Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #43

[MassGuy]

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The AA says “HH has refused to speak with investigators.” Not talking to law enforcement, is the very definition of “not being cooperative.”

To be clear, I’m not saying that she committed a crime. Law enforcement frequently says people are being cooperative, even if they are lying. It merely means they are communicating with law enforcement, and answering questions.

It does not mean they are telling the truth, or that law enforcement believes they are telling the truth. But for law enforcement’s purposes, they do say “they are cooperating.”

So at the time of the AA’s writing, HH was definitely not cooperating.

 

[RaspberryMama]

I've seen lots of photos of GS and Laina, and I've seen photos of HH and Tee together as well, but I don't think I've ever seen a photo where GS was with HH.

I'm concerned that there was a negative family dynamic in that household between step-siblings.

I have seen at least one photo of Gannon and HH together, looking happy. JMO

 

[MassGuy]

I wonder how much evidence was once in that moving van.

She has to have hidden it somewhere before acquiring the van. Could have been the rental car - but that only gets her to Wednesday afternoon. She must have put the bedding, etc., somewhere on Monday night, then moved it throughout Tues-Wed, then retrieved it on Friday with the van.

Which car was it that LE got tracking for? Was it the Nissan? I can't remember now.

Law enforcement used a chip in TS’ Volkswagen, and installed a tracking device on the rented Nissan (second rental car).

Both vehicles returned to the alleged dump site.

 

[HaikuMommy]

I just read an interesting article. I don't know if it's considered MSM though. But if you search for this: "letecia if it's someone they know usually they can be like 100 feet away phone call" ...you might find some food for thought. I think it gives insight into why Gannon was found in Florida.

 

[RaspberryMama]

The AA says “HH has refused to speak with investigators.” Not talking to law enforcement, is the very definition of “not being cooperative.”

To be clear, I’m not saying that she committed a crime. Law enforcement frequently says people are being cooperative, even if they are lying. It merely means they are communicating with law enforcement, and answering questions.

It does not mean they are telling the truth, or that law enforcement believes they are telling the truth. But for law enforcement’s purposes, they do say “they are cooperating.”

So at the time of the AA’s writing, HH was definitely not cooperating.

This was before LS was arrested. If a parent states that a minor child is not to be questioned, I think LE has to abide by that. I'll admit though, if that's the reason here, the AA would probably state HH was not cooperating due to a request from LS that they not question her.

 

[Ontario Mom]

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@sillybilly addressed this here on page 1 of this thread:

Normally WS does not allow discussion of minors. In this case however Tricia did say that members could speculate on whether someone helped or was somehow involved in having Gannon's body transported to Florida as long as they are referred to with INITIALS ONLY.

We are walking a fine line here. The fact that a judicial document has stated that HH is not cooperating is certainly relevant. You can speculate based on what is contained in the AA, but you may NOT insinuate that she is involved in the crime and you may not make direct accusations against her. (IOW, lots of "what ifs", "could it be that" "perhaps" etc, etc) . Just DO NOT accuse her of knowingly committing a crime.

For instance, maybe she did absolutely nothing wrong and is just not cooperating because she doesn't want to be responsible for her mother going to jail, or perhaps she is afraid upsetting her mother. Found Deceased - CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #43

At the time of the writing of the AA, nearly 6 weeks ago, TS's under-age daughter had not yet interviewed with LE but we do not know if that is still the case or not, or if she was even allowed to, as you suggest.

The "what ifs" and "could it be that" and "perhaps" that are mentioned here, have been going on for weeks now.

 

[sunflowerchick]

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The AA says “HH has refused to speak with investigators.” Not talking to law enforcement, is the very definition of “not being cooperative.”

To be clear, I’m not saying that she committed a crime. Law enforcement frequently says people are being cooperative, even if they are lying. It merely means they are communicating with law enforcement, and answering questions.

It does not mean they are telling the truth, or that law enforcement believes they are telling the truth. But for law enforcement’s purposes, they do say “they are cooperating.”

So at the time of the AA’s writing, HH was definitely not cooperating.

