Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 **ARREST** #43

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My own thoughts on HH and the events around CO exit, based somewhat on what others have brought up here that make sense to me. She did the interview and then they drove back to the hotel in both vehicles. TS comes up with an excuse to go out later, needs to borrow aunt's rental quick. She gets GS, loads him in the back of the van, which no one will be checking inside again. On the 1st, aunt and HH fly out to SC, returning the car. TS is driving solo with the van.

In that scenario, HH would still not know anything other than her mother's narrative, and because the RD video comes out later, it'd make sense that they stick together up until that video release. After the video, TS has likely already dumped GS in FL and back in SC with HH. Maybe being out of CO made it difficult for investigators to even get ahold of HH, so her unwillingness to answer questions the first few days is a little more understandable. On one hand you want to help find your bro, on the other you have your crazy mom saying the blues are out to get *them*. In the weeks following the video until the arrest, maybe HH wasn't able to be contacted again, or she didn't have their number, or they just moved on and didn't feel the need to re-engage with her so the "uncooperative" aspect is just carried thru. Did LE have any idea where HH was for the few weeks after they left CO?

Anyway, that's all I can come up with and still not get too riled about the wording in the AA about HH. I feel less inclined to defend her knowing she didn't actively help LE early in during the investigation. Of course, after the video was out, the weeks of SM discussions/news stories, and after the arrest of her mother, if her stance was to still not talk to LE about anything then I'd feel even less sympathetic towards her. But there's also a chance that LE and HH never even crossed paths again after the 31st.
bbm

First bolding : Your guess is as good as mine.
I'm thinking with the aunt who was there helping TS move after the Spencer/ Cousin Itt interview ?
I don't know how close the family of TS is but it looks like they've circled the wagons to defend TS; so there's that.

Second bolded : Agreed. Not sure why but either out of fear... or the apple falling too close to the tree ?

Here's another thought.... IF TS' family have any criminal records at all, or a general distrust of LE -- they may have threatened HH to be silent. It wouldn't be unheard of.
Some people have continued run-ins with LE and as a result teach their children to be distrustful of LE.

We don't know this but we can speculate.
Imo.
 
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I think they want her to cooperate. It would be better for HH if she did cooperate, as opposed to them having to charge her with something. I'm sure there's been and will be plenty of interviewing going on in South Carolina, if that's where the moving van ended up.

Certainly, LE will want to know from HH what the trip between CO and SC was like and whether LS had opportunity to dispose of evidence along the route. What she said and did throughout.

If a murder took place on the sidewalk outside my house, the police would make it very hard for the occupants of my house not to give a full account of what they saw or didn't see. It's just the way it is. A murder pulls people into legal entanglements that they'd prefer not to be in, even if they had nothing to do with it.

In this case, HH drove cross country with both the victim's body and the murderer. There may have been a parting of ways before Florida. One WSer gave us a map of the places in the AA and it looks like the party may have broken into two parts.

She will have to take the stand. It's better for her to cooperate now. LS's decisions have forced an end to HH's childhood.

In any case, even if HH is never charged with anything and had no knowledge of why her mom was buying cleaning products and trash bags and renting cars and acting weird on the day and day after Gannon disappeared, she is still going to be subpoenaed and appear at trial. Under oath.

IMO.

I have faith that she's realized covering for her mother's violent behavior isn't worth destroying her own life. I really feel for her. Kids who are raised by narcissistic nutjobs like T often assume a caretaker role themselves and feel responsible for taking care of their parents.
 
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Yes, at the time of the AA's writing, and I think that matters a lot.

Her mother hadn't been arrested for murdering her step-brother, yet.

Unless there's been some news, not a one of us here have a clue what kind of conversations have taken place since that time, nearly 6 weeks ago.

No two ways about it, I'm giving HH the benefit of the doubt.
Her mother is an evil murderer, her dad is dead, she just lost her entire family because of her mother, and total strangers on the internet are trashing her because of what her mother did, insinuating she must have known, or helped, or whatever.

AND, she has not been charged with so much as a parking ticket, and has never been identified by LE as even a person of interest.

