Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #43

[Love Never Fails]

BBM

I am touched by these past few posts between you and @Love Never Fails .

I just wanted to speak to the desire you have each expressed about prevention.

I've shared a very small bit of my dysfunctional childhood on here. Today I'm a healthy, mature adult with struggles... But we all have struggles, so I'm no different in that regard.

I was emotionally and psychologically abused (words from a professional, not my own), as well as a little bit abused physically and possibly even sexually (subtly, not outright).

I've never murdered anyone. I have faith in God, a good husband, the best ever kids, and I'm a damn good mother. I delved deep into some painful things in order to grow into who I am now. And I'm honest about it. I try to help others from similar backgrounds.

My mother, my abuser, and my father, her enabler, have never murdered anyone ( to my knowledge ).

So, after all my prior talk about compassion and the need for understanding how people are shaped by their childhoods, I just want to say personal accountability is key.

There but for the grace of God, go I.

I think, given the right circumstances, any person is capable of murder. We don't want that to be true; we'd like a gap between "us" and "them". but the capacity for evil in the human mind/soul, is matched only by its capacity for greatness.

A person has to want to be "fixed". And that desire to be "fixed" is really just the desire to be better than we currently are. I don't think that desire is fired up in anyone simply by showing compassion and friendship to the depressed, suicidal, murderous individual. Your friend so sadly found this out.

Maybe it's done by showing them what they could be... hold up hope for them to take a good look at. Put goodness and beauty out into the world. Appeal to the good in people, even if there's only a tiny bit there, make them want to be a hero. Shine your light. Encourage them to see how great they can be, to not be "just human," but to be fully human.

I dunno. I'm just rambling here, but those are my thoughts.

Raspberrymama,
I appreciate this post and and know there are many people who can identify with what you went through. I have heard stories from friends and people I have worked with. It’s a greater problem than most people think.

I don’t think I gave enough thought to the point 10ofRods was making last night. I was in a hurry and when I start to think of LS killing Gannon I get angry.

10ofRods said he was coming from the point of view of prevention. And that children must be loved and nurtured from birth to prevent them from growing into an abuser/murderer/ narcissist (take your pick). My personal opinion is there is the need of a foundation of believing Gods Word, every Word to be true and parents teaching their children that. And I certainly don’t want to start a war with the posters about that. That’s just my own personal belief. I agree that love and nurturing is the foundation every one of us needed from birth. Unfortunately, that is not what happens to a lot of people.

I agree with you it takes personal accountability.

And in the end, when a person makes the decision they are going to abuse/ murder/ torture another human being, I am not interested in what made them do it, or getting them rehabilitated or feeling sorry for their childhood.

To me, you are a prime example of suffering abuse as a child and yet you made the decision to be a better person.

I do tend to believe anyone who could hurt another human being is evil and likely born that way. And maybe no amount of nurturing or love could have changed the outcome. It’s sad really.

 

[Inthedetails]

I have had that thought myself. She is not beyond sexual abuse. She's a control freak and full of rage. If he was controlling his bowels due to emotional trauma and/or had an accident due to laxatives, I can see a violent reaction to that area.

Yes, I'm thinking that the "rape with an object" story was to cover any evidence of abuse she inflicted because of this digestive issues.

Speculation only.

It's just a bizarre story to come up with. There was a movie several years ago based on a book with a scene of a home invasion and both the mother and son were raped. It's probably older than T herself so I doubt she saw it, but her story did remind me of that movie/book.

jmo

 

[Love Never Fails]

BBM

I am touched by these past few posts between you and @Love Never Fails .

I just wanted to speak to the desire you have each expressed about prevention.

I've shared a very small bit of my dysfunctional childhood on here. Today I'm a healthy, mature adult with struggles... But we all have struggles, so I'm no different in that regard.

I was emotionally and psychologically abused (words from a professional, not my own), as well as a little bit abused physically and possibly even sexually (subtly, not outright).

I've never murdered anyone. I have faith in God, a good husband, the best ever kids, and I'm a damn good mother. I delved deep into some painful things in order to grow into who I am now. And I'm honest about it. I try to help others from similar backgrounds.

My mother, my abuser, and my father, her enabler, have never murdered anyone ( to my knowledge ).

So, after all my prior talk about compassion and the need for understanding how people are shaped by their childhoods, I just want to say personal accountability is key.

There but for the grace of God, go I.

I think, given the right circumstances, any person is capable of murder. We don't want that to be true; we'd like a gap between "us" and "them". but the capacity for evil in the human mind/soul, is matched only by its capacity for greatness.