That is actually not true. I do have some first hand knowledge. I won't say how. HH is a minor. If HH's caregiver (whoever that is for now) refused to let HH talk to investigators, the AA would read the same way. That doesn't mean SHE is being uncooperative. Also, I don't think we can fault HH for not wanting to talk to LE. She has been put in a crappy situation by her mother. She has experienced trauma (not necessarily physical or by witnessing anything, just the sitation). She is likely in shock. She may need time. Hopefully she is working with a good therapist and will come around. In the meantime, I will continue to give her the benefit of the doubt. None of us know how we would react in her shoes

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[Cindizzi]

Very good points. I agree and bet you are correct that there are more videos that are just or even more important than the one we got to see from neighbor.

LE got access to all of the neighbor's videos from that whole day and there are probably more videos after the one we saw that are probably even more important. Also other neighbor videos may have been shared with LE as well.

It will be interesting during the trial what videos will be shown to the jury. And yes, we may find out that LE has a video of LS walking out to the vehicle with the suitcase herself.
That would be a done deal, end of story, case closed type of video.

Here are 4 pics taken on February 3rd of the crime lab unit at the home. The second one looks like a tech is getting photos of cameras across the street imo

Nicole Fierro on Twitter

 

[MassGuy]

This was before LS was arrested. If a parent states that a minor child is not to be questioned, I think LE has to abide by that. I'll admit though, if that's the reason here, the AA would probably state HH was not cooperating due to a request from LS that they not question her.

Exactly. They wouldn’t have been as harsh as they were. They wrote that as if it was her decision, and not one made for her.

Like I’ve said before though, I have every expectation that will change, if it has not changed already.

 

[sunflowerchick]

Exactly. They wouldn’t have been as harsh as they were. They wrote that as if it was her decision, and not one made for her.

Like I’ve said before though, I have every expectation that will change, if it has not changed already.

I didn't read the AA as "harsh" at all. It was clinical, presenting facts, as it should be.

So here is the thing: When a minor is questioned, a parent, caregiver or other representative would be present. If HH were questioned with someone sitting next to her giving her looks, squeezing her hand, etc. and she didn't answer as a result, they would still write the AA that way. I don't think we know what occurred and I don't think we can speculate about her reasoning.

 

[MassGuy]

I just read an interesting article. I don't know if it's considered MSM though. But if you search for this: "letecia if it's someone they know usually they can be like 100 feet away phone call" ...you might find some food for thought. I think it gives insight into why Gannon was found in Florida.

It’s not MSM, but it does provide a transcription of her phone conversation with another woman that DWAP aired.

It’s funny though, as she has already told LE about “Eduardo” at this point, yet she continues to present to entertain scenarios that could have occurred.

I expect that phone call to be used as evidence against her, although it may not be needed thanks to the many hours of phone calls that the wiretap picked up.

 

[MerryB]

bbm
Bingo. ^^^

Also, there was another person living in that household who wasn't a small child.
There are elements to this case that aren't being talked about.
I don't mean here at WS, but a wall of silence around the principle players in that household.

Yes TS is the only one charged with Gannon's murder; but other people in that house weren't completely oblivious until the day he was reported 'missing'.
There had to be warning signs; Imo.

Absolutely.

 

[Ontario Mom]

The AA says “HH has refused to speak with investigators.” Not talking to law enforcement, is the very definition of “not being cooperative.”

To be clear, I’m not saying that she committed a crime. Law enforcement frequently says people are being cooperative, even if they are lying. It merely means they are communicating with law enforcement, and answering questions.

It does not mean they are telling the truth, or that law enforcement believes they are telling the truth. But for law enforcement’s purposes, they do say “they are cooperating.”

So at the time of the AA’s writing, HH was definitely not cooperating.

Yes, at the time of the AA's writing, and I think that matters a lot.

Her mother hadn't been arrested for murdering her step-brother, yet.

Unless there's been some news, not a one of us here have a clue what kind of conversations have taken place since that time, nearly 6 weeks ago.

No two ways about it, I'm giving HH the benefit of the doubt.
Her mother is an evil murderer, her dad is dead, she just lost her entire family because of her mother, and total strangers on the internet are trashing her because of what her mother did, insinuating she must have known, or helped, or whatever.

AND, she has not been charged with so much as a parking ticket, and has never been identified by LE as even a person of interest.

I find all that, cruel and unfair.

I realize many disagree. That's fine.

jmo

 

[HaikuMommy]

It’s not MSM, but it does provide a transcription of her phone conversation with another woman that DWAP aired.

It’s funny though, as she has already told LE about “Eduardo” at this point, yet she continues to present to entertain scenarios that could have occurred.