I find all that, cruel and unfair.

I realize many disagree. That's fine.

jmo
bbm
Totally agree with the bolded. ^^^
And thanks for pointing out that we can 'agree to disagree'.

<modsnip: Discussing other members is not allowed.>

(Edit : We can discuss the AA; which is not sleuthing.Thanks, OP)

The AA gave us a lot to post about and Gannon's murder while it happened in one horrifying instance over several minutes or longer, did not happen 'out of the blue' and everyone in that household was shocked.

TS had to have been displaying her nastiness and ugly behavior for some time and it had to have been witnessed by those who lived there.
So why not just cooperate ?
We may never know.
Sadly.

I'm not referring to your post, OM. :)
All is good.
 
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Agree. LS basically admits in her text (I’ve seen some say it was to her landlord, others have referred to her as a friend) that after the candle incident she & Gannon were covered in blood. I’m paraphrasing, but essentially she says they were under a blanket because of the smoke, and when she removed the blanket, she saw the blood. She doesn’t indicate how it happened, but admits she was afraid she’d get “fussed at” about it. She then says something like “you don’t understand how hard it is to be a step-parent.” IMO this is the most honest statement we have seen from her.

BBM

I think that text was sent to an investigator. It’s weird that it says Nicole (owner) as the recipient. Some folks thinks it’s owner of the house.Some think it’s a friend because it has a persons first name. But if you look at the AA #133 it says “Leticia made statements to investigators via text.. “
paraphrasing IMO.
 

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There are so many things not mentioned in the affidavit and I realize that all LE knows and has as evidence is not included nor does it have to be, but a few things I can't stop thinking about:

Per interview with Crime Online, Letecia states that she did call nurse line to ask about whatever medicine she was going to give him and also admits to asking "how much is too much?" What an odd question, whether she actually talked to a nurse or not I guess is unknown. Hopefully they have some type of call log to show if she did make that call.

Letecia saying the Gannon pooped his pants. If he did actually poo himself, poor child, wouldn't there have been something on the truck seat? I think if you lose control of your bowels it's not usually because it's solid stool but diarrhea. I am not positive anything she said was totally the truth but these are just things I keep wondering about.

The trips to Petco, I believe there was a reason, not just to buy dog coats, that she intentionally went to the store not closest to her home. Why this was something that needed to be done with a sick child in the back seat and why leave that sick child for 30 min or more while she shopped. Not to mention the odd looking out the door repeatedly...was she waiting for someone to snatch Gannon, or making sure he wasn't out of the truck....IDK but I believe she had some sort of sinister plan before she left the house with Gannon. Why did she return to Petco? Was she again waiting for something to happen or what? It's just to bizarre to not take into consideration as more than just a shopping trip.

Leaving her phone at home and using Gannons, was she planning on ditching him out somewhere and trying to make it look like someone took him or that he ran away and she was actually looking for him off 105/S Perry Pkwy or Castlerock? Maybe she hoped that she gave him enough of whatever medicine to kill him and then she could dump him but it didn't happen he didn't die and she couldn't figure out the phone situation. Also with her phone being off and locked, no calls would have been able to come through or show up so maybe she thought by leaving hers at home and only taking his along with trying to make it look like he was using it would prove she had nothing to do with it if he disappeared.

Boggles my mind for sure, and although I am not LE, Psychic etc. I think everything on the 27th of January had a function in her ultimate goal of getting rid of Gannon. Why it didn't play out a certain way who knows, but it's not really logical to murder someone in your home vs out in the country where the violence and crime would not be so apparent. I'm pretty sure there is no logical murder or murder so trying to make sense of the senseless is not an easy task.

Sorry for being all over the place but I feel there was a point to everything (lie, half truth) she said so I cannot discount all of the other things I have heard and read besides the affidavit and AW.