A person has to want to be "fixed". And that desire to be "fixed" is really just the desire to be better than we currently are. I don't think that desire is fired up in anyone simply by showing compassion and friendship to the depressed, suicidal, murderous individual. Your friend so sadly found this out.

Maybe it's done by showing them what they could be... hold up hope for them to take a good look at. Put goodness and beauty out into the world. Appeal to the good in people, even if there's only a tiny bit there, make them want to be a hero. Shine your light. Encourage them to see how great they can be, to not be "just human," but to be fully human.

I dunno. I'm just rambling here, but those are my thoughts.

Raspberrymama,
I appreciate this post and and know there are many people who can identify with what you went through. I have heard stories from friends and people I have worked with. It’s a greater problem than most people think.

I don’t think I gave enough thought to the point 10ofRods was making last night. I was in a hurry and when I start to think of what LS killing Gannon I get angry.

10ofRods said he was coming from the point of view of prevention. And that children must be loved and nurtured from birth to prevent them from growing into an abuser/murderer/ narcissist (take your pick). My personal opinion is a foundation of believing Gods Word, every Word to be true and parents teaching their children that. And I certainly don’t want to start a war with the posters now. That’s just my own personal belief. I agree that love and nurturing is the foundation every one of us needed from birth. Unfortunately, that is not what happens to a lot of people.

I agree with you it takes personal accountability.

And in the end, when a person makes the decision they are going to abuse/ murder/ torture another human being, I am not
interested in what made them do it, or getting them rehabilitated or feeling sorry for their childhood.

To me, you are a prime example of suffering abuse as a child and yet you made the decision to be a better person.

I do tend to believe anyone who could hurt another human being is evil and likely born that way. And maybe no amount of nurturing or love could have changed the outcome. It’s sad really.

Uh oh. Sorry about a double post. Don’t know what happened here.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Spencer Wilson reported that in addition to a small red Nissan, LS and crew had a moving van (part of which can be seen in the Cousin It video). Presumably, LS had already loaded her stuff into that van, along with Gannon. So there were two vehicles that drove off from Lorson Ranch that day (Jan 31 is when Spencer saw them).

Would love to know if she bought kitty litter at Petco.

Since I believe the murder was premeditated I bet she did. The AA didn’t tell us but we will find out at trial.

 

[Megnut]

I wonder if LE ever looked in the utility room on their walk through that night....

There's the $64,000 question, would Gannon have been in there? In a suitcase?

The neighbor's camera footage will give us a timeline, if she DID murder Gannon in his bedroom, for when she backed her car into the garage, to load it.

I wonder too, IF the murder happened at home, if she had help carrying a suitcase up the steps....

Who knows what story she'd sell.

JMO

 

[Megnut]

JMO but I'll bet anything she paid cash for extra items alongside the innocent items, and I'll bet THAT receipt is long gone.

I still want to know why she choose THAT Petco. Perhaps because it was a location she knew from memory.... she didn't have her phone to map it, after all.

JMO JMO

 

[floridamomma]

I am another one who needs to catch up, but it occurred to me...could the particle board have been under the mattress and she tossed it? Over the years we've had several kids beds that instead of a boxspring, a particle board supports the mattress...,

 

[Hatfield]

Gray Hughes goes into detail pointing out a “shadow” on the truck video when LS arrives home in RD’s video. I’ve watched several, this is the only one that explained it enough to create reasonable doubt for me.
I’m catching up. And just read your post.

JMO
For the theory that Gannon did make it home during the neighbor's video, this is a good explanation and video to help explain the "shadow" on the opposite side of the truck and why he may have gotten home afterall.

Its a short video and you can watch right from the beginning because he gets to explaining it soon beginning around 2:53 if you want to skip ahead to around there.

I see the shadow he is talking about and it is pretty convincing to me because it seems that nothing else should be making that small shadow.

Its not a lot to go on but it does add a little bit of evidence that maybe he did come home afterall.

Very interesting.

 

[LietKynes]

I agree with you it takes personal accountability.

And in the end, when a person makes the decision they are going to abuse/ murder/ torture another human being, I am not
interested in what made them do it, or getting them rehabilitated or feeling sorry for their childhood.

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bbm

That ^^^
What a pity valuable resources are wasted on monsters.
Resources that could be used to care for the mentally ill and homeless (vets and others ), struggling single parents, children who are essentially orphans but stuck in the foster care system, etc.

