to bother Landen’s husband. There was none of that.

“I’ve been in that mode for weeks, trying to figure out who I can punish for doing this. My mentality is to always think next step.”

Any former disgruntled exes in, or with ties to, FL or GA?

 

[MemPat]

It definitely could, and that’s what I imagine when I read the description and look at that low quality photo of the blood splatter on the walls.

It looks like a blunt object to me, and a bat would be the perfect weapon in that regard.

I've pictured it being a bat too, wondering if my brain is stuck on that since Frazee and probably, Dulos.

 

[CuriouserNCuriouser]

Hello everyone! I have been lurking for a while and this is the first time posting. I am beyond words in the anger I have for TS. My heart goes to Gannon, LS, AS and Gannon's little sister.
Cases like this, where a "step" is involved, anger and bewilder me beyond belief. I became a "step" mom when I was 18yrs old to a beautiful little 3yr old girl. That little girl grew up to be a rebellious teenager. Her BioMom hasn't been in the picture since 2003 and before that, she was a very unfit mother and we fought for 6yrs to get our daughter away from the abusive environment she was in with her "mom". I will admit I was a member of a discussion board for stepparents, however, I was looking for advice on how to help my daughter with the goings-on with the custody battle and how to vent about the horrid things her "mom" was doing. When my daughter turned 15 things were bad, she had abandonment issues and opposition towards authority ( she still does just not as bad). However I never in my wildest dreams ever wanted to harm her. My love for her never went away. We are the best of friends today ( she is 25yrs old in May). I was just a child myself when I took on the responsibility of my daughter. I will never understand how someone can get involved with a person with children and then be angry because that person has children. If you cannot accept your partner's child as your own then, IMO, you have no business being involved with them. Being a stepparent isn't for everyone. I just can't help but wonder why someone would punish a child for a situation that the child cannot control.

I'm still catching up on all the reading. I have read the AA and I am speechless. My heart breaks for Gannon, LS,AL and little sister. It makes me sick to think about the terror that little Gannon went through in his final days, and probably sometime before his passing. I would love to get my hands on TS and give her a taste of her own medicine.

 

[MassGuy]

This case reminds me of the Skylea Carmack murder last year.

Like Gannon, this girl was under the care of her stepmother. She strangled Skylea to death, and reported her missing hours later.

The stepmom claimed that she may have run away. Ultimately, Skylea’s body was found in the backyard shed 4 days later.

The difference is that it doesn’t look to me like it crime was premeditated. She reacted, and hid the body in the nearest place.

TS may have done the same (hid a body under the nose of the police), but had the ability to remove the body from the house in her car.