Would love to slip her so sodium pentothal and be a fly on the jailhouse wall!
I realize I am replying to my own post lol but something else that came to me, and it's regarding Letecia stating that Gannon had an "accident" in his pants....Is it possible that she did try to overdose him and knowing that they would discover a lot of whatever medication at autopsy, she was trying to lay groundwork for an excuse as to possibly why he would so much of such and such med in his system? "oh he went in his pants so I had to give him more med" What do y'all think???
 
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I think they want her to cooperate. It would be better for HH if she did cooperate, as opposed to them having to charge her with something. I'm sure there's been and will be plenty of interviewing going on in South Carolina, if that's where the moving van ended up.

Certainly, LE will want to know from HH what the trip between CO and SC was like and whether LS had opportunity to dispose of evidence along the route. What she said and did throughout.

If a murder took place on the sidewalk outside my house, the police would make it very hard for the occupants of my house not to give a full account of what they saw or didn't see. It's just the way it is. A murder pulls people into legal entanglements that they'd prefer not to be in, even if they had nothing to do with it.

In this case, HH drove cross country with both the victim's body and the murderer. There may have been a parting of ways before Florida. One WSer gave us a map of the places in the AA and it looks like the party may have broken into two parts.

She will have to take the stand. It's better for her to cooperate now. LS's decisions have forced an end to HH's childhood.

In any case, even if HH is never charged with anything and had no knowledge of why her mom was buying cleaning products and trash bags and renting cars and acting weird on the day and day after Gannon disappeared, she is still going to be subpoenaed and appear at trial. Under oath.

IMO.
Do we know if HH rode to SC with LS? Someone else posted that HH flew back with her aunt. This would be interesting to find out. I know LE was asking if anyone in Pace, FL had seen someone fitting LS description between Feb 3 - 5. They did not ask about anyone seeing someone fitting HH or other family members descriptions.
 
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If you listen to her voice when she says that part about "they could be 100 feet away"... she sounds almost joyful. Like she's pleased, thinks she pulled a fast one. JMO

ETA: It's at around 43:30 in the phone call video on YT
She sounds pretty excited when she asks the caller “ Did you see another boy is missing in Colorado Springs ?”
In her mind, that news would help her story of runaway/missing. I hope the BAU gleaned lots about LS in that phone call. Evil liar. JMO
 
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DBM
 
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Replying to myself to add: the arrest affidavit does mention HH picked up TS at various locations and ran an errand. I have opinions about that, but not sure it's appropriate to voice them considering HH is a minor and not a named suspect in any crime.

But it has been established that HH provided taxi and errand service in the days following the murder, and that is detailed in the affidavit.

jmo

jmo
IMO she should have wondered herself why her mother wasn’t distraught or searching for Gannon. Curious how this piece plays out. A victim, but a victim that can see what is right.
 
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Do we know if HH rode to SC with LS? Someone else posted that HH flew back with her aunt. This would be interesting to find out. I know LE was asking if anyone in Pace, FL had seen someone fitting LS description between Feb 3 - 5. They did not ask about anyone seeing someone fitting HH or other family members descriptions.
Yes, that would be interesting to know. There were 2 vehicles that left. HH, an "aunt", and LS in one vehicle. The van contained the other "aunt?" and a man. Even if HH and the 2 "aunts" flew to SC, there were still 2 vehicles. LS could have changed drivers and drove the van while the man drove the car and parted ways later. It's entirely possible.
 
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Law enforcement used a chip in TS’ Volkswagen, and installed a tracking device on the rented Nissan (second rental car).

Both vehicles returned to the alleged dump site.

Then, I'm thinking that the missing evidence went into that moving van. I really have a hard time believing that no one noticed what LS did with the blankets, pillows, etc.

Did they take that second Nissan all the way to Florida and then on to SC? I thought that some relative of LS's turned up with a car from SC or something like that.

I would hate to be in charge of the maps and visuals for trial. Just the driving around Colorado Springs, alone, is confusing. Like the inside of LS's brain.
 
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Yes, that would be interesting to know. There were 2 vehicles that left. HH, an "aunt", and LS in one vehicle. The van contained the other "aunt?" and a man. Even if HH and the 2 "aunts" flew to SC, there were still 2 vehicles. LS could have changed drivers and drove the van while the man drove the car and parted ways later. It's entirely possible.