 

[10ofRods]

Somehow I've been envisioning a hard sided suitcase. I don't know why, because I only have soft-sided ones myself. Just one more reason it's nice to have this group to bounce ideas around with.

Something I'm pondering...
From a little reading, it seems blood volume (mostly plasma) returns to normal within a day or two, but red blood cells can take a few weeks to return to normal after significant blood loss. I'm curious to know if the blood found in Gannon's room could have been from more than a single incident. And therefore, it's not unlikely that he could walk to the truck Monday morning (assuming for the moment that the blood loss happened prior to that morning, and not all at once).

Can anyone speak to the reliability of blood stain age analysis? I know science is capable of determining the age of dried blood; how accurate is the data from this testing? IOW, would they be able to tell if separate instances of bleeding occurred - if those instances were just a few days apart?

I think it would be very difficult to figure out the age of layers of blood stains if someone had interfered with bleach or vinegar. Also, it would take very delicate evidence collection techniques. The droplets and their pattern themselves would tell whether there was one blow or more than one, and whether the blow involved the kind of spray we see in gunshots or that of bludgeoning.

Gannon's head was at the top of the bed, which was near a wall. If she stood to the side of the bed and hit him with a bat, her body would have affected the blood spatter to that side. If she pulled the bed out and stood in between the bed and the wall, investigators would see a person-shaped void in the blood spatter on the wall (and those blood markers don't seem to show that, although if she stood on the bed, that wouldn't happen - but is certainly really crazy). If she did bludgeon him in the afternoon in the bedroom, she had to strip down and wash off before Laina came home. Then she sends Laina outside while she does the rest of her clean-up.

If she moved that bed out in the morning (which some have said they can see in the AA pictures)...I don't know what to say. The span of the blood spatter is broad enough that there's no way Gannon was ambulatory after that event, IMO. But if she did move the bed, she was planning to kill him there in the morning, just didn't do it until afternoon.

All of this provides chilling insight into her mind. Did she have a few parallel plans for killing him and disposing of him? Certainly, she tried disposing his body out in northern CoS.

Did she think about killing him in his bedroom Monday morning, then change her mind and take him out for 4 hours (looking for a place to kill him, thinking about how to get away with it), then change her mind again? Back to Plan A? The entire "plan" involving the bedroom seems really poorly thought out, but she definitely planned it.

 

[BeckyF]

"Elephant in the room" refers to an obvious and difficult or unpleasant situation that people do not want to talk about.

So I think since discussing other people or family members is against the rules without something in MSM to back it up, we now have more information from the affidavit that allows us to speculate openly.

That's what I think the OP meant by there no longer being an elephant in the room.

In addition, the way Gannon was treated in the home may also have been the "elephant in the room" that people around him chose to ignore or avoid.

Imo

Thank you so much!

 

[10ofRods]

Snipped for focus
bbm

That ^^^
What a pity valuable resources are wasted on monsters.
Resources that could be used to care for the mentally ill and homeless (vets and others ), struggling single parents, children who are essentially orphans but stuck in the foster care system, etc.

First - hope you are doing well, LietKynes. Always good to read your posts.

I do understand why no one wants resources spent on monsters, but as @RaspberryMama said above, many more people are capable of violence than we realize. Many of these people are in fact mentally ill. I think LS is mentally ill. She's lucky to have that incredibly tight family or she probably would have been homeless at times in her life.

There are almost no resources for any of these people. Of the groups you listed, the foster orphans would be my priority, then the struggling single parents (and working poor). Having worked for years with homeless people (research was on a particular type of schizophrenia mostly found among the homeless, and as it was VA-funded research, we were looking for vets, and we tried our best to bribe them to come into special housing), I have no illusions about how to help them. As you can tell from my posts, mental illness is my special interest in true crime and elsewhere.

I wonder how much Colorado will spend on TS's trial and subsequent incarceration.

 

[NervousNellie]

I think it would be very difficult to figure out the age of layers of blood stains if someone had interfered with bleach or vinegar. Also, it would take very delicate evidence collection techniques. The droplets and their pattern themselves would tell whether there was one blow or more than one, and whether the blow involved the kind of spray we see in gunshots or that of bludgeoning.

Gannon's head was at the top of the bed, which was near a wall. If she stood to the side of the bed and hit him with a bat, her body would have affected the blood spatter to that side. If she pulled the bed out and stood in between the bed and the wall, investigators would see a person-shaped void in the blood spatter on the wall (and those blood markers don't seem to show that, although if she stood on the bed, that wouldn't happen - but is certainly really crazy). If she did bludgeon him in the afternoon in the bedroom, she had to strip down and wash off before Laina came home. Then she sends Laina outside while she does the rest of her clean-up.