I expect that phone call to be used as evidence against her, although it may not be needed thanks to the many hours of phone calls that the wiretap picked up.

Yes, I'd heard the phone call previously... didn't think we could discuss it here. I was using the "search for this cryptic line of text" method to stay within TOS. I find it most interesting she says LE told her in an interview that people who kidnap children run away with them "Go!" whereas if it was someone they knew, the child could be within 100 feet. Now that he's been found, that stands out. She took that info to heart...

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, I'd heard the phone call previously... didn't think we could discuss it here. I was using the "search for this cryptic line of text" method to stay within TOS. I find it most interesting she says LE told her in an interview that people who kidnap children run away with them "Go!" whereas if it was someone they knew, the child could be within 100 feet. Now that he's been found, that stands out. She took that info to heart...

You very well may be right. It’s impossible to know though, because it’s impossible to understand her reasoning for anything.

That phone interview was in fact allowed to be discussed here, so you’re good.

 

[MerryB]

I think the "candle video" was from Sunday night because you can hear TMZ in the background covering the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash, which happened January 26.jmo

Agree. LS basically admits in her text (I’ve seen some say it was to her landlord, others have referred to her as a friend) that after the candle incident she & Gannon were covered in blood. I’m paraphrasing, but essentially she says they were under a blanket because of the smoke, and when she removed the blanket, she saw the blood. She doesn’t indicate how it happened, but admits she was afraid she’d get “fussed at” about it. She then says something like “you don’t understand how hard it is to be a step-parent.” IMO this is the most honest statement we have seen from her.

Unfortunately, all it takes to set off this personality type is other people who have good relationships having them in front of the person like LS. They always feel excluded and not attended to, because they’re big babies with no ego strength or core sense of identity and if the focus of others isn’t filling their bucket, the world ends.

They feel left out because they don’t seek connection or mutual participation, they instead seek worship and attention. So, yes she probably felt resentful and left out because she’s a flaming anti-social narcissistic wonder who can’t be socially functional. MOO

Fear of abandonment is a huge trigger for people who suffer from Borderline PD.[/QUOTE]

 

[HaikuMommy]

You very well may be right. It’s impossible to know though, because it’s impossible to understand her reasoning for anything.

That phone interview was in fact allowed to be discussed here, so you’re good.

If you listen to her voice when she says that part about "they could be 100 feet away"... she sounds almost joyful. Like she's pleased, thinks she pulled a fast one. JMO

ETA: It's at around 43:30 in the phone call video on YT

 

[Inthedetails]

Looking at the affidavit (which I've been doing a lot!), paragraph 49 states:

"Investigators do not believe that [HH] was present when Gannon was killed. [HH] was at work on January 27, 2020 from 0830-1615 hrs, and investigators were able to verify this with her employer."
Letecia Stauch Arrest Affidavit

 

[MassGuy]

Yes, at the time of the AA's writing, and I think that matters a lot.

Her mother hadn't been arrested for murdering her step-brother, yet.

Unless there's been some news, not a one of us here have a clue what kind of conversations have taken place since that time, nearly 6 weeks ago.

No two ways about it, I'm giving HH the benefit of the doubt.
Her mother is an evil murderer, her dad is dead, she just lost her entire family because of her mother, and total strangers on the internet are trashing her because of what her mother did, insinuating she must have known, or helped, or whatever.

AND, she has not been charged with so much as a parking ticket, and has never been identified by LE as even a person of interest.

I find all that, cruel and unfair.

I realize many disagree. That's fine.

jmo

My position is this. I can understand not cooperating before TS’ arrest, although it does bother me.

If she does not cooperate now that her mom is behind bars, then I fully expect her to be legally compelled to cooperate.

The stakes are too high not to tell the truth, and help bring justice to the barbaric murderer of an innocent child.

I wouldn’t be surprised if TS tries to prevent this, and reaches out to HH over the phone from jail. TS is going to keep providing evidence to the prosecution, right up until trial.

She’s a giver in that way.

 

[MassGuy]

If you listen to her voice when she says that part about "they could be 100 feet away"... she sounds almost joyful. Like she's pleased, thinks she pulled a fast one. JMO

ETA: It's at around 43:30 in the phone call video on YT

Distance means innocence, or something.

That’s not how it works TS.