I will bet quite a bit that they all drove. We can't sleuth them, but let's just say that they weren't completely off of social media during that time period.

What I'd like to know is if that young man from CoS (the one that reporter Spencer Wells mentioned, so we can at least mention he exists - his name is in the affadavit, I believe) went to SC and whether he is still there.
 
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JMO
About the possible weapon she maybe used on Sunday night when she first got mad at him.

Im thinking it was a hockey stick?

Didnt she take some hockey equipment to Play it Again sports to try to sell it to get some money from it? I think she was maybe taking the hockey stick and other hockey equipment to get rid of the weapon she may have used.

The bottom blade of a hockey stick is usually rough surface like fiberglass to help the stick get more grip and control on a hockey puck.
It could easily cut a persons face or skin if the blade of the stick hits a person.

In hockey, there is a 5 minute major penalty when an accidental stick ends up hitting another player and drawing blood.

Just a theory I have been wondering about with the first injury.
Interesting. That sounds pretty close to my thoughts about a month ago. Hockey and play it again sports. She mentioned both.
 
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Yes, thank you @Cindizzi . She also admits that she (however briefly) considered taking him to a doctor.
I’m surprised she admitted all this to an investigator. While it may not all be true, I do think she was being uncharacteristically honest about becoming upset, realizing she inflicted injury, seeing blood, and realizing she’d gone to far. She knew he probably needed medical attention, but ultimately decided it wasn’t worth the risk of getting in trouble. In her warped logic, murder was the way she could avoid CPS from becoming involved.
She admitted that in the statement you were so kind to include from the AA.
 

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I will bet quite a bit that they all drove. We can't sleuth them, but let's just say that they weren't completely off of social media during that time period.

What I'd like to know is if that young man from CoS (the one that reporter Spencer Wells mentioned, so we can at least mention he exists - his name is in the affadavit, I believe) went to SC and whether he is still there.
I completely agree. I was giving another alternative. I won't bet you because I would be betting against myself. I also believe they remained together. As my previous posts indicate, I have always had an interest in that man. Almost to an obsession.
 
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A couple things:
1. HH is a minor. Not talking to LE is different than "not being cooperative" IMO. In fact, her current caregiver (whoever that is) may have refused to allow her to answer questions for HER protection. She is likely experiencing some trauma over the whole situation. IMO
2. Are we allowed to sleuth HH because some of this stuff seems to be crossing a line.
There was a post a few pages ago by admin about the discussion of HH in regards to the arrest affidavit. I can't find it right now but basically use caution.
 
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Does anyone have a theory about why LS was googling about a humidifier several times?

Theory------>Because she's an evil moron! ;)

On the serious side, maybe she thought the humidifier could dry things (like blood & bodily fluids) out or help control odor similar to a fan. Technically a humidifier controls moisture in the air by adding water vapor to the air, so therefore if she thought one would help in some way, she's an idiot. She was confusing it with a dehumidifier. Their house had a whole house humidifier as many do in Colorado because it's so dry here. LS was looking to see if it could help her clean up the mess & evidence she'd created!

MOO
 
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It looks like the family house is no longer available to rent....

I wonder if that means someone rented it or the owners just pulled the listing. What a terrible situation all around.

TS has a magic way of ruining things.

JMO
 
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Authorities continue search for missing boy near Fountain - KRDO
This articles says that there were two police officers in an unmarked car and a patrol officer watching the house on Thursday. Two men and a woman came out and got into a pick-up truck and left. When they left the unmarked police and the patrol car left also.
Has it ever been established who the three people were, especially the men?

If I'm not mistaken, it was AS, another man (his brother?) and his mother. If you look back in the media archives by @AmandaReckonwith at the beginning of this thread you can find it. It's in picture stills that were taken from a news report.
 
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Interesting. That sounds pretty close to my thoughts about a month ago. Hockey and play it again sports. She mentioned both.
Sorry this is a duplicate post and I can't figure out how to delete it. ‍♀️
 
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