If she moved that bed out in the morning (which some have said they can see in the AA pictures)...I don't know what to say. The span of the blood spatter is broad enough that there's no way Gannon was ambulatory after that event, IMO. But if she did move the bed, she was planning to kill him there in the morning, just didn't do it until afternoon.

All of this provides chilling insight into her mind. Did she have a few parallel plans for killing him and disposing of him? Certainly, she tried disposing his body out in northern CoS.

Did she think about killing him in his bedroom Monday morning, then change her mind and take him out for 4 hours (looking for a place to kill him, thinking about how to get away with it), then change her mind again? Back to Plan A? The entire "plan" involving the bedroom seems really poorly thought out, but she definitely planned it.

RBBM

Did she have a few parallel plans for killing and disposing of him? IMO, yes. We have seen evidence that she is incapable of making a plan/story and sticking to it. E.g., one minute she is googling how to make my husband love me, the next she is researching apartments in FL. So, yes, IMO, she had numerous (bad, IMO) ideas/plans, and ended up acting out in a rush because she couldn't stick to one before "go time." For whatever reason.

 

[Boxer]

The Tiguan was a hatchback, so pretty easy to pop open and put a body into it. Tiguan is outside of the garage earlier that day (up until 2:20 or so). Then she had to turn it around and back it into the garage, which she basically admits/refers to in her statements. It's interesting that LE does not mention video of that activity.

Good point. They didn't include. The discovery must be massive.

 

[HaikuMommy]

Spencer Wilson reported that in addition to a small red Nissan, LS and crew had a moving van (part of which can be seen in the Cousin It video). Presumably, LS had already loaded her stuff into that van, along with Gannon. So there were two vehicles that drove off from Lorson Ranch that day (Jan 31 is when Spencer saw them).

Would love to know if she bought kitty litter at Petco.

According to the AA, the rented Nissan Altima was tracked at the dump site at around 5pm on the 31st, which would be when LS picked up Gannon's body. The video with Spencer was uploaded by 3:41pm on the 31st. So Gannon's body would not have been in the moving van at the interview.

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

I haven't posted the Case Archive link for a while. Added a few articles.

Justice for Gannon:
Justice For Gannon by amanda reckonwith

Main Case Archive, Gannon Stauch:
Gannon Stauch -CO- by amanda reckonwith


edited to add,
(If you want to just skip to what's new)
This link takes you straight to anything new I add to the Archives( in all the cases I archive):
amanda reckonwith on Photobucket

 

[MassGuy]

JMO but I'll bet anything she paid cash for extra items alongside the innocent items, and I'll bet THAT receipt is long gone.

I still want to know why she choose THAT Petco. Perhaps because it was a location she knew from memory.... she didn't have her phone to map it, after all.

JMO JMO

Even if she did pay cash it would generate a record. They probably can figure out exactly what she purchased based on the time of the transaction/surveillance video.

 

[LietKynes]

JMO
For the theory that Gannon did make it home during the neighbor's video, this is a good explanation and video to help explain the "shadow" on the opposite side of the truck and why he may have gotten home afterall.

Its a short video and you can watch right from the beginning because he gets to explaining it soon beginning around 2:53 if you want to skip ahead to around there.

I see the shadow he is talking about and it is pretty convincing to me because it seems that nothing else should be making that small shadow.

Its not a lot to go on but it does add a little bit of evidence that maybe he did come home afterall.

Very interesting.

Thanks for this upload. ^^^

I'm thinking that if he exited the truck on his own which it appears that he could have --- then far from being too ill to walk he was actually recovering from an overdose, if she in fact drugged him.
So at this point he wasn't dying, he was recovering.
Which further angered her ?

What if she gave him anti-freeze or Benadryl or Ritalin, etc. and instead of dying in the truck like she'd hoped he started to improve and that sent the perp into an additional rage ?

 

[Lusitana]

If Gannon did come back home with her. I wonder why she took him and what happened to him during that time. Whatever happened, started inside the house. Could she have really hurt him enough to kill him but not immediately? What kind of injury would cause death but not immediate death?

 

[Teche]

When that happens to me, I delete all the text and then click the save button or choose delete draft. If you delete the text and "save" it before the next auto save it will stay gone. But I don't know how you keep it from happening.

This happens to me every